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I Honor the Old Testament

Posted by Bob on December 2nd, 2004 under Religion


Oddly enough, I do.

The Old Testament to me is one of the attempts to understand God before Christ.

It is on the same level as the Avesta of the Zoroastrians. It is on the same level as my ancestors’ One-Eyed God, the Father God Odin who sought knowledge and simple truth instead of a childish Oriental Wisdom.

I have read the Old Testament, and I honor it.

One thing that really impresses me about the Old Testament is the fact that those who wrote it are absolutely unidentifiable, as Mark Twain pointed out. There is no ego in it. They speak of Jehovah, they speak of prophets, but they never speak of themselves. Their only interest is the truth as they see it.

The Old Testament is **A** version of the truth before Jesus gave us a little glimpse of the Father.

If you think the Old Testament is **THE** exclusive Word of God, then I am denigrating it.

But if you understand that, to me, there is only one Testament, and that is only a partial one, you can see why I resent those who put the Old Testament down for its imperfections. I am a Bible Belter, and I respect the Bible.

The Old Testament is the book I was raised on. I honor it, I do not like it to be insulted. Nonetheless, the Old Testament is not THE Revelation.

I am 99% atheist. But the mustard seed of my faith is in Jesus.

There is only one simple truth, the facts for which my Father God Odin suffered on the world tree Yggsdradil.

That is myth but it is the myth our lives are now based on. It tells us how the real fathers of our civilization thought.

Also, if there is a Final Revelation, there is only one: The one for which Jesus Christ died on the cross.

But if you believe in the the one Revelation, don’t try to drag the whole Middle East in with it.

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  1. #1 by JC on 12/02/2004 - 8:44 pm

    Bob, from reading your blog and articles, I think I get a good feeling for your belief structure. Or, maybe not. But, you make a lot of comments about your faith in “Jesus”. You seem to have a problem with “Jehovah”, though. Question: Is “Jesus” “Jehovah”? Like in the “Trinity”? Personally, I don’t have much use for the “Trinity”. It explains absolutely nothing to our pathetic intellect. But, I get the feeling that, for you, “Jesus” = good, loving, while “Jehovah” = cruel, sadistic bastard that likes to torture humans. That somehow, the Creator had one standard for his children under the old testament but completely changed that with the new testament. If so, would you enlighten me on these two verses: The prophet Malachi wrote, “For I, Jehovah, change not . . .” (3:6). And in Hebrews 13:8, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yea and forever.” Because, to me, that implies that nothing changed, other than the law of ordinances (meaning the sacrificial rituals). And that didn’t really change. It just substituted a permanent blood sacrifice of a “lamb” for a periodic one of another kind of lamb. Not that I care what you believe about things none of use know anything about…. In fact, I still think Jehovah enjoys torturing humans! Seems to enjoy doing it to me!

  2. #2 by Mike on 12/02/2004 - 9:29 pm

    I believe the real revelation, and the event to celebrate, occurred when he rose from from the dead, proving that he was from God, and that his message was from God. If we heeded his message, their would be no conflict in the Middle East.

  3. #3 by Bob Whitaker on 12/03/2004 - 4:17 pm

    JC, I don’t care what the Prophet Malachi wrote about his Jehovah. I have said that so many times I get tired of repeating it.

    Are you saying that somewhere in the seven hundred thousand words of the Old Testament there are some words about Jehovah that sound like words that are in the New Testament about Jesus Christ?

    Big deal!

  4. #4 by JC on 12/03/2004 - 6:16 pm

    What are you saying? Say what you mean. What relationship do you see between “Jehovah” and “Jesus”? Any? None? Is one a mindless superstition while the other isn’t? Keep in mind that “Jesus” and Jehovah” aren’t/weren’t their names, but for the sake of discussion we’ll use them. OK?

  5. #5 by Mike on 12/03/2004 - 8:41 pm

    Hey Bob, I don’t normally paste things on blogs but your “respect” for the “old testament” requires it:

    In case it seems too incredible and vile to the reader that there could be HUMAN parasites, let me present, from the works of the Jews themselves, their OWN official description of the process.

