My Rebel Flag
I was raised under the Confederate flag. Most of the people I knew lived under the Union under protest, in that they wished we had won the War.
The Confederate flag went up over the South Carolina in 1963, the year that South Carolina was forced to integrate its first school. This was NOT a coincidence. To me, the Confederate flag was NEVER our dead ancestor’s flag; it was MINE.
If you want to put into three words what my Rebel Flag is NOT, they are these:
“Heritage not Hate.” Those three words contain a BOOK full of misstatements.
First of all, “Hate” is the word applied by our ENEMIES to anybody who has the slightest concern about the survival of the white race. From “Heritage Not Hate” it is a tiny step to driveling about how one is not against intermarriage. To prove one is no “racist.”
There is no excuse. We ALL know what “Hater” means today.
If all a flag means to one is dead people, then you should bury it with them. The giggling pro-Confederates came up with what, by them, was a BRILLIANT ploy. They replaced the rectangular Confederate flag of my youth with the old SQUARE battle flag. A flag actually went into battle then, and a diagonal flag shredded too easily. So, to demonstrate that their flag was only relevant to dead people, they made it square.
I have no more identification with that square flag than I do with any other alien flag TODAY. The only point of an ugly square flag is to show that it only applies to the dead.
I am a Rebel. I do not identify with ANY flag because they are all in an alliance dedicated to genocide against my RACE. Like every flag today (except Nepal’s which is not square), my Starry Cross is a rectangular flag, and it stands for rebellion TODAY. It was prominent all over Eastern Europe when they REBELLED against the Soviet Union. Nobody in Eastern Europe gave a damn about MY “heritage.” They had a heritage of their own that was much older.
MY REBEL FLAG IS THE ONLY WHITE SYMBOL THAT CAN LEGALLY BE FLOWN IN ANY COUNTRY ON EARTH.
MY Rebel Flag is the symbol of TOMORROW, not yesterday.
#1 by shari on 05/22/2007 - 11:49 am
I have one of those flags, folded, in a drawer, ready to be unfurled when the time comes!
#2 by richard on 05/22/2007 - 12:21 pm
I’ve often thought that America’s problem (and Britain’s to a lesser extent) is that the people have been taught to see themselves always as ‘winners’. There’s been no humiliating, cleansing defeat. This has made the work of those who want to defile and subvert White America, much easier.
The rebel Southerners were the only Americans to understand what defeat feels like, to understand what it means to live under an occupying power. That’s why Southern nationalism will survive when the USA has been destroyed and swallowed up by the North American Union.
#3 by Dave on 05/22/2007 - 1:38 pm
Richard,
I beg to disagree. Defeat is the worst possible thing that can happen to a people. The defeat of the Confederacy terminated the cause of freedom in the United States, and America has never recovered.
It was a real and abiding defeat.
As for the idea that there is something cleansing about defeat, look at the Saudi’s in comparison to the Egyptians.
The Saudi’s have never been defeated. They are a tall, healthy, proud people. They wear the whitest robes in all of Araby. They are far more confident than our Jewish controlled MSM would have you believe.
Compare them to the tiny, frail, beat down Egyptians who have no pride. All the Egyptians have ever known is defeat. There is nothing cleansing about defeat. Accordingly, Egypt is one giant sewer, literally.
Victory is for real, and defeat is for real. That’s what makes our struggle so desperate.
#4 by shari on 05/22/2007 - 3:26 pm
I think that Richard is right. Defeat or death is a built in principal of the world. “Except a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone, but if it die, it brings forth much fruit.” Political Correctness can only deceive for so long,not forever. That doesn’t mean the fight is not deadly serious or that we need not be involved in it.
#5 by Mark on 05/22/2007 - 3:48 pm
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Bob, here in Missouri the Southern Cross stood for nothing but rebellion. We were neither pro- Confederate or pro-Union, we just wanted to stay the hell out of the war. Mr. Lincoln ordered Missouri to launch our troops against the South and we refused, on grounds that it was unconstitutional. Mr. Lincoln did what most coward/cry-babies do when they don’t get their way — he sent German Marxist aliens fresh from the boats to Missouri and invaded us. When we joined the Confederacy we had one goal: kill every stinkin’ Unionist in state and send the rest packing. And for those that didn’t realize it, we stayed a slave state throughout the war — even under Union control.
