mderpelding says:
There is one problem with this whole discussion.
The concepts of left and right and liberal and conservative and republican and democrat all have NO MEANING. If you are still discussing our political/existential situation in those terms you are STILL part of the problem.
All those above terms are meaningless and deadly in a multiracial polity. You have minorities practicing racial politics behind the facade of unity politics.
Ah, yes, the political terminology of yesteryear. We can, nevertheless, in this transition period from Petty Party Politics to Racial Politics, use these terms to suit our needs. Conservative? If you want to categorize verbose fools of the William Buckley School, include a racial adjective and an additional: “Respectable White Conservative Fools.” Bring race into the picture.
Are you a Respectable White Conservative Fool? Nice to meet you, anytime you want to get serious about the future we must have a chit chat.
ME:
Thanks, Hardric, for getting us out of the swamp.
I talked about the swamp before. What I have to say here is difficult to explain. So when someone starts critiquing the only language I have at my disposal, all it does is trip me up. I end up neck-deep in the swamp, off track.
It is like when I try to explain the nature of power as I understand it, which is my function in BUGS, and somebody informs me that the other side is very large and very powerful or gives me another lecture about how this is a RACIAL struggle or any of a hundred ways to sound profound and get the discussion off track.
Our problem with Stormfront is that it is at least 90% swamp.
WE cannot do anything about the white birth rate, so Al’s telling me we might as well close up shop if whites don’t have more children is pure swamp stuff. It’s certainly a concern. The question is whether it is a concern that we should deal with HERE, or is it just taking attention off of what we CAN do something about?
#1 by Al Parker on 06/30/2007 - 4:04 pm
BUGS is important, but there needs to be a big-tent type of meeting place, a “ground zero” for pro-whites, and SF fills that need to a large extent. However, I think it would help if the moderators gave the forum some direction towards improving its content.
I’m still convinced the swamp people of Stormfront are not so much the product of the swamp, but rather people that are attracted to it for one reason or another, as you can read in the Character Issue article I posted a while back.
Since I am conscious now of what I’m doing, I won’t contribute to the problem, and I’ll reiterate your points for you:
1. Let us concentrate on what we can deal with here and now and make a note of — but put aside for now — the things we cannot yet deal with.
2. Let us think about and try to understand the points raised on this blog and avoid answering with red herrings, platitudes, nay-saying and the techniques of the Masturbation Generation.
#2 by mderpelding on 07/01/2007 - 12:32 am
We HAVE to move our racial bretheren to action.
It will take mental force, physical force, and intellectual force to accomplish our goals.
We need a new religion.
Our concern is our FUTURE.
And SURVIVAL.
To say you cannot do anything about the birth rate is the ultimate surrender.
A world full of white people has got to be better than a world full of black people.
At least for us white people.
“cannot” is unacceptable.
That’s a third world excuse.
#3 by Hardric on 07/01/2007 - 9:15 am
Certainly, any healthy White Male with a willing and fertile White Female can do something about the birth rate.
One baby at a time.
We all understand that there cannot be a White Future without White People. This is certainly not mysterious.
But everything that happens in this world is based on on how things are in the world around us. Our surroundings. Our milieu. This is what Bob is dealing with. We can preach at people to do anything but if the proper environment exists, the preaching will not even be necessary. If it does not exist, the preaching will fall on deaf ears.
So the task that Bob addresses is to stay away from the Swamp of Uncertainty or the Slough of Despair, as John Bunyan might say, and to tackle the concepts necessary to build the milieu we need.
So, far from surrendering or making excuses, Bob is expressing some of the best ideas I have ever seen to take us where we need to be.
The rest will follow.
#4 by Tim on 07/01/2007 - 5:01 pm
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“WE cannot do anything about the white birth rate, so Al’s telling me we might as well close up shop if whites don’t have more children is pure swamp stuff. It’s certainly a concern. The question is whether it is a concern that we should deal with HERE, or is it just taking attention off of what we CAN do something about?”
Good point. Al was sounding like ole Patrick Buchanan. “We gotta out breed the brownies and the yella’s”.
LOL. Whites have always had lower birthrates. Have Whites ever outnumbered non-whites? NO. Furthermore, I have a feeling BW’s call of “radical population decline” being the BIG headline in the future. When the White tribes start looking out for OUR TRIBES. Who’s gonna feed em all? I do not see Russians running around feeding and adopting brown kids. Do you? That will be all of us in the future.
One last point that has bothered me about the birthrate argument. We have never out bred a tribe. We just kill’em. Did the Spanish outbreed the South American tribes? NO. Did the Greeks out breed the Persians? NO. Did we out breed the American Indians? NO.
Our survival is defense related to a frightening degree. I would say we are 80% dependent on defense and only 20% dependant on birthrates. Our big edge of technological innovation tends to run quickest down a defense path. Ironically, even this Internet came about by scientists connected to defense. First rule of any Tribe is Know Thyself. (Why is it that the planet lines up to buy weapons from us and the Russians? What do we and the Russians have in common? Maybe some Aryan genes? Nah this is just cultural coincidence.)
Funny even well read men like Patrick B. who know that RACE matters will slip into the trap with the birthrate argument. Race is real and it matters in all things.
My economic professor (Macro) used to sit there and say “ceterus perebus” every damn day. This translates as “all things being equal”. When in the hell is anything ever equal? In theory, the East Asians have a higher number of bright people. They have best etc. etc. etc. But they are still lining up to buy weapons from us and the Russians. Even in things like competitive computer programming. The Russians are beating the stuffing out of Bill Gates supposedly superior and numerous Indian and Chinese programmers. Ceterus Perebus only applies to the damn classroom. In the world, Race is everything.
Should we bring up White birthrates. Sure. But Bob’s right. We have no power over that at this moment. So why not stay focused and concentrate on what has been working for us. Even Al’s gotta admit we got ole Ann Coulter using our G word (genocide). Maybe I am just young and naive…….but that is progress read by millions. And all this over our Internet invention which was the byproduct of some white scientists working on defense related stuff.