    The earliest and most complete record of Jewish methods can be found in almost any home in America, right under the noses of non-Jews, who have actually been taught to worship the very parasites who are eating them alive.

    In the Old Testament, we can read the story of a typical Jewish operation in any nation they invade.

    Jews almost always come to a new nation as hapless “refugees,” or prisoners and slaves (having had difficulties with their previous hosts).

    So it was in ancient Egypt.

    A Jew named Joseph was out tending sheep. His brothers were at first going to kill him for his “coat-of-many-colors,” and threw him into a pit. (Genesis, 37). But then some Midianite slave traders happened along, and we learn in verses 26 and 27 that these Jews decided it was wasteful just to kill their brother, when they could SELL him for a profit.

    So his own Jewish brothers sold Joseph as a slave for twenty pieces of silver, and Joseph wound up an Egyptian slave.

    In Genesis 39:6, we find Joseph doing such a good job of running an Egyptian household as a slave that the master makes him the “overseer.” In verse 6, the Jewish slave has become so indespensible to the Egyptian master that Joseph is made the boss of the entire Egyptian household.

    But Joseph gets in difficulty with the Egyptian’s wife. She claims he tried to rape her. Joseph claims, innocently, that she tried to rape him. (Genesis 39:12)

    Joseph is tossed into prison, where he repeats the pattern: he becomes so invaluable to the prison administration with his clever business suggestions that he becomes boss of the prison! (Genesis 39:22)

    In this choice spot, he becomes a confidant of Pharaoh’s butler, who is in jail. Joseph cleverly interprets dreams for him.

    Pharaoh later reinstates his butler, and has a dream he can’t interpret. The butler suggests Joseph. Pharaoh has Joseph brought before him, and tells Joseph about seven fat beeves, and seven thin ones. The wily Jew tells Pharoah this means Egypt will have seven years of plenty and seven years of famine. (For centuries, in the Nile valley, there were huge floods and then periods of drought, so that “lean years” were absolutely certain to follow “fat” years, and vice versa.)

    But young Pharaoh is so impressed with Joseph that he asks Joseph what to do about it. The clever Hebrew replies that Pharaoh must find a man smart enough to gather up huge stores of Egyptian grain during the next seven years. “Surprisingly” enough, Pharaoh picks Joseph as that man, and in Chapter 41, verse 30 of Genesis, Pharaoh turns all Egypt over to his new Jewish “friend.” Joseph becomes the “Bernard Baruch” of Egypt, with Pharaoh ordering “without thee no man shall lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.”

    Joseph duly gathers up and stores the grain produced by Egyptian labor, in vast amounts.

    When Egypt is drought-stricken, and the Egyptians are starving for food, Joseph begins to sell their own grain back to the Egyptians. (Genesis 41:56)

    The same rotten Jews who sold Joseph into slavery now come over from Canaan to buy some Egyptian grain. Joseph, who is selling the grain to the Egyptians, gives grain to his fellow Jews. In fact, he gives the Jews a double order of grain on their second trip, and Egyptian gold in the bags to boot! (Genesis 44:1)

    Then he kicks all the Egyptians out of his office, and tells his Jewish brothers to bring all the Jews over to live free off the Egyptian grain. (Genesis 45:1, 10, 11)

    Meanwhile, Joseph is selling back their own grain to the Egyptian farmers who produced it. The king is tickled to death, as the treasury bulges. So Joseph tells the king his brothers and families are on the way, and the king promises Joseph that the Jews will live on “the fat of the land.” (Genesis 45:18)

    From the money being paid by the Egyptian farmers to buy their own grain back, Joseph gives all the Jews wagons, equipment, furniture and doles out 300 pieces of Egyptian silver to all these Jews! (Genesis 45:16, 22)

    Next, Genesis 46 describes how a whole ARMY of Jews moves into Egypt, with who “begat” who and all the children and “childrens’ children,” etc. Joseph tells his fellow Jews to lie to the king that they are not shepherds (which he knows might aggravate the king). Instead, the Jews all get free Egyptian cattle and land, the best in Egypt. (Genesis 46:34). Not one of these Jews has done a lick of work to produce the wealth they are grabbing. (A familiar parasitic pattern)

    Genesis 47, verse 14 reveals that Joseph, Egypt’s Jewish boss, has “gathered up all the money” of the Egyptians, selling them grain.