I have diffuculty supporting the confederacy. If it were not for the Southern plantation owners there would have been no negroes brought to N. America. I can’t find fault with the farmers, but it would have made life a lot easier if all the nappy headed ho’s and their thievin’, rapin’, lootin’, and murderin’ brothers would have been left in Africa.
I own 3 Southern Cross flags and one Stars and Bars. When I unfurl them I think of nothing but rebellion. I don’t think KKK or hate the blacks. I think of how good it would be if we were really in control of our nation and not a country of puppets. I think how nice it would be if white men actually had the balls to stand up for what was right for a change.
#6 by Pain on 05/22/2007 - 10:41 pm
Mark-
The slaves were brought in by New England slavers. They had the ships. The Puritan societies distilled the rum which they traded for slaves which they traded in the Caribbean for sugar which they distilled into rum. Over time, they sold the slaves here too. If it weren’t for them, there would have been no blacks here.
The Southern planters would have done without.
#7 by richard on 05/23/2007 - 6:36 am
Dave,
What I mean is that if you’ve been defeated and occupied, you will retain a burning hatred for your enemies, and a strong desire to keep your culture alive and gain your revenge in the future. If you’re a ‘winner’ you get lazy and complacent.
Look at the Serbs or the Poles – occupied for hundreds of years, they kept their language and culture alive underground.
#8 by Mark on 05/23/2007 - 7:39 am
Yes, all true Peter, but if the Southerners had stolen a line from Nancy Reagan and just said no we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
It’s like blaming the drug dealers for the drug addict’s problems. The seller is bad enough but the buyer has free will to refuse the offer. And with talk of freeing the slaves popping up every few years coupled with intimate knowledge of the negro psyche I can’t help but believe the plantation owners weren awar of the future turmoil they were creating.
It’s similar to the dealers today (congress) trying to bring in the slaves (illegal aliens) from Mexico so the plantation owners (big business) can benefit from cheap labor. Everyone involved knows that crime, disease, welfare abuse, and anti-white hate will soon follow, but the corporation/plantation owners have put immediate gain ahead of future reason.
#9 by Papillon on 05/23/2007 - 9:47 am
I take it the “diagonal” flag is a rectangular Confederate flag?
This is our rebel flag: http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/Papillon_bucket/eureka_flag.jpg
#10 by Bob on 05/23/2007 - 12:25 pm
Papillon, thanks, corrected.
Is there a point to your personal flag that is of use to our cause?
#11 by TheHammer on 05/23/2007 - 12:27 pm
Actually, Richard is right. Go back and read his first paragraph. That says it all. I am sure he is right. When you get the idea that your doodoo don’t stink, you start to walk around with your head in the air and your hands at your sides. Oh, if you will, and your legs spread wide open. Not smart if you’re going into combat.
“This has made the work of those who want to defile and subvert White America much easier.” That’s what Richard said. I think he’s right. Read the whole paragraph and all of what he had to say. Then come to your conclusion.
I have thought the same thing that Richard has expressed here and there is nothing “defeatist” in that thought. When the schoolyard bully has whipped everybody and is convinced that his ass cannot be whupped, rest assured he is not watching that cat over there in the corner that is working out and getting ready to come whallop his ass good and proper. That was me when I was a kid. Not the bully. The kid working out. I was scared. But I knew I had to enter combat with the bully because that’s who I am. Whole nations can be like that. They can be the bully and they can be the kid who is working out over in the corner getting ready to stomp some serious ass.
Richard is right. We got to the point where we think our doodoo don’t stink. But you know what gives us away, right?
#12 by Mark on 05/24/2007 - 9:20 am
“Is there a point to your personal flag that is of use to our cause?”
