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Well I got some help and can now copy and paste. I sent to 4 disappointed students at Catholic Universities. The mantra is on my desk top so if someone has too many sites, they could assign a few to me.

Comment by Shari

ME:

I almost congratulted Shari on finding help on her own. Then it occured to me that Shari might not take this as a compliment. After all, she is a competent adult and she might not appreciate my praise for her simply acting like a competent adult.

But all of you who have been in this movement for a while realize how the IQ of a person seems to collapse when they get in here. On Stormfront you hear constant sfreaming about things no adult would bother with. You cannot get anybody to concentrate on the real, serious battle we face every day. They want to shout about the latest news and talk about how useless doing anything now is, but when The Time Comes, they’ll be out there with their machine guns in the right.

They sound like ten-year-olds playing cowboys.

Even before I met these folks, I had been exposed to the World War II cowboys.

Or apemen.

Maybe only Joe and I remember, but Tarzan movies were always advertised with the King of the Apes, Tarzan, swinging from vine to vine and giving his call. “AAAOOAAOOAHOOAHOOHAH!” It was as famous in my youth as the Lone Ranger Theme, aka, The Willaim Tell Overture.

And every time I met a World War II vet I could hear him beating his chest and screaming, “AAAOOAAOOAHOOAHOOHAH!” One could not speak to them rationally, it was always “I learned in the military that you can’t buck the Government.”

“That shows I’m a Tough, Practical Real Man.”

I found it tough to tell the difference between a shrieking Tough, Practical Real Man and a slave.

You have all been exposed to this sudden collapse of intelligence in people who go cowboy on you. It costs you a LOT of pain to get used to it, to get resigned to it. Now, abruptly, I am surrounded by adults. But from time to time I will slip into my old habits, and you know first-hand exactly where those habits came from.

I am delighted to have this problem. It was such an astonishing delight to read Dave’s step-by-step, no words wasted guide to our kind of political warfare. It is great to see Shari going out and finding help and volunteering, I WANT YOU TO TAKE HER UP ON IT, to place some Bob’s Mantras for those who have a list to put them on.

But I am still going to slip from time to time and fail to respect you the way you deserve to be respected.

My habits of mind run pretty deep. Shari mentioned some disappointed Catholic university students she had contacted. This got my mind back in my old professor mode. Then Shari mentioned she had Bob’s Mantra on her desktop. I am NOT joking here. I thought for several minutes that she had a page with Bob’s Mantra stuck on her COLLEGE-type, desktop!

I finally shook it off and realized what she meant, but it was honestly in my mind for a minute or two that she had it pasted on her desk, the wooden classroom one!

I still get a smile from people who volunteer to give me their cell number. I used to work in a place where one’s cell number was an essential piece of information, but it had nothing to do with the telephone.

And when I go into a store and see directions relating to a credit card, telling you how to “swipe” something, it has a meaning for me that one would not expect from the management.

An old guy’s institution memory is useful. But it comes with some liabilities.

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I have assembled scores of BWs articles and grammar and spelling corrected blog postings at www.nationalsalvation.net to make them more accessible to myself.

I go back to them again and again because I am always learning more, realizing more.

Going over the postings keeps impressing me as to how extraordinarily intelligent the participants of this seminar are.

If it is true that heredity is destiny, perhaps the answers for our race are already known. They may not be known consciously, but perhaps they are known down deep in our racial unconscious.

Our recent history is fairly straightforward: Adolph Hitler happened, PC racial indoctrination happened, and the white race lost its bearing toward the nonwhite world.

Now there are signs of change.

But what is the FIRST THING the white race will do to firmly regain its bearing?

I want to believe our race unconsciously knows the answer – the real answer. Not an ideological answer. Not a political answer. But a real answer – perhaps an answer residing in our racial unconscious.

I want to believe that is part of what BW means when he states “heredity is all important”.

I want to know the answer. An answer that causes white people to step back into the saddle of being astride the world – to where we psychologically regain our centeredness in all of our dealings with nonwhites, from the most trivial to the most weighty.

We are responsible. No nonwhites are responsible for our tribulations. We are responsible.

Perhaps someone in the seminar has the answer to the FIRST THING we will do, the very first thing that our race does to actually and concretely regain its bearing.

