Archive for July, 2007
Who Decides?
Posted by Bob in Coaching Session on 7/25/2007
I have drummed in the fact that ALL statemetns need the words IN MY OPINION understood in them THROUGHOUT, eg, “to promote love and brotherhood” reduces you to a retard unless you insert ” to promote what, IN MY OPINION, is love and brotehrhood.”
I have drummed in the fact that you must always ask “Why is he SAYING this?” If a person is saying blacks are nice to make blacks feel good, it has nothing to do with whether blacks are nice or not.
On the latter point a lot of peole say they believe in God becuase they could not live without faith. As C.S. Lewis said, one must believe, not for some other reason, but because it is TRUE.
Another rule, related to the first, is WHO DECIDES. A lot of people want to deal with drug abuse by saying they condemn all use of ILLEGAL drugs. This assumes that LEGAL has a mystic meaning. In the real world it is a matter of presure groups and the income AND POWER of the medical profession.
Just as many policemen want gun control to be sure they are the only high school granduates in town who can carry a gun, many doctors want to be shirt-tail Napoleans.
In South Carolina, SLED (South Carolina Law Enforcement Division) is a state-financed lobby for gun control. I hope I don’t have to explain this after the above.
Informative Stormfront Reply
Posted by Bob in How Things Work on 7/24/2007
America’s ascent to be a superpower was mostly attributable to our vast natural resources. That’s what made the USSR the other superpower.
B…s…t!
Japan has as high a per capita income as the US and has NO resources.
After the USSR fell and reality came we out found out that the whole USSR economy was HALF that of the Netherlands.
Didn’t Mommy Professor teach you any arithmetic?
We have a geographical problem-our long border with Mexico. It’s thousands of miles and tough to control unless we have cops standing elbow to elbow.
Good God, man, learn some arithmetic. It is two thousand miles long. That’s one mile for each ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND AMERICANS, over two Americans per INCH.
The entire protection area, the straight line, around the lower fifty states is ten thousand miles long, with Thirty THOUSAND Americans for each mile.
Antis don’t do arithmetic and they can’t think. The Communists sealed border longer than that to keep their people IN, though no anti ever criticizes that. Their economies and technology were tiny compared to ours.
Arithmetic again. To repeat what Mommy Professor didn’t tell you, after the USSR fell and reality came out we found out that the whole USSR economy was HALF that of the Netherlands.
Go ballistic and then listen. When you and the Moonie Washington Times scream that our border guard is the same as the Berlin Wall, let me explain to you, as I did to them, that ALL Communist countries shoot people to keep them IN that prison. We have border guards to keep people OUT, which is the right of every nation.
And, yes, to protect your border, you have the right to shoot. We probably won’t have to shoot ANYBODY if we make it clear we WILL. Even if we do, the casualties during learning time will be less than Mexicans who die in the desert entering illegally.
Once we get serious, things like the USSR and illegal immigration stop.
UnregisteredSam: America’s ascent to be a superpower was mostly attributable to our vast natural resources. That’s what made the USSR the other superpower. Look for the former USSR to partially or wholly reunite again under a different name. Eventually, they’ll realize it’s in their interest to do so. It will take years.
Some of us are still ardent patriots. I didn’t put 6 years in the Navy because I hated the USA. I almost made it a career.
Perhaps, but Henry was also a virulent Anti-Semite, so I won’t praise him. Most of the Jews I know still refuse to buy a Ford automobile. I can’t condemn them for that.
We have a geographical problem-our long border with Mexico. It’s thousands of miles and tough to control unless we have cops standing elbow to elbow. That would be expensive. The US taxpayers might stage a revolt.(probably a peaceful one)
The Way Not Taken
The Way Not Taken
Add YET to that title above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaoX_SgNO70
The one thing I have DEFINITELY to offer you that you cannot get elsewhere is INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY.
