Peter points out:

Do you really think that even the “testable IQs” that are marketed today are valid measures by race?

Do you really think that a psychologist who discovered that Orientals or Jews had much lower IQs than whites would be given much press?

In college, I had a Psych professor who did tell the truth — quietly. She found real, valid test results and displayed them on an overhead in class. She put the results up as just one display in a series of overheads. It was part of a group of overheads that she said we didn’t need to take notes on if we didn’t want to, that they wouldn’t be on the test, and that they were just for our own information. She had done this previously with more innocuous overheads, so we were familiar with the routine. She left up the overhead of the test results showing lower IQs for Orientals and Jews only briefly. But she did scan the class to see who had noticed. I did.

I stayed after class and told her thanks for the overheads, smiled and left. She got great evals from the class. I got a good grade.

Comment by Peter

MY REPLY:

That lady is part of our underground army, each member of whom works alone.

You were a blessing to her.

In any totalitarian environment, there are those of us who keep telling the truth, defying the Truth.

I cannot give you enough credit for understanding. I cannot give you enough credit for what you did for that lonely shieldmaiden whom I wod love to thank.

I get SO tried of people praising somebody who makes a publc statement which is something like the truth.

The heroes and the herioines are the underground warriors like her.

Like you.

Like me.

We fight for what is true simply because we cannot stand untruth.

That is heroism.

When you understand that, everybody else seems superficial and silly to you.

I could have called this “LibAnonII,” but I thought the title above was catchier.

I was reading another comment said Anonowitz, and I noticed he said more or less what I just said in anwer to his comment below.

He began, as all good people should, by quoting me:

‘What LibAnon is talking about goes much deeper.”
The credit is all yours, Bob. I simply took your Whitakerism, which was a classic, and proceeded to ask the Whitaker question: “Yeah, but did it WORK?”
Based on the evidence, my provisional answer is “yes”. Centuries of priestly celibacy in Europe undoubtedly did lower the average IQ among whites — how could it not have? On the other hand, the Odinism inherent in the white gene pool would not, in my opinion, have culminated in science, technology, and world conquest had white Europe remained a group of pagan tribes. The culture of the “West” as we know it today, a compound of Germanic and Greco-Roman institutions, was largely the creation of the (Carolingian and Ottonian) Holy Roman Empire, presided over by the Church. In other words, the Germanic genetic heritage was necessary, but not sufficient, to create the civilization we’re trying to defend today.

LibAnon in his comment below is sinking back into all the non-Whitaker arguments and missing the exact points I am trying to make.

But if this is what he got, it means I am doing something wrong.

I am thinking as I write, so don’t stop with my first comments.

“Bob, you’re arguing today like a member of an official Oppressed Minority Group. White people, you say, can’t be that dumb because we invented horseshoes, those tests don’t measure REAL intelligence anyway, and besides, our people were genetically sabotaged by a thousand years of ‘Middle Eastern crap.'”

*****LibAnon, my first rule, as you should know by now, is that I NEVER go on the defensive.

***** First of all, what I discovered during this discussion of “middle east crap” was something that was entirely different from what I started with a few months ago. This self-destruction program of whites did NOT staryt with “middle eastern crap.”

***** The opposite is the case. The Ideal of Sterility has nothing to do with the Old Testaments or Semites. It came from a religion what was officially limited to Aryans an degenerated.

**** That was a great discovery for me, and it bothers me that you misssed it completely.

*** A lot of people have asked me what is so self-destructive in our race. I came up with at least a start at a beginning of an exampleto work with.

**** You will NEVER see me say “those tests don’t measure real intelligence anyway.” I have been working onthese tests, blood groupings, EEGs and a lot else for over forty years at a professional level, we were asked to present one paper at Walter Reed Hospital, and my attitude wouuld take a LOT of explaining.

***** A third point you missed here is that I am NOT talking about some ability to “creat a civilization.” That is, once again, a standard point that is PRECISELY what I am NOT saying. See below.

What’s the difference between that and African Americans who argue “we can’t be DAT dumb because brothers invented peanut butter and traffic lights AND dem tests don’t measure REAL intelligence anyhow AND besides the white man been keepin’ us DOWN, five hundred years of oppression, yo”?

