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She’s Still IN There!

Posted by Bob on March 21st, 2005 under How Things Work

“Pro-lifers” are ecstatic. They say that the brain dead woman they are fighting for is able to make some signs to people.

Others disagree.

Meanwhile, they are hogging all the time and money and publicity the father of that little murdered girl in Florida needs.

Somebody told me, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

So if I were lying there, unable to breathe on my own but able to make some signs, what would I want?

Her husband says that she told him she’s rather be dead.

But all life is precious, you see. As a priest told me, the last agonies of a person dying from spinal cancer should be prolonged as long as possible because all life is infinitely precious.

Pain, he told me, means nothing.

Life, he said, is Infinitely Precious.

I saw a movie about a young Briton who visited his father in the hospital. His father had been wounded in World War I, which was still going on. The doctors told him that his father had had his face blown off. He had no eyes, he had no hearing.

His spinal cord was severed.

His father could not move or communicate, but he was alive. The young man’s father was still there, but he was unable to know anything that went on around him. He was alone in a way you and I can never understand.

He would be that way for as long as medicine could keep him that way.

The son should have shouted, “Hosannah in the Highest! My father has Infinitely Precious Life!”

His son’s reaction was utterly at odds with what is now called a “Truly Christian” reaction. His son was so horrified he chose to be arrested rather than join the military.

His son decided that nothing could be worse than being in the condition his father was in.

President Bush says, “One should always err on the side of life.”

According to Right-to-Life, that son was evil. Instead of taking the Pope’s position that life was infinitely precious, no matter how horrible, the son decided he would far, far rather die than be in his father’s position.

He wanted to treat his father as he would want to be treated.

Someday I will face God. When that Day comes, I pity the Pro-lifers.

  1. #1 by Don on 03/21/2005 - 4:10 pm

    RE: Pro-lifers” are ecstatic. They say that the brain dead woman they are fighting for is able to make some signs to people.

    These “Pro-lifers” have proved one important point.

    One can survive, walk around, and talk with a brain which is so marginally capable of simple coherent reasoning as to astonish those with a modicum of common sense.

    The next step is for them to get a Ph.D and become a practicing social scientest.

  2. #2 by Bob Whitaker on 03/21/2005 - 4:41 pm

    I thought no one could be crueler than to leave a person in a vegetative state.

    I was wrong.

    Don wants to make her into a Harvard professor.

    Torquemada would have been proud.

  3. #3 by Don on 03/21/2005 - 5:40 pm

    RE: Don wants to make her into a Harvard professor.

    Actually, I had in mind the “Pro-lifers” for Harvard. Their dysfunctional brains would seem to supremely qualify them.

    The poor woman who is their victim is probably no longer able to endlessly repeat stupid mantras, which means that tenure at Harvard is beyond her grasp.

  4. #4 by Bedford on 03/21/2005 - 7:22 pm

    There are probably thousands of cases like this one around the country, but this one has been found by the media. She doesn’t have a living will and her husband is not likely concerned with her life. It should have been left to the parents in this case. The husband may be responsible for her condition – he is a registered nurse. I wonder how many people have a “good” death versus a terrible suffering death? I am afraid the statistics may be with the latter.

  5. #5 by willing on 03/22/2005 - 1:40 am

    These “pro-lifers” are quite inconsistent in the application of their morality.Each and every one of them is pro-war at the same time that they’re claiming to be “pro-life”.Doing God’s work no doubt prevents them from volunteering for military service.

  6. #6 by H.S. on 03/22/2005 - 11:05 am

    Each and every one of them is pro-war at the same time that they’re claiming to be “pro-life”. Doing God’s work no doubt prevents them from volunteering for military service. –willing

    Respectfully, willing, I can tell you don’t know personally a very large number of individuals claiming to be pro-life. As with every large social organization that humans can form (or even a marriage for that matter) you will not find agreement on every issue. The anti-war people would laugh at you for the above statement. There are few people that are *for* every war or *against* every war, but there are some who match that description.

    The armed services, as an identifiable group, at one time, contained the largest number of “pro-life” individuals (even looking at mainline Christian denominations). The southern male leaders in Congress were, thankfully, able to block abortion as a medical procedure for military members, as a group they controlled – by demand of the military, for longer than anywhere on the planet. I do not know as of today what the current rules are.

    Current and ex-military and many older law enforcement officers were some of the finest spokesmen against murder by abortion that I have ever heard.

    I have attended church with (until they left) individual pro-lifers who were so Quaker-style pacifist that they believed anyone taking a job where they may need to kill someone in the line of duty was a heretic sinner. After two extremely well-done sermons by the pastor, the woman decided that for her husband and family of boys and for two other families that this church was “heretic” and no amount of plain, simple English, Bible would do.