Perhaps not, but life is not a dress rehearsal for something else.

Consequently, I have hope that one of the participants of this seminar knows the real answer, the real answer to the very first thing our race does that puts us “back into the saddle”.

Comment by Dave

ME:

Thanks for giving us the URL.

This is GENIUS! The reason it is genius is because it doesn’t wander. Dave has put everything in a rigid order, which is excatly what needs to be done. It is exactly the opposite of respectable conservatives.

I cannot praise this work too highly. Dave is writing our textbook.

And the title is “siegecraft,” which I never thought of but which is exactly accurate. A siege is rigidly conducted along specific lines. A siege does not vary from its objective, which is CONQUEST. A siege is the opposite of our sixty years of charging off blindly in all directions.

Dave, I’m sorry I did not get to this earlier. I hope I did not help discourage you, because your work makes my life worth while. All the scattered “I agree with yous” in the world are of no importance compared to your hard and disciplined work here.

When I talked about the desperation in academia to prove INdians didn’t kill hte mammoths and giant sloths, Elizabeth added a comment about the “balds” in Appalachia. These are mountain tops that Indians regularly burned off, destroying the trees. She also pointed out that large areas of the East where the “nature-;oving” Indians lived were reduced to prairie.

Here isa comment from Marshall de Bruhl’s 1993 life of Sam Houston. It is a grovelingly politically correct book in general, but he did let this slip. He was discussing hte fact that white settlers of the Shanandoah Valley found it already cleared. He explained htis by the fact that, in order to get herding animals to hunt there, the Indians burned it off every year:

“The standard portrait of the native Amerians as benign ecologists is somewhat marred by this practice. One forester obserrved that had this seasonal burning xontinued, in a few centuries Vorginia would have beomce eitehr a PRAIRIE or a desert.”

You know those temples that are found inthe middle of the Central American jungles? It turned out that the Indians built up civilizations there and destroyed the trees and brought on doughts and flooding that brought down each civilization. The jungle, with its thin, Amazon-like soil, then grew over it.

Dave did not include his Internet Address here, which makes it unreachable for new readers of this Blog.

ALWAYS give your Internet address.

Mark had to remind me to do that in Bob’s Mantra.

Then he had to remind me he had reminded me.

I have taken scores of BW’s articles and blog postings (with full attribution), done spelling and grammer cleanup, and posted them at nationalsalvation.net in an INITIAL attempt to make BW’s WN’s observations more accessible (to me). I will radically change this site and probably its domain name (I own scores of domain names) as I proceed.

The godsend of BW is that he has developed a comprehensive ideological countermeasure to PC race indoctrination that is badly needed and that is not tainted by the kind of WNs crap that has proven to be counterproductive in the past.

I threw it up as a “project step” to enable me to ruminate on how to fold it into a “siegecraft manual” for white people that will include an orientation to various laws and strategic coaching for whites on how to deal with a society where we have 15 Mexicans lined up for the chance to receive the minimum wage for the privilege of getting to scrub a white man’s toilet.

Soon we will have 100 Mexicans (per each white man’s toilet) in the same line.

Also, “planned community” consultancies (real estate developers) need better grounding for handling the “race pitch”. I want to develop something unique that will embolden them to become more “in your face” regarding gated communities.

Gated communities are something I deal with in my work as an accountant and I understand the industry and know some of the players.

That is why I have done much raging against the police on this blog. I know from direct experience how useless (and dumb) the police are.

In every third-world country the police are useless accept to rob law abiding people (through the “taxes and fines” finance mechanism) and to aid and abet drug gangs in their business activities.

Third-world America is no different; hence the growing industry in “private security” and gated communities.

Comment by Dave

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I just want to say some things about my earlier comments.
If anyone thinks the points I made were too base, and simplistic, then PLEASE, look at this (PROFESSIONAL) antis question again:

“How do YOU, know Britain Has always been a White country since the beginning of time, were YOU, in Britain at the beginning of time????”

Now ask yourself; what kind of IDIOT! would have stood there reeling off endless facts and statistics, just to counter such a baseless, and stupid argument?