****** You have a good point here. We must not get into this defensive crap.

****** But remember my BIG point, the one no one else makes:

**** Creating **A** civilization is like ants creating an ant hill.

**** Creating one more civilization is of no importance whatever. What whites have created is a pathway to the stars.

My point is, who cares? When it comes to the qualities necessary to build a civilization that GOES SOMEWHERE, IQ is pretty far down the list. No society has EVER been run, except into the ground, by intellectuals. Intellectuals are servants and can’t succeed as anything else.

**** Now we’re cooking!

**** Every “other Great Civilization” got to the point where it found geometry or something and then the priesthood took over and it stagnated until it turned brown and died away.

**** In hte case of the Great Native American Civilizations, they were colored alrady, built things, stagnated and went away, leaving us to gawk at the greatnes of that particular glorified ant hill.

**** Reading what you said, it occurs to me tha the minute smart people stop impressing people with what they DO and start calling themselves intellectuals or Great Goobies or priests of Ammon, the stagnation phase is under way.

The true strength of our race is not our collective intellectual ability, measurable or not, but our faith, our passion, our sense of beauty, our sense of loyalty, honor and fair play, and our grateful curiosity about the world outside our own heads. In other words, our religious sense. That’s what makes us unique and gives our race its unique power.

***** As so often happens, I glory in your sentiments but I disagree with your logic.

***** By now you know my favorite NC saying, “You’re ugly, your feet stink, and you don’t love Jesus.”

**** On our level, it refers to the idea that accomplishment comes from virtue.

**** The Aryan group does have “our faith, our passion, our sense of beauty, our sense of loyalty, honor and fair play, and our grateful curiosity about the world outside our own heads. In other words, our religious sense. That’s what makes us unique and gives our race its unique power.”

**** I think that is largely CONCOMMITANT, not causal.

I read in this morning’s newspaper that it has been recently discovered that even songbirds can do arithmetic and parse grammatical structures. So much for Noam Chomsky, who thinks that such abilities are what defines humanity. Let’s leave such extravagant overestimation of the ability to perform such tricks, which we share with animals, to the Noams of the world. It’s something we’re picking up from the “Judaized cultural imperium” (to use Kevin Macdonald’s phrase) in which we live, and we need to get over it.

***** Right!

***** Noam Chomsky will naturally believe that what Jews excel in is what “humanity” is all about.

***** But what you saying precisely in line with my observation.

***** I was talking about other people’s — not Bob’s — obsession with MEASURABLE INTELLIGENCE. I already put it in all-caps several times, and I don’t know how to make it more clear.

**** I made a typically Whitaker observation that no one else thought about: This measurable IQ could have been made higher by Jews who concentrated on that sort of ability, in order to encourage it.

**** In the decades I have been on this IQ business, EVERYBODY has mentioned the probability that Jews have bred for the things that made for a higher IQ, and Jews have a higher MEAURABLE INTELLIGENCE now.

**** Nathaniel Weyl was discussing that in the 1950s, and it wasn’t new THEN.

**** But no one has mentioned even the possibility that a thousand years of the church doing exactly the opposite may have had the opposite effect on us.

**** Except Weyl, who is a Jew. He indicated that white gentiles had pushed their IQ down, and stopped there.

**** If you are an IQ nut, the implications would be, and I know people who fell for it, that Jews are specially bred to rule.

***** According tot hat theory, we are permanently crippled.

**** So our proving that black IQ was lower than white was used to prove Jewish Supremacy.

**** So many of the comments on what I said are correctly replying that IQ is not the only thing here. But in doing so they seem to be saying that I indicated something about IQ I did NOT say.

***** My point is that we are the only NON-ANTS around.

***** What do Jews and Orientals, inthe absense of white gentiles, DO with all that puzzle-solving and reading IQ they have?

***** They study their Ancient Scripts and they stagnate until somebody comes along and burns their Ancient Wisdom.

****** As a matter of simple arithmetic, the church may have lowered our average IQ.

***** That’s an interesting point. But regardless of that, we are still the only humans in town.

***** As LibAnon points out, BIRDS can do what Jews and orientals can do. Ants can do it better.

**** It reminds of what Carleton Putnam said fifty years ago in response to the people who kept saying blacks had much better sense of rythme and were greater athletes than whites:

“Canaries sing beautifully. And every year a HORSE wins the Kentucky Derby.”