This is CRITICAL now. We live in the age where the liberalism of my youth is totally discredited. More important, we have the KGB man link cited above. Our job is to GO BACK and, as commenters have pointed out, DEPROGRAM today’s society.
Which makes institutional memory critical. Our society is based on forgetting what we thought BEFORE programming.
In 1954, blacks had a chance to concentrate on equalizing their schools or integrating. Black leaders had no children in the public schools. Further the NAACP had never had a single black president. Both groups wanted integration uber alles.
At that moment in history, Southern whites would have done ANYTHING to avoid integration. Before the 1954 Supreme Court decision, Governor Byrnes had pushed through our first sales tax specifically to [w]in North Carolina, [where] the average black teacher pay was higher than the white. Affirmative action notwithstanding, that is no longer true.
In other words, in 1954 whites were ready to DEAL.
No longer. The fact is that integration is MUCH easier for Southerners than it is for Northerners. The rich folks whose children used to go to high tone public schools before 1954 send them to private schools now. No way Southerners would take a tax hike now to avoid mixing. The ones who COUNT are avoiding it now.
That was the road not taken. The NAACP concentrated on integrating upper class restaurants, getting whites used to future genocide, and now while the black community is more desperate than ever, all they talk about is the Confederate flag.
Black leaders and limousine liberals do not SEE the crack areas and the ghetto schools. The education establishment does very well indeed. In the District of Columbia over ten thousand dollars is spent PER PUPIL, 99%of them black. But nobody puts his child into one of those disasters voluntarily. I once saw Amy Carter standing in the school yard with two Secret Service agents standing beside her. The Carters bragged they sent THEIR child to DC schools. I know a lot of judges who ordered busing, and I have never heard of ONE whose grandchildren were not in private schools.
BUT EVERYTHING OLD IS NEW AGAIN.
Blacks lost their opportunity. Blacks who could be employed have benefited from the help of their (relatively) high-income leadership and job quotas, but for the mass of blacks, things are worse than ever except for welfare checks.
But after fifty years and more of dealing with an anti-white obsessed black leadership, we are SLOWLY GETTING into a position to DEAL. What does not now exist is what was in place in 1954, a WHITE leadership.
Those who speak for whites, AS WHITES, will rule the future.
Immigration and white birth rates will not make the future. I was raised in a white minority. I spent a lot of time in Africa, where whites vastly outnumbered.
As the antis show every day, whites now make a weak, anti-white majority. But as a minority we will be more powerful than any minority in history. I look forward to the day when our national debt will be paid by corporations whose history is hunted down on VCRs and archives, and every anti-white act will be paid for as it deserves, with a small cut to the people doing the searching.
Who will protect today’s rich liberals and their heirs? Those who rushed to join the anti line when it became popular? Non-whites? They will have their OWN spokesmen, and the Teddy Kennedy and William Buckley types will be OUR business, not THEIRS.
It will be a variant of the Titanic, as today’s antis try to get on the white lifeboat.
We racists don’t KEEP records of antis. But when it PAYS to expose them, they are on the record, loud and clear, on the PUBLIC record. No anti[s] need fear [a racist] speaking up. When it PAYS, people will find them on the PUBLIC record. That was done on a small sale in the post-Reconstruction South. That is done by anti-racists to former racists today.
But the record in the 1880s and today is miniscule compared to the public record available in the near future. Each sell-out who tries to board the lifeboat has a [t]rail behind him that I, as one who spent a long time in Intelligence, [knows] is more detailed and will be more detailed than anyone can imagine.
We don’t do this for money, but society is not [only] vengeful, it is greedy. For every person who is ruined the way anti-racists want racists ruined, out of revenge, a hundred antis and their heirs will pay vastly for room on the boat. No blacks will want them. No Hispanics will want them. They will have their OWN boats. There is only one lifeboat for the anti-white whites, and it will be full of ANGRY, GREEDY people.
And I want it to be that way. My entire life has been ruined by anti-white whites, and I want to look forward to the day when they pay and pay and pay. I don’t hate minorities, [or] even Jews. But I DO HATE TRAITORS.