Yes, Bob, there is. If you use the Confederacy as a benchmark for what white America stands for then we’re back where we started, namely, creating our own problems. ONE of the causes of the war was the arrogant stance the Confederacy took on advancing slavery into the new territories as they became states. They wanted to spread slavery which would have spread negro breeding throughout the southwest. Eventually slavery would have been eliminated and the negro problem would have been far worse much sooner.
If you see the flag as a symbol of rebelion and nothing but, then we don’t have the baggage of the Klan to carry around. If you see it as a symbol of what was lost in the war then you have to lay partial blame on the South for today’s negro problem. I’m tired of heritage not hate but I’m also tired of hearing how grand and wonderful the Confederacy was. The Confederacy had their fools for politicians just like the Union did — and that is what we can learn from and use today.
#13 by shari on 05/24/2007 - 11:38 am
I don’t think that anybody wants the confederacy, back, exactly as it was. Never the less, it still was the last time Americans stood up and said NO to tyranny. That’s what needs rekindled.
#14 by Tim on 05/24/2007 - 12:44 pm
Great posts and a lively discussion. There were people on both sides of the War that were right (the ones that DID NOT want War and Yes there were Yankees that considered the Southerners brothers….). There were folks on both sides of the War that were dead WRONG (for instance the Southern Elites that wanted plantations all over the West and Mexico and to staff them with a gazillion blacks).
Low cost labor has always plagued the West and that is the main lesson. Whether they be the Helots of Greece, the Slave problems of Rome, The Negro problem in America and the current Mexican-NeoHelot problem. They are all Bad and always cost us. That is what we must understand. Furthermore, we don’t need em. We have robots and automation (this reinforces our edge of technological innovation).
We can paint robots black or put Sombreros on them if it means that much! I prefer to keep the robots white…..But I am biased. Case solved. Arguing over the past is futile. We are becoming ONE BIG White Tribe and the Rebels will have their place. I am not out to save flags or land. You can recreate Southern Culture on Mars…..as long as there are WHITE REBELS there.
I am out for the long term preservation and stability of OUR TRIBE. And that is ALL I am interested in.
#15 by Pain on 05/24/2007 - 2:28 pm
On the black slavery thing again and who had greater guilt: the Northeast or the South. Nobody, whether Northerners, Southerners, or Western partisans, thought they were fighting for blacks or slavery.
On the Northeast:
They brought the blacks to the US.
They kept black slaves, too.
Virginia and other states tried to free themselves from black slavery, but the Northeast would not let them.
The Northeast kept slavery going in the US since they were making money off it.
Slavery was protected by the Constitution of the USA.
When in 1861 slavery threatened to be no longer profitable, they started a war to keep the money flowing north.
Their answer to the race problem was to loose blacks onto everyone.
They brought blacks into the North and West during the 1900s by the tens of millions.
On the South:
Inherited the system.
Kept blacks as slaves, watching over their needs and keeping them out of trouble.
The South became the home for blacks.
When Southerners moved West, they left their blacks in the South.
The Confederates were rebels against military invasion.
Summary:
The Northeast ran the slave-trade, brought blacks to the South, kept slavery going in the South, then brought blacks to the rest of the country.
Had the South stayed free, none of this would have happened. The invasion of the Third World here would have been much harder if the country were all white.
It is important to set the record straight without losing sight of what is most important (remember I am from out West). Bob the Southern nationalist sets the record straight, but he get along so well with good people up North that he is an “honorary Boston Southy,” and he is right now in New Jersey.
#16 by Pain on 05/24/2007 - 2:30 pm
Tim says: “I am out for the long term preservation and stability of OUR TRIBE. And that is ALL I am interested in.”
Of course he’s right.
#17 by Mark on 05/25/2007 - 9:03 am
“The Northeast ran the slave-trade, brought blacks to the South, kept slavery going in the South, then brought blacks to the rest of the country.”
Partialy true. You make it sound as if the NE MADE the South buy the blacks, which is not the case. Had the Southerners not been shortsighted and greedy they would not have bought the slaves in the first place. And one of the reasons for the war was the fact that the Southern states were not allowed to expand slavery into the western territories. As I said before: If the South had not bought the slaves in the first place there would have been no slave market for the NE’ers to capitalize on, and today we would not have the negro problem.