Comment by LibAnon

LibAnon says, beginning with a quote from me,

“centuries of church breeding for lower IQs”
But this same institution created what we now know as Europe, which conquered the world. So perhaps the priests were wiser than our latter-day (and extremely Jewish) obsession with IQ might lead us to believe.
Rather than preventing smart people from breeding, the Church’s main intent was more likely to have been to liberate the intellect from the burdens of economic necessity and domestic responsibility. This institutional sequestering of the intelligentsia therefore led directly to the invention of modern science, technology, and other achievements unique to European civilization.
Also, there is considerable evidence that “breeding for intelligence” is actually dysgenic, not eugenic. Centuries of this practice among the Jews, for instance, has led to moral and physical qualities that Jews themselves often find repugnant, together with disproportionately high levels of neurosis and mental illness. There is also evidence that today’s rapidly increasing rate of autism among children is linked to the increasing number of couples in which both partners are highly intelligent, to the point that autism has often been called “nerd syndrome”.
So perhaps the Church got it exactly right. The best “group evolutionary strategy” is to seek out the nerds and free them to think, but also to discourage them from biologically reproducing.

Comment by LibAnon

MY REPLY:

We have a fundamental historical disagreement here.

You say that the Christian Church created today’s Europe.

As you know, since you read my last book, I believe that Odin’t knowledge-based religion reflected the fact that a scientific Europe was already here.

In the so-called Dark Ages, the “barbarians” introduced a sane harness that did not choke a horse the way the Roamsn had done, they invented horse shoes. I can’t remember the rest of the list, but they revolutionized technology in a way Romans never could.

It took us a thousand years to reintroduce knowledge as a goal inthe middle eastern jungle known as Christian thought, and the job hasn’t been done yet.

If you have any illusions that this insanity has been overcome, read National Review.

Remember what my POINT was. It coincides perfectly with yours.

I was simply saying that church policy on the Ideal of Sterility has probably brought down the average IQ of whites. The simple fact that this would have brought down the average testable IQ has never been discussed by those who keep pointing out that AVERAGE IQ among Jews and Orientals is higher.

That is a matter of simple arithmetic.

That is usual Whitaker point. Something everybody else will soon consider obvious jumped out at me.

Nobody else would have noticed it, but it jumped out at me.

Soon evrybody will say it was obvious and they knew it all along.

That piece of simple arithmetic is Point One.

Now let’s go on to Point Two, YOUR point.

Whatever the churches did to average IQ, it did not affect the fundamental fact of race.

Rushton is an IQ fanatic. Bless him, he demands the preservation of our race because he sees our race as his family. That will do since he is on our side in terms of racial survival.

But Rushton sincerely believes that the higher average IQ of Jews and Orientals gives them a FUTURE, regardless of whether whites become brown or not.

Now let me digress again to show you my way of thinking.

I have said many times I have brought up what would happen if you tuned into a program on BBC or PBS and heard them saying, “They are One With Nature, they take only what they need. You may think they are cruel, but what they are doing is in tune with Nature.”

What would happen is that you would not know whether they were talking about wolves or Indians.

By exactly the same token, it is impossible to tell whether someone is commenting on Orientals or ants.

“They work hard. They deal with problems. They have highly complex societies.”

I defy you to know whether they are talking about Orientals or ants until they tell you.

Both Indians and wolves have enormous virtues within their static environment. They do not destroy nature, they fit into it. Both Indians and ants can routinely endure agonies that we award medals for.

Ants are heroic workers, asking nothing for themselves.

But neither Indians nor wolves nor ants nor Orientals are GOING ANYWHERE.

The cirle Orientals are going around in is much, much bigger than the circles ants go around in.

But if BBC or PBS left and came back to earth in a thousand years, they woud expect the ants, the orientals, the wolves and the Indians to be going around in the same Highly Virtuous circles. They would all be Highly Virtuous.

Raise the average Oriental IQ ten points and their circle will be wider than it was before.

Give them bigger, stronger legs and they will break Olympic records right and left.

They will go around the same track MUCH faster.

I did NOT say that Jews have benefitted greatly by pushing their testable IQ up to Oriental levels.

In fact, as LibAnon points out, the higher IQ that comes naturally to Orientals has produced neuroses in Jews who have articificially bred them higher.

Read Portnoy’s Complaint.

What I pointed out was a simple matter of arithmetic.

What LibAnon is talking about goes much deeper.

In fact, what LibAnon has to say requires me to do something desperate:

I am going to have to THINK about it.