Especially the ones who act innocent, “Well, I’m just going along with what Mommy Professor said, and so is everybody else. That’s safe.”
Not i[f] I can help it, you son of a bitch.
Jewish Communists or Communist Jews?
Posted by Bob in Coaching Session, History on 7/23/2007
Jews who are Communists or Communists Who are Jews?
That former KGB man on the Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaoX_SgNO70
gives me a breakthrough here. He explains so much I have been trying to explain. One of the things I keep saying, but can’t get across, is HOW pure hatred destroys the hater.
This is not a moral statement. This is not a theoretical statement. This is a statement from a person who has practiced hard core power politics for half a century, and made his living at it.
I have repeatedly told you that the Jews who made Europe import the third world have cut their own throats. Europe is now being populated by people who make Hitler’s hatred of the Jews seem impersonal. The Arabs’ hatred has no chance of drifting away once a Fuhrer passes away.
The third world in the UN is now a solidly anti-Israeli bloc, yet it was Jews who made this possible with their anti-colonialism. Now the American LEFT is becoming anti-Semitic as Bush fights for Israel.
As Kissinger said, “A people that has been persecuted for two thousand years is doing something WRONG.”
It is no accident that, while Jews in general are in the midst of a population implosion worse than that of Europe, the Hassidim multiply the way Americans did in earlier days. It is no accident that, BY FAR, the solidest bloc of voters for conservative Republicans are, of all people, JEWS, Hassidic Jews.
Communists made no progress among Hassidic Jews. Demoralization found no support there. But demoralization and Communism are both the products of the HATING Jewish mentality. Franz Boas and Boas Marx had the HATING ethic, though both abandoned Judaism itself.
Now Jews are shouting about “the silent genocide,” THEIR OWN marriage of gentiles. But their children are only following the doctrine of race mixing hating Jews laid out. Hassidic Jews won’t even let a gentile into their house, much less MARRY them.
To SURVIVE, one must DISCRIMINATE.
Is this the fault of Jewish who became Communists or of Communists, including the gentiles who became Communists.
The side of Judaism that concentrated on how evil everybody else was led to Communism and race-mixing, and that same Communism and race-mixing is destroying the part of the Jewish community which concentrates on past persecutions and getting white gentiles back for it.
So which came first, the chicken or its rotten egg?
Neither. Hate came first. The Devil came first.
Shoot Them Comment on Youtube
Posted by Bob in Coaching Session on 7/22/2007
The KGB gentleman said the people whose ideas the KGB promoted were DESTRUCTIVE. In other words, they were useful fools.
The KGB man then said that what astonishes the “intellectuals” who were their allies is that the first thing the Commies did when was shoot them.
These are people who are specifically selected because they have insane and DESTRUCTIVE ideas. When you are destroying the enemy, you want insane and destructive people in the enemy country. But what happens when it is YOUR country? The first thing you do is shoot the people whom you have, at considerable cost, identified as destructive and nuts.
This is NOT rocket science. But I wish SOMEONE would REALIZE this without me explaining it. Don’t tell me about monasteries. Points like this – making the “other side” realize how stupid they are, that they are useful fools – are CRITICAL.
If we concentrate on making those who follow fashionable opinion to realize that fashionable opinion is made PRECISELY because it is insane and destructive, it will accomplish what we are ABOUT: showing these clowns what they REALLY look like.
All that is right there in what was said in a few minutes of Youtube, but I am afraid that no one will THINK of it but me.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, LISTEN and, above all, THINK!
Thank You, Tim!
Posted by Bob in Coaching Session on 7/21/2007
This is a ‘must watch’ for all commenters on this blog. This (and the other you tube videos by this former KGB man) are great. They explain the WHY’s and HOW’s of this new world order brainwashing. One of the most educational things I have seen in a LONG time. The internet has been out now for 10 years……it takes 15-20 years for ‘active measures’ to wear off. No wonder Stormfront is booming on Alexis ratings.