And yet, I hate to say this, but if you posted that same question on OV at Stormfront, you would see many good people (NOT ALL) doing exactly that.
We have all been subjected to BILLIONS, of dollars of propaganda from the media, academia, mainstream politicians etc.
And we may not like to admit it, but we are all carrying symptoms of this.

Its NOT complicated.

There is no logical reason why ANY race of people would ever want to become a minority, in their own countries.
And every non White we will ever, meet in our entire lives already knows this.

Like the coach says, this is about “GENOCIDE”.

So lets Throw the facts, and stats, AWAY

Comment by Lord Nelson

The heresy angle is also the BEST way to aproach holocaust revisionism, a subject which

seems to obsess our side.

I never waste time quoting numbers and studies to prove wether the big cookoff happened,

didn’t happen or sort of happened. To a right thinking Aryan all that matters is that

they’re putting people in jail for trying to amend the death figures by even one victim.

THEY ARE PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL.

Kidnapping them when necessary, and holding them in solitary confinement like mass

murderers. I direct anyone who will listen to Google up Ernst Zundel, David Irving and

Gemmar Rudolph then draw their own conclusions. What happened to these men is a more potent

argument for our cause than piles of moldy Nazi documents and archaeological excavations at

the alleged camps.

If the story of David Irving doesn’t outrage you, then go back to your football game. We’ll

let you know when the revolution is over.

Comment by Antonio Fini

ME:

AT LAST! After years of effort, I have two commenters talking to each other about strategy on my level.

Every other civilization before ours was based on Authority. Ours is based on experiment:

“One experiments is worth a hundred Expert Opinions.”

Lord Nelson and Fini know something that simly cannot be found out without some experience in

the field:

It doesn’t matter how man books you’ve rad on a subject when you have five minutes to change

an ATTITUDE.

I keep speaking as one who has had to defend our position with every kind of population and who was never given any time to get started. I had to get going from sentence one.

This is a world apart from people who are debating with each other about which form of racism is the Word ofthe Lord or True Science.

I have to use my first two minutes to BUY another fifteen minues without letting someone
label me out of the discussion. So I have to wait until YOU are in the position where you
need something that WORKS.

Lord Nelson has a FRESH way to say what I have been trying to say: We don’t have TIME to dig into stats in that crucial first period.

And Antonio has the same no-nonsense advice: We can attack the Hlocaust right off hte bat, or we can condemn those who are JAILING people.

And only experience can teach you how to come back with the argument Lord Nelson did on “native” Britons. That requires staying on target and still dealing with the debate you are faced with.

The point is not to WIN an argument. The point is to be able to MAKE the argument without being labelled out. And the next point is not to WIN the argument, but to CONVERT the listeners, which is what Lord Nelson did. The interviewer pretended to never ge his point, but the listenders DID.

Let’s keep this up. I couldn’t be happier.

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I am new at this but i’ll give it a try. I think I understand how to attack the PC retards

as described by BOB. Never fall victm to their wordism charge that takes you off message as

one example. Bob did not fall for this tactic, he applied their retard logic and reversed it

on them, excellent. PC retards are the perverts on normal society, expose it for whet it is

and we crush their silly litte make believe world.

Comment by Alan

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It’s interesting how quickly they resort to calling you a nazi when you talk about the Jews

or the “white” thing. They will insult you or try to discredit you any way they can and

evade arguing your points. Bob and Tim know that well. In a formal debate, those tactics

would be considered fallacious arguments.

Comment by Al Parker

ME:

Welcome aboard, Alan!

Alan and Al give me a chance to repleat my one-two punch. I wish Lord Nelson were doing this, since he is fresh from the field of action.

Alan, our first message, which you KEEP htiing them with is:

Bob’s Mantra

” Liberals and respectable conservatives say there is this RACE problem. Everybody says

this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and

ONLY into white countries.”

“The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or

Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote

assimilating unquote with them.”

“Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY

white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.”

“What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if

hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black

countries?”

“How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am

talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?”

“And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black

man wouldn’t object to this?”

“But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the

white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a

naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.”

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

“Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.”

http://whitakeronline.org

Al Parker,

You know the above, but we have developed this into a one-two punch.

