America did not split away from Britain because of the Tea Tax. It split away because it was time. When the Constitution was written, “We the People of the United States of America” had the smallest percentage of foreign-born than at any time before or since.
The last massive immigration from Europe ended by 1715, and that was a small one.
In 1787 Americans had been born here, their parents had been born here, their grandparents had been born here, and their GREAT grandparents had been born here.
Adam Smith’s proposal in Wealth of Nations in 1776, that Americans be allowed seats in Parliament, had been considered and rejected during the Revolution. Smith also mentioned in that same book that our population increase was natural, and that we had been BORN here. America was big enough to go it alone. America was an empire in itself.
So the split occurred.
“Treason never prospers, for if it prospers it is no longer treason.” So Washington is a hero of the ages and Lee never regained his American citizenship during his lifetime. But the South seceded because it was long past time. The Northern and Southern nations had long since been established, and the South gained nothing from the Union and paid all its bills plus a subsidy to avoid tariffs to Northern industry.
In 1865 the Southern nation became an occupied nation. So it remains today.
The same process occurred when Constantine moved the capitol from Rome to Byzantium. For a long time the Western church was subservient to the Emperor.
It was against Charlemagne’s will that he was crowned Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire by the pope. The pope literally snuck up behind him and put the crown on his head!
But the time had come. It had been almost five hundred years since the Roman capitol had been moved east. The western empire had driven off the Islamic invasions and had become entirely separate from the East. It was a new nationality, and it was time for it to have its own church and its own emperor.
Just as people look at the Tea Tax as the history-making splitter in 1775, so they look at the division of the Eastern and Western Churches as the result of theological hair-splitting. If you want to avoid history, the most picayune example you can find that even historians take seriously is called the filioque.
In the Nicene Creed, the Roman Catholic Church adopted the words that the Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father AND the Son. The Eastern Church said the Holy Spirit proceeded ONLY from the Father. That is called the filioque, and theologians take it seriously.
But the reason the old Roman Empire split in two was not a couple of words in a creed, and the reason America split from Britain was not the Tea Tax and the reason the South split from the North was not just slavery.
It was TIME.
#1 by Dave on 11/11/2006 - 1:41 pm
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History can’t see white superiority. Accordingly, nonwhites attack me in my people’s tonque, using my people’s law, in world lighted by my people’s light.
They are fed my people’s food, and housed in my people’s homes, and clothed in my people’s clothes.
Then the State of Arizona passes a law making English the official State language as if it makes a difference.
We Caucasians are a Nation all right, and a Nation we shall be forevermore.
However, we are long past being “of nations”; at present, it’s only the more intelligent of us that know it.
#2 by Shari on 11/11/2006 - 2:17 pm
This is really exciting, when you think about it. But I suppose that the hard times are not completely over yet, but at least I have hope!!!
#3 by Alan B. on 11/11/2006 - 3:53 pm
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Nations, like human beings can ot be engineered, they evolve through a natural process. To. we see political correctnes, this theory believes that multicultrial societs free of racism can be engineered to create a utopian society. These theories deny the existence of the human sprit and the natural instint to preserve ones own race. these theories never work and depend on cohercision and fear to implement. Nations sprout up and rebell in the same mannor. Once the mother country out lives its usefullness the developing country breaks away and goes its seperate way. Only force of arms from the mother country can keep the partnership together.
#4 by Lord Nelson on 11/11/2006 - 4:05 pm
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Its time we broke the chains of this SICK political ideology, ie. the multicult, that is destroying us, and I have no doubt that time has already started.
I have been posting the mantra and if anybody wants me to join them on a forum they have been posting on, just let me know I have already been banned from one mainstream forum today and I am (itching for a fight)
#5 by Pain on 11/11/2006 - 6:19 pm
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Here is something very simple to add if anyone challenges genocide: International Jurists determined in 1960 that China committed “genocide” in Tibet just by [i]shutting down Tibetan monasteries and religious schools.[/i]
Add to that the fact that there are more than 100 million aliens in the USA (1 in 3 inhabitants), California went down from 98% white in the 1930’s to about 40% white today, the Associated Press online projects that at current rates whites will be a minority by 2043, the UK Government project that Britons will be a minority in Britain by around 2060.
If Communist China committed genocide according to international law by shutting down schools, then how is the largest invasion in the history of the world not?!
#6 by Pain on 11/11/2006 - 7:29 pm
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Lord Nelson,
Try here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58917&page=30&pp=20
#7 by Pain on 11/11/2006 - 8:26 pm
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More commentary on Bob’s Mantra.
There is an advantage to saying “everybody” and “genocide.” It leads to control of the argument. People have never heard of such before and they think it is outrageous so they think it will be an easy win to debate. They are thinking that it is not just politically incorrect, but outrageously incorrect. Believing it an easy win, they will keep coming back to the word “genocide.” Each time they do allows you to add something new to the debate and constant repetition of the concept genocide.
Thus even when you do not respond, they are repeating what we want over and over again. They may think they have won — by repeating out word genocide. This is how getting them to adopt our language is so valuable.
Another fun tactic is the withholding of proof until later. Simplifying remarks tends to make it stand out and sound outrageous. Maybe there’s a fact or a figure which really proves our argument. They will deny the fact. Wait. They will say, “See you can’t prove it.” Then they will commit there entire argument to that fact which they think you cannot prove. Once they have, come back with the proof. Then they have to change tactics, which they will again and again.
This is the joy of the internet. Years ago, you would have had to clip every article you read with scissors and you would have to take notes from every you book read to prove anything. Now there’s Google.
Even so, Bob’s way is best. Stick to facts that are obvious so you don’t have to prove anything. This is called prima facie evidence, by the way. It’s used in court.
Facts and figures from the internet should never become a way to justify yourself. Bob’s right: we should never justify ourselves. Keep statements simple and you won’t have to. But facts and figures can be thrown in for some fun — toillustrate the obvious.
#8 by Mark on 11/11/2006 - 10:23 pm
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Excellent point, Peter. I just saved your post alongside Bob’s Mantra to use.
I’m glad we have you here. When we need an insightful answer to an objection you are worth your weight in gold.
#9 by Mark on 11/11/2006 - 10:25 pm
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Peter, sorry. I didn’t mean to infer that ALL you’re good for is answering objections.
#10 by Edwin on 11/12/2006 - 7:20 pm
You can almost guage your effectivness with the Mantra by checking how often your opponant mentions a figure or tries to draw you into a discussion of history. The more esoteric they start to sound the more helpless they are – desperately trying to get out of the vice you have them in.