    The vast majority of pro-lifers are white – world-wide.

    They are of ALL religious beliefs and non-beliefs. Many of my favorite pro-lifers/anti-abortion people were people of conscience and did not profess any particular “moral code.” They made more “converts” than any other identifiable group.

    But there’s a reason the phrase “and every man did what was right in his own eyes” doesn’t work. The above demonstrates it. What Bob is all about demonstrates it.

  7. #7 by whitake on 03/23/2005 - 2:05 pm

    I am pro-life, and I am pro-life in only a way in which a woman can be who has been cheated of her chances to have biological children.

    I am a Catholic and I am a woman — and Schiavo is lower than dirt. While legally married, he’s been living with another woman and has two children by her. Any _ethical_ individual, under those circumstances alone, would divorce his wife. Not only is this one of the oldest legal causes for divorce in the U.S. (originally intended for wives of men locked up in insane asylums and for wives of long-term convicts), _her_ parents have encouraged him to do it. But, no, he doesn’t want to. It isn’t love. It’s apparently money: as long as Schiavo is legally married to Terri, he is her only legal heir.

    There are also some questions about what has happened to the malpractice settlement awarded the Schiavos in the early 1990s, which was partly due to Schiavo tearfully averring in the witness box that he wanted nothing more than to spend the rest of his life tending to his young wife. I’ve heard two different versions: either Schiavo has spent it on attorneys to get his wife killed or Schiavo wants what remains, to support his “girlfriend” and their two bastards.

    And there’s the question of this apparently healthy 26-year-old woman having a “heart attack.” It’s all _very_ mysterious…

    What Schiavo has done to his wife is the stuff of nightmares to many of us women — along with what Scott Peterson did to his wife and baby….

  8. #8 by whitake on 03/23/2005 - 2:10 pm

    I’m too old to serve my country in uniform. I tried it over twenty years ago and didn’t make it through training due to some long-standing health problems that I hadn’t thought would make a difference — but they did.

    There are ways to serve your country without wearing a uniform. I’m currently back in school working towards a degree that will enable me to do just that.

    Contrary to popular misunderstanding, we Catholics are not required to be against capital punishment. The pope is against capital punishment, but, hey, anybody can have a personal opinion. The pope has not made _his_ stand against capital punishment something that is _required_ of Catholics.

  9. #9 by Don on 03/23/2005 - 4:37 pm


    When I talk about “Pro-life” as it applies to the Schiavo case, that does not mean that I support aborting healthy white babies. I certainly do not. But we should all be responsible for caring for our White Community.

    I also am not defending the husband. I do not know the details of this case. I am only looking at the physical state of the woman.

  10. #10 by H.S. on 03/23/2005 - 4:55 pm

    RE: “What Schiavo has done to his wife is the stuff of nightmares to many of us women — along with what Scott Peterson did to his wife and baby….” –W

    All I could do is pile-on to all your comments above. This should not have been a right-to-life case, but it has definitely become one. The people making big bucks and standing to gain big bucks would like to turn it into just and only just that in order to kill her by using the sheer force of mob opinion. This has been a perversion of justice from the beginning.

    Nightmares? You BET. Having been personally involved with several law enforcement domestic abuse cases, with all the cover-up and CYA provided them, and the helpless, raw fear of their victims and families and children – your comments are more than well-founded. One of the worst and most famous (public) cases being of Police Chief Brame of Tacoma, WA – its 2nd largest city – who after years of wife, girlfriend, and co-worker abuse (including rape — with the knowledge of many other personnel who attempted to help the victim) was moved up the chain of command. It culminated after years with his blocking her car with his car (again) into a public parking space and shooting her and then finally himself to death in front of their children. He finally followed through on threats he’d made for years. All the other cases never made it to the news like that one did. Too bad.

    Working with men and women who have fought from the inside directly against the powerful (but many times grossly incompetent) and closed medical community, especially any having connection to the filth-perverse abortion industry, with what they are capable of… Bob’s article on Innocence is No Excuse gave me that familiar pit in my stomach. Corrupted power continues to corrupt and ruin people who are the least capable of defending themselves and who are the least able to find any financial resources to battle the bought-and-paid-for “judicial” system. With people who will do anything to anyone because there are no rules for them – “There is no statute of limitations on anyone who hurts the left.” –BW

    And there are thousands of people out there who will tell you it’s no conspiracy theory. What happens when good people do nothing? It matters what you believe. Seriously, it does.

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