Punch two deals with the only recourse they have:

HERESY!

Every society has its own word for HERESY! ( then spell it out with the caps and the exclamation point.)

In Communist countries all heresy is denounced as Fascism.

In Fascist Italy all heresy was denounced as Communism.

In our Politically Society you denounce all heresy as Racism.

This is supposed to allow you to refuse to answer me. This is supposed to give you the right to suppress my opinions. But in a free society you can’t hide behind labels.

Ther point is that our enemies only have TWO arguments. But we never DEAL with their ONLY two arguments.

I am urging you to take out their two arguments,and to talk about NOTHING else until they address genocide and suppressing our point of view.

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Thought you might like to know that last week I called a talk radio phone in show from the UK. they had a social construct, Ooops! I mean anti (sorry Bob) as a guest on the show he was being presented as an impartial member of the public who had some inside information about how evil the BNP are.
The compare let talk to him and I quickly had him cornered in our debate, at this point he threw in one of those mind numbing anti arguments, which if you used as your defence in a court of law you would be sent to a mental institution.
I calmly did what I always do, I took what the anti said, turned it around onto the non white race, then threw his own argument back in his face.
This left the anti speechless, as usual, so the compare cut in and started demanding that I make my point, I kept repeating (I HAVE MADE MY POINT) over and over, until I was cut off.
Well I continued listening to the show and to my surprise several other people phoned in praising what I had said earlier.
About 90% of the callers were pro BNP and by the end of the show both the compare and his little anti sounded quite shook up.

Whats going to happen IS happening.
LETS TAKE THESE SICKOS

Comment by Lord Nelson

ME:

Wonderful work!

But you clearly were able to hold them to YOUR subject. We need more instruction in how you did THAT.

Tell us how it FEELS not to let the bastards get out from under your devastating point.

THAT is the key to victory!

If anything happens to me, you can call Jamie Kelso and he will tell you how to keep this blog, our seminar, our conspiracy, going.

One watershed was reached here that only I would fully appreciate:

Shari said she didn’t know how to do the copying and pasting, AND SOMEONE ANSWERED HER.

Once you learn to do something on the Internet you forget how mysterious it was before. Shari had the courage to state flatly that she didn’t know how to do it. For one person who simply doesn’t know how to do, there are at least ten more who don’t want to admit their “ignorance.”

When a comrade asks for help please give it. Please don’t leave it to me.

I see more and more commenters advising each other on which blogs to hit with Bob’s Mantra:

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Let’s not overlook the blogosphere. It may be a more suited area to target. Blog readers are less composed of nerds and wannabe intellectuals. Let’s look for blogs worth posting to on Blogspot.com, then enter the comments section and insert Bob’s mantra. Often the commenting can be done quickly, anonymously, and is not even moderated. We can start with the Islamo-obsessivist Gates of Vienna ( http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/ ), who thinks the question of Muslims in Europe is only religious in nature.

Comment by Al Parker

ME:

This is exactly what I am looking for!

You are steadily taking over.

This is not a lecture, this is a seminar. I am not your Fearless Leader. I am trying to get you grad students ready to take my place.

And this is why I do not want you to consider me “political leader.” In fact, the whole point of my efforts here depend on your clearly seeing the distinction I make here:

A Leader is one who cannot be replaced. His followers follow in the path he has set out.

And here is the BIG difference. I am not a Great Leader in whose steps you are supposed to tread. I am a SEMINAR leader. I am a TEACHER.

The whole point of being a great historical leader is to be one who can never be completely replaced. The whole point of being a TEACHER is to train your replacements in what you have to offer, and for THEM to go on from there.

I want to leave a group of people who have learned a way of thinking, some basics. But I want you to become capable of calling Kelso and going right ahead with this or proceeding in other way, or both.

I want to see Shari asking questions and getting less apologetic about HER point of view. I want to see YOU answering questions. I want to see YOU reminidng people to go back to basics.

You cannot imagine how delighted I am when I don’t have to repeat the point because YOU do.

One commenter made me happy when he told another wrier, “You are getting off Bob’s point.”

YOU have to steadily learn the points I can offer you.

But you must progress so that Ian not be the only one who keeps prodding people back to the BASICS. YOU are supposed to get better and better at doing that yourself.