Must Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaoX_SgNO70
– Tim
ME –
It was such a relief for me to watch another pro! This top KGB man was explaining that only about 15% of their effort went into espionage while 85% of it went directly into promoting the exact thinking that we are trying to unprogram here, “It wasn’t us doing it to Americans. It was AMERICANS doing it to the Americans.”
And it was to DESTROY an ENEMY, not to present an “alternative point of view.”
Hence deconstructionism and multiculuralism and anti-racism to undermine the ENEMY’S thinking. He could not MENTION that last two on American television, but they were major planks of the platform. I was THERE.
There was nothing theoretical about this. The KGB threw its REAL efforts into promoting that thinking. Their REAL resources were thrown into it. “We got it to the point where you could take someone and SHOW them a concentration camp and they wouldn’t believe it.”
THAT is where a PRO concentrated the REAL resources that the USSR had. They found the weak spots in our thinking and opened them up. I am thanking Tim because it was such a PERSONAL relief to me to hear another PROFESSIONAL talk so freely.
There is a Catch-22 here. The Catch-22 is that the people this is being broadcast to are the very ones WHO ARE THE END PRODUCT of the way of thinking all that effort went into promoting. He is showing them the concentration camp and they don’t believe it.
That is why I keep grabbing you by the ears and trying to get you to understand just how insane the thinking WAS, that anyone who didn’t BELIEVE that all other social animals had no rank order in their societies and had no territorial instinct like man does with nationalism was declared an anti-intellectual and anaziwhowantedtokillsixmillionjews.
These things HAPPENED. They’re on the record. But if the establishment wants bygones to be bygones, conservatives and “Christians” are their obedient servants. Everything liberalism was based on in the 1960s is what conservatism insists on today.
LISTEN to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaoX_SgNO70
Listen to it over and over. If you have all day, listen to it once for each YEAR I watched this “demoralization” process take over.
It’s several minutes long. Once for each of over forty years. That’s all day for each of my YEARS.
But at least I got the relief of listening to someone in my own league talk, instead of some idiot telling me that Jehovah will take care of things on one side and Marx will take care of things on the other.
Communists allied with the groups that were already doing the job on their enemies, the Americans. So don’t give me the “You’re just saying it was ONLY Communists, but it’s the Jews and the Bilderbergers” line.
Listen. Think. And for your pet theories, go elsewhere.
But at least I got the relief of hearing someone in my own league.
Tim and Simmons, A+ !
Posted by Bob in Coaching Session on 7/19/2007
The drug issue is a race issue. It is also rooted in Wordism. I want the Wordist’s to be stigmatized more and more. “Blood before Money and Wordism” should be our motto. And that should be Stormfront’s Motto on the front page.
Puritans and other Wordist’s can get their own thread BUT they cannot dictate control over other threads. I don’t mind Puritanical Pilgrims in the struggle BUT they must be loyal to OUR TRIBE before they are loyal to the Pilgrims. If not, no leadership position for them and squelch them out!
Hmmm, maybe we should tell the Stormfronters that Wordism is a Jewish Conspiracy. That would go like wildfire and may be our solution once and for all!
I despise Wordism more and more each day……….and it does not matter what the word is. It is literally the sole cause of all ills on this planet. I have been in the habit of saying to people in an argument:”If only we believe your words than the world will be ok…right? Well I don’t believe in Wordism and it does not matter what the Word is”. Everyone seems to be a little thrown off by that. On this blog, we just tend to be more grown up than the average spoon fed fool…..even if some of us are younger. Wordism is a plague on my Aryan brain.