    As a result, in verse 15, we discover that the “money of Egypt fails”!

    A depression!

    The starving Egyptians plead with Joseph to let them have a little grain because their money is all gone. Joseph tells them, in typical hock-shop Jewish style, that they still have their cattle! So the Jew takes the Egyptian farmers’ cattle. (Genesis 47:16)

    The next year, the starving Egyptians again beg for grain. But the Jewish keeper of the granaries (filled by Egyptian work) tells them that they will have to give up their land too! To survive, the people have to give this Jew their land in the name of the Pharaoh (verse 20). Joseph then puts them all into “concentration areas” – cities, taking them off their own land! (verse 21) When the Egyptians are finally reduced to utter despair, starving, without their money, without their land and without their cattle, Joseph puts them back on their own land as SHARE-CROPPERS, at 20% profit! (verse 24)

    Understandibly, since Joseph is running the affairs of the Egyptian, the Egyptians are poor, working like slaves and hungry.

    But, meanwhile, the hordes of Jews he has brought are getting “rich and fat” (verse 27) living off the “fat of the land” – WITHOUT WORK!

    Sound familiar?

    After 80 years of this process, the Jews have almost everything and the Egyptians are all slaving for the Jews! (The story doesn’t mention what the Egyptians think of the arrangement, but it isn’t hard to imagine.)

    In the Jews’ own book of Exodus, we next find Joseph dying and the Egyptians trying to find some way of getting the Jews off their backs. In Exodus I, there are some verses worth repeating whole:

    7. And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied and waxed exceedingly mighty, and the land was filled with them.

    8. Now there rose up a king who knew not Joseph. (An anti-semite no doubt.)

    9. And he said unto his people “Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we! (Take a look at New York City, Los Angeles, etc!)

    10. Come on, let us deal wisely with them, lest they multiply, lest it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies… (As traitors, spies)

    (Remember the Rosenbergs, Sobels, Greenglasses, Golds, Moskowitzes, Silvermasters, etc., etc., etc., who “joined also unto our (Communist) enemies?)

    Observe here the classic pattern.

    The Jew arrives in rags and tatters and terrible misery because of the actions of his own people. (Not Gentiles, but his own Jewish brothers sold Joseph into slavery.)

    The host people are relatively easygoing, and soon recognize the undeniable clever business manipulations of the Jew. (Joseph becomes boss of the household where he was a slave.)

    The Jew begins to push. (Joseph is accused of getting “fresh” with the wife of his master, who sends him to jail.)

    In spite of adversity however (jail), the Jew prospers because of the same old Jewish ability to manage and manipulate. (Joseph becomes boss of the jail.)

    Using his wits, the Jew reaches the highest positions of power. (Joseph becomes the “executive officer” under Pharaoh, and actually runs Egypt.)

    Abusing every leverage of the high office of power, the Jew begins to gather up not just the money and the power, but all the money and all the power which he turns over to more and more Jews. He becomes so greedy and rapacious that he smashes the whole economy. (Joseph grabs up so much money from the Egyptians that the “money fails.”)

    In the following “depression” the Jew gathers up all the material wealth of the land. (Joseph did exactly this, giving his fellow Jews “the fat of the land.”)

    Once the Jew owns and controls everything, he proceeds to make financial slaves out of the native population. (Joseph sent the farmers back to their own land as share-croppers, producing 20% profit!)