YOU are supposed to go out and try what I have to offer and come back (please note this, Joe) with the lessons you learn, many of them lessons I don’t KNOW.

If you don’t progress this way, I have failed. If you DO, then everything I am doing is worth the effort.

I want to teach you what I know. But what I know should be only how to handle a glider.

I teach you how to glide so you will learn to fly.

Joe said at the outset that Carto was his kind of guy. He repeated that after my latest praise of Carto.

I LISTEN, Joe.

After my bitch about readers who don’t copy and paste, which Joe made me think of, Joe apparently got offended:

The difference between Paul Craig Roberts and that pack of paid whores is that Paul Craig Roberts is honest. For whatever reason he decided to go a different route than you did. I really should ask him about that. Maybe I will. I sure would want him in my camp if I were you. Do you suppose it could be that he disagrees with your entire set of premises?

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I am not kidding: it is kind of fun to be accused of dishonesty after a lifetime of being criticized for exactly the opposite.

It is also ironic, a type of humor we like. The last time I saw Paul was at the Voice of America in 1985. We were in school together twenty years before. We exchanged opinions and he smiled and the last thing he said to me was:

“You know, Bob, it’s kind of nice to know that some things never change.”

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“We are NOT “mankind.” We are brawling, aggressive people no one can unite. Or Conquer.”

Bob, what about the welfare trolls I see every weekend while shopping for groceries?
They are white, usually obese, dirty, not old, addicted to taxayer’s money to the point
of thinking it’s owed to them, have hords of white-trash kids (from multiple fathers) trailing along
behind the “Free” food cart. These people HAVE been conquered and they are WHITE! If it can happen to them, what makes you think it can’t happen to the rest of the white race?

I fear this, I really do.

Comment by Mark

ME:

First, allow me to feel a bit of triumph at your saying:

“I fear this, I really do.”

You are not a member of The Greatest Generation. You said to Ole Bob that this scares you.

You don’t know what a triumph that is. I am so desperately tired of being told that the essence of True Manhood is that one knows no fear.

Now take a psychological jump with me. We all take it for granted that ten thousand wildebeeste live their lives in fear of the pride of lions which sits there and picks off the slow and weak among them. There are TEN THOUSAND of them! Why don’t they just stomp those twenty or thirty lions to death?

They never have. They never WILL.

WHY?

A troop of baboons obeys the alpha. The rest of the baboons are denied the most basic of instincts, the ability to BREED, by that alpha.

WHY?

If the other males got together, they could rip the alpha to pieces.

That is the way the world WORKS.

Why should all the unstoppable invasions in history stop at Vienna?

I don’t start with the illogic of it. I start with the fact that they DID.

Why aren’t YOU one of the welfare trolls? If they are white and you are white, why aren’t you one of them?

To an old South Carolinian like me, there is no mystery to this, and there is no novelty to this.

We called them “trash.”

And we forgot about them.

The white race is not superior because we are ALL superior. All those invasions did not end at Vienna because everybody north and west of Vienna was an Ubermensch, an Aryan Superman.

Let’s ask another question that is more relevant. Why did all those invasions roll across the whole world UNTIL they reached Vienna?

Because Ghenghis Kahn and Mohammed were the ONLY alphas in THEIR world. They had no competition until they reached Vienna.

Do any of us wonder why Papa Doc Duvalier ruled Haiti? Do any of us wonder why a Ho Chi Min or a Mao Tse Tung or a Pol Pot has absolute power in Asia?

It never even occurs to us to be puzzled about why the third world is routinely despotic.

But we would be ASTOUNDED if a Stalin did not run into a Hitler and a Hitler did not run into a Churchill in OUR world.

Asia and Africa are SUPPOSED to be ruled by Strong Men. That is the way of the world.

But in the West, our whole history is a struggle between popes and emperors and kings. We have never sorted out the alpha.

WHY?

There is no Alamo outside of the White world. There was no Thermopylae outside of OUR world.

Look at the number of historians trying desperately to discredit the “Alamo Myth.” The Alamo stands in the path of Politically Correct History in exactly the same way that Vienna stood in the path of one World Conqueror after another.

The answer is because our world contains people like US.

Our white world contains many betas and deltas and gammas. But our white world also has a wildly disproportionate number of ALPHAS, people like you and me.

They can screm, “There is no God but God, and Mohammed is his Prophet.” Their whole world will collapse before an alpha statement like that.

But we will say, “Balderdash!” “Crap!” “Nonsense!”

When they say the white race has to go because all mankind is one in the Name of Allah or Jehovah, we will reply, “What pile of crap!”

In all the world, the buck stops HERE.

For all our pretences at respecting All Mankind, the fact is that Asia and Africa are EXPECTED to roll over at crap like that.

But HERE, an Alamo or a Bob’s Mantra or a Thermopylae is natural.

Despotism is the routine lot of Asia and Africa and all the nonwhite peoples. YOU take that so much for granted you haven’t even THOUGHT about it.

But it ends HERE. There are Bobs with Bob’s Mantra here. You have no trouble with the idea that Afro-Asians can be slaves, but it SCARES you that WHITES can get that way, and you SEE whites getting that way.

Your question, Mark, is your answer.

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I want to share with you the MOST painfully accurate description thus far of the EURO/AFP conferences, from Harold A. Covington, the guy promoting the northwest migration.

“[These conferences are] quasi-intellectual bullshit bloviated in rented motel banquet rooms while [attendees are] being served rubber chicken by Mexican waiters, where 90% of the visible heads in the audience are gray or snow white-haired and the average waist size is 42.”

Ouch! That takes the cake.

Comment by Al Parker

ME:

I appreciate you and Joe backing me up, but it should not be at the expense of fighters on other fronts.

Willis has been courting the old people with money for four decades. That is the way he has started and financed so many endeavors. Everybody else who has gotten hold of a LITTLE money on our side has gotten into a fight over it or stolen it.

Those old people with the 42 waists have quietly financed us against the giants for decades, and no one will ever give them credit for it.

Willis has had tens of millions go through his hands without any of it sticking to them. He lives very simply and always has.

Willis has never wavered even the slightest bit from his dedication to our cause. He damned near destroyed me once, but I admired him the whole time, and said so.

Willis has exploded many times, he exploded at me. But a man who can handle big money and never show the slightest concern for it compared to his dedication to the cause is my hero, no matter what. Carto towers above our movement through the decades.

Carto got slapped down and came back fighting again and again and again and again. He NEVER wavered, no matter how bad things got. Willis can blow up in my face any time he wants to. If I can say that, with all my time and agony invested in the movement, you should have the same attitude.

Willis often comes out swinging at the wrong person at the wrong time inthe wrong place, but he always comes out swinging. There simply is no one in the same league with Willis Carto.

I have been in this fight for half a century. I have personally known and worked with almost all the greats. But Willis stands in a categoryof his own.

When we were few and discouraged, Willis was combative.

Lord, how I admire that man!

Well, glad to see you finally fess up about Paul Craig Roberts being the “Craig Roberts” you were referring to along with Pat Buchanan in that piece of some time ago that you wrote, Bob. I didn’t want to have to badger you about it but I did want to be sure of the person you were referring to in that piece. I like what Paul Craig Roberts is doing. I don’t see William Rusher or George Will or Cal Thomas or a whole pack of what you call “respectable conservatives” doing what Mr. Roberts is doing. It takes guts and brains to do what he is doing. If we don’t hold this unflushed toilet bowl of a country together I don’t see how in the world we can do anything else worth doing.

Comment by joe rorke

ME:

Rusher and Will and Thomas are making a very good living at what they do.

When I ask commenters to cut and paste Bob’s Mantra, I get the response that they “have lives,” they have to make a living, they have to raise their kids, and they can’t spare time for this last priority.

Yet all those same commenters are very upset that Rusher and Will and Cal Thomas and the rest of them are not risking THEIR livelihoods by getting out there and taking dangerous stands.

Pat Buchanan was the top-paid columnist in America before he got out there. Craig Roberts edited the Wall Street Journal editorial page. But they forsook on the priorities I keep getting lectured on here.

Will and the rest are doing exactly what commenters are so proud of doing: they had their living to make first. They have LIVES, you see.