If I ever write a book it will be titled “Zen and the Art of Anti-Wordism”
– Tim
Tautology a peculiar Jewish trait passed on to the more primitive of Earth’s inhabitants. No decent white man takes it up, and if he/she is in particular somewhat literate they reject tautology and the bastard children such as Freudian techniques of “debate.” The East Asians never seem to belabor failed nostrums and White men of any intelligence quickly apply Occam’s
law to anything worthwhile or they take up PC wordism AND THEN FADE FROM SIGHT (Bob’a caps). For instance, have youseen Jack Kemp lately? We are deprogramming a cult here with its emotive appeal and reward system. It takes asking the right questions, providing the right amount of
scepticism to the wordist answers and then providing the correct line of reasoning, or we belabor till death with little to show for it like the people at Amren providing for the millionth time some statistic about some non-white perfidy.
–Simmons
ME:
This is wonderful SEMINAR work!
Your anecdotes and opinions are always welcme,but here we have intellectual WORK. It is WORK that comes from thikng over wha is orignial HERE.
Above all, it ties OUR seminar concepts together. It connects up our world view without referring to Nietzche or some tome or tryng to make some other sale that the person would have mentioned if I had never been born. It is Occam’s Razor in action.
Your opinions and observations are always welcome here. We need it, and don’t hold back. But remember that if you want to ramble, you have the whole world to ramble in.
The seminar part, what I have to offer you, is dedicated to WORK on the SUBJECT that we have HERE. You are not here to as Bob’s Disciple. This blog, HERE, is coach trying to get some basic concepts across and get you on the road to EXPANDING in them and CREATING while USING them.
Tim and Simmons have done just that.
Jesus Versus Mommy Professor
Posted by Bob in Coaching Session, History on 7/18/2007
What I consider THE Testament describes the life of Jesus from his birth. But the last we hear of him until his ministry is when he was a twelve-year-old talking with the Priests of the Temple. There is almost twenty years of dead silence about his life.
This is critical. Jesus already knew all of the theology and Old Testament and the Law and all the rest that “Christians” keep quoting and reading and demanding that people read. He knew more abut that stuff than the scholars on the spot did, both in Greek and in Hebrew.
That was where Jesus STARTED. Twenty years later he came out making bald, simplistic-sounding statements. All of them were in Aramaic, the language of the people. If Jesus had not made them, most of those statements would be disowned by every theologian from Calvin to the Roman Curia.
“Christians” are sliding back into the Old Testament. The only differenceis that they call their High Priests theologians and ministers and bishops.
As Prometheus said, making things simple is HARD. If it took JESUS twenty years, we have a very large job to do.
Stormfront and Drugs
Posted by Bob in Coaching Session on 7/18/2007
On Stormfront, there is a big argument over whether Stormfront should ever allow anyone to even joke about “drug use.” The last entry so far is someone who thunderingly announces “we” are against condoning drug use.
As Kelso keeps reminding me, there is no such thing as a “we” here. Stormfront, as Kelso points out, does not EXIST in that sense. SF is for pro-whites to talk to each other.
That is Stormfront’s ONLY position, which is why we have vociferous members from Puritans to societal rebels with metal in their tongues and tatoos on their arms. We try to practice moderating, but not censorship, which those who wrote the first amendment expected any rational American to try to do.
WE, i.e., Stormfronters, even have a separate but equal section for antis, which is more than they will ever do for us.
I seriously doubt that in the four million posts we have now had on SF that more than ten writers would have denied me the use of drugs when I was injured or undergoing brain and heart surgery.
At this point one of Mommy Professor’s trainees would say, “Well, what we mean is ILLICIT drug use.”
But that is why my blog is called Bob’s Underground GRADUATE Seminar, BUGS. We call it GRADUATE because “This blog is for people who have outgrown their college education, whether they had one or not.”
So, while the rest of the world stops with that word “illicit,” BUGS thinking BEGINS where Mommy Professor leaves off. I would scold one of our team if he or she left it at that, and they jump right back on me when I get intellectually lazy like that.
What is “illicit?” It means something that has not been approved by someone in a doctor’s costume. There is a place to find the REAL backgrounds of doctors. It is shocking what they get away with. And every year doctors declare that what they said last year is wrong in some cases, which is GOOD. They are not Mommy Professors, if it doesn’t WORK, doctors often just throw it out, unlike social programs.
As for addiction, AA has a motto, “Recovery is not for people who NEED it, it is for people who WANT it.” Be it porn or drugs, society can TRY to protect the young from it. But you cannot practice multiculturalism by mixing cultures who take drugs as a matter of course and races whose only adjectives are “s…” and “f…ing” and THEN try to protect your children.
In other words, WE pro-whites are on the REAL issue here already. Before integration, drug abuse was largely restricted to blacks and Puerto Ricans. White Americans did not HAVE a drug problem outside of alcohol until the 1960s. And no country ever made as titanic an effort as Americans did to protect everybody from alcohol.
Alcohol is a DRUG, according to AA and NA. America, in fifty states and two hundred years and Prohibition, not to mention local option, has TRIED every method imaginable to restrict alcohol for generations, we have learned a lot of lessons, and we, being Americans, differ wildly about words like “illicit” and “abuse” that others simply make into law and no longer debate.
So is the answer simply to ban everybody who does not agree that all drugs are subject to the whim of a guy in a doctor suit? I’d be the first one out.
We, i.e. Americans, live in the ONLY country on this planet where our own pro-white point of view can be LEGALLY expressed, and here we are saying that no pro-white here should be allowed to SPEAK his opinion on drug use for fear of offending the Puritans or ruining the kiddies. If we go that way, SF would be put out of business tomorrow. Hell, this is the day of satellite communications, TODAY.
In Britain they ban any access to BUGS on library computers because it is “illicit.” I refuse to go down THAT road.
Let me save you the trouble: “What about NAMBLA? Do we have to allow people to push man-boy sex here, too?”
This is not a criticism of what I just said. I started out by saying that we have to have moderation, not censorship, and that is why being an active moderator, something I don’t have the guts to do, is so terribly difficult. No thundering generality will substitute for thought IF WE (ANY “we) ARE TO BE A FREE PEOPLE. That’s why a black country can never really be free.
I do not want to exclude people from Stormfront who do not agree with the medical establishment on drug use. It is their racial views that matter. When a people cannot distinguish between banning and decent distinctions, they are already slaves.
Prometheus
Posted by Bob in Coaching Session on 7/17/2007
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” doesn’t require a Masters, PhD or intimate knowledge of social science. Quantum science or Calculus didn’t need to be developed in order for Christs words to make sense. The people he preached to at the time had the faculties to be able to put that into practice.
The complexity in the argument “what is happiness”, is not based on the inherit complexity of the question, but the difficulty in keeping the answer SIMPLE.
Keeping things simple is HARD.
Arguing with ever increasing levels of complexity is EASY.
I’ve argued such questions with philosopher types and gotten into ever increasingly complex arguments, bringing in all manner of philosophers, theories, science etc.
It certaintly looks difficult, and impressive. But its EASY and LAZY.
Try doing that, and just keeping it simple, being able to nail the basic point and sticking to it. That’s HARD.
That requires a mental clarity and discipline that we aren’t taught at school.
ME:
“Keeping things simple is HARD.”
BRILLIANT!
AND an excellent example of doing just that!
Never Say Never?
Posted by Bob in How Things Work on 7/16/2007
Statistics teaches that everything has a FINITE probability, even if that probability is google to the google power squared.
I am sure SOMEBODY will say they don’t believe this statistics stuff, and I will believe them if they agree to take a flight in an AIRPLANE that was built entirely by people who “choose not to believe” in this statistics stuff, which is basic to ALL engineering.
So much for the BS.
So statistics says there is a probability that there is NEVER a case where something is absolutely certain in all cases. All things are POSSIBLE.
Strictly speaking, this is the LAST moment in time when the words ALL or NEVER can be used.
I use them. I refuse to give up the use of all and never and no one because they CANNOT be stringently true. I am open to contradiction, but there is a finite probability that we are all figments of each others’ imagination so the contradictions don’t exist either.
If people object to my use of these words, they really need to look at the BASICS. Strictly speaking, NO ONE should EVER use those words.
But to say that, I HAD to use those words. And there is a finite probability that statistics is a figment of its own imagination and those airplanes don’t really fly.
So let’s cut the crap.
Anti-Miscegenation Laws and Why is There a Fifteenth Amendment?
On the whole subject of antimiscegenation law, I read practically nothing that is accurate, as I explained below about wikipedia’s “The Future District of Columbia.”
The following explains the status of blacks, including in the Quaker State, which someone said abandoned its anti-intermarriage law in 1790. In 1856 blacks were not allowed on trolleys in Philadelphia:
http://www.primaryresearch.org/bh/research/lauranzano/index.php
When I lived in Massachusetts, I read a book written in 1867 called “The History of Slavery in Massachusetts.” Pasted on the inside of the cover was an 1867 book review, written in 1867, bemoaning the fact that someone would dredge all this up JUST when they had the South by the throat to punish for slavery.
In that volume I had a living witness to the abolition of the MA anti-intermarriage law in ****1863****.
It was SCHOOL SEGREGATION that the abolitionists fought and THAT was abolished in 1843, the date given for the 1963 act abolishing antimiscegenation law. I read the argument for integration in 1842 in the 1960s in a book called “Documents of American History.” This was the 1960s, and every document relating to American history was, as the author stated, there to prove that abolitionists were1960s integrationists. Trivia like the Constitution was left out.
In the 1960s, we said that integration would lead to intermarriage. Modern Opinion in 1960 said that integration had NOTHING TO DO WITH INTERMARRIAGE. In 1967 the Supreme Court abolished all laws against intermarriage.
This is such a continuum today that everybody who talks about intermarriage laws ALWAYS confuses them with antislavery laws, integration, as in the case of our commenter, and so forth.
We have the same problem with the very EXISTENCE of the Fifteenth Amendment, giving blacks the right to vote. According to present interpretation, the “right” to vote, LIKE THE RIGHT TO INTERMARRY, WAS already included in the fourteenth amendment.
Why IS there a fifteenth amendment? Not only was it assumed that the fourteenth did not give blacks the vote, much less marry whites, but it was harder to cheat through the fifteenth amendment than it was the fourteenth, even with all the congressmen from the Old Confederacy denied their seats and votes.
NO ONE ever thinks about WHY, if the fourteenth amendment gave “equal rights” to blacks, the fifteenth amendment EXISTS,
These were critical distinctions to earlier generations, even to the Radical Republicans. When THEY ruled the South during Reconstruction, THEY enforced antimiscegenation laws. It never occurred to ANYBODY then that integration and, God knows, intermarriage, could not be outlawed by a STATE.
The bottom line is that Vermont almost certainly DID have an anti-intermarriage law, though they had almost no blacks. It is amazing that they FOUND a black slave for the state court to free in 1775, but slavery was on the books until then.
This was a lot of WORK. I get TIRED every time someone decides to go into this. No one knows ANY of the real history.
Stormfront Exchange With a Black Man
Posted by Bob in How Things Work on 7/16/2007
ShakaZulu, whites had damned well BETTER approve of “race relations” today if they are talking to ANY stranger, including a pollster.
Get serious, man. You and me both know what the “Yes, Massah” Syndrome is. Outside of people like you and me, the rest of the world just recognized it, and they call it The Stockholm Syndrome.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShakaZulu
For many years now the Gallup Organization has done an annual poll on the public’s perception of black-white relations in the US. This year’s poll came out last week and it finds whites more positive about race relations than blacks.
http://www/galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=28072
Lottery and Assimilation
When I was a ten-year-old in Cuba, I already understood that Latin American countries had lotteries because it was the only chance that the average person had to get ahead.
Blacks weere mixed