    Inevitably, this process produces such a horror of Jewish power and wealth and such misery for the native population, that the host people become “anti-semites” and the Jews begin to look around for another country to which they can flee. THEY BECOME SPIES, etc. (The king of Egypt warns his own people that the Jews are more powerful than the Egyptians in their own land, and that the Jews are likely to be traitors. He first tries to make the Jews work as slaves.)

    The next and last step is for the native population to try to hold the Jews back somehow. (The king orders infanticide for all newborn male Jews.) When these less radical methods won’t work, the native populations rise up and either kill the Jews or drive them out. (Moses led the Jews out of Egypt only yards ahead of the king’s armies)

    That Jewish pattern was established in writing more than four thousand years ago – by the Jews themselves. You can check every word of it in any Bible.

    GEORGE LINCOLN ROCKWELL

  6. #6 by Ralph Jones on 12/04/2004 - 6:28 am

    The entire message of the New Testament is keeping out of Hell. Actually, there was no Hell till Jesus invented it, assuming of course that Mark did not put his words in Jesus’ mouth. So thanks, Jesus, for inventing Hell and, provided we are willing to accept what you say on your so, to give us an escape hatch. The plain historical, and continuing, fact is that Hell is not a burning issue for the Jews.

  7. #7 by Bob Whitaker on 12/04/2004 - 6:37 pm

    JC, if you will read what I keep saying, I use the term JHWH for Jehovah over and over and over and over and over. I have known since my Bible Belt childhood that Hebrew script had no vowels.

    And Jesus was “Joshua.”

    You are teaching your grandmother to suck eggs.

    And the Apostles did not call Him Jesus “Christ.”

    Saint Paul was a master propagandist. He used the term “christos” to appeal to the GREEK Jews, who became the Christian Church. He used the name “Jesus” because he saw it as a great advantage over saying “that particular Joshua.”

    If there is a special relationship between Jehovah, JHWH or whatever and Jesus, then I am not a Christian.

    Are we clear now?

  8. #8 by Bob Whitaker on 12/04/2004 - 8:55 pm

    JC, your comment is the first one I have ever deleted that an actual reader wrote.

    It was nasty and indecent.

  9. #9 by JC on 12/04/2004 - 11:10 pm

    Sorry if you felt that way. But, you didn’t address the issue. And you never will face up to your mental and spiritual contradiction. Like Diogenes, I’m looking for an honest man. You didn’t make it. I won’t waste anymore of your time. Or mine. Good luck and best wishes in awakening brain dead White men.

  10. #10 by Bob Whitaker on 12/05/2004 - 8:45 pm

    JC, you feel very stongly about your beliefs. You blow your top when you are contradicted.

    And even as you tell me goodbye, you never forget for a moment what the battle is about.

    If you ever want to come back to us, you are more than welcome.

  11. #11 by Richard L. Hardison on 12/09/2004 - 10:32 pm

    Rockwell sure could misquote the OT.

    YHWH, or JHWH, if you use the German form, is usually reconized as the “Father” of the NT. The word Jehovah simply borrows from the Masoraetic text vowel points to add the vowels. The two major semitic languages in use today, Hebrew and Arabic, do not have consonants. The “Angel of The Lord” in the OT is usually reconized as the preincarnate Christ.

    I disagree with Bob as, after long study, I agree with the above. I’m not sure if you can be a Christian and disagree with that. I am, however, very quick to add that the word “heresy” is bandied about far too much. A heretic is a person who sincerely holds a belief that separates one from saving grace. I’m not sure Bob’s belief falls in that category.

    Paul certainly was a masterful preacher. The Greek word Cristos, is the closest Greek word for the Hebrew Messiah – anointed one (Jesus, or Iesous, in Greek, was another such translation of Yeshua, or Joshua). Paul spent most of his minstry in the Greek speaking world, so concepts had to translated somehow.

    Actually, there was a hell before Christ. Tartarus was the place of torments in the Jewish religion. The concept of “hades” in Greek was used by Paul to convey the concept to the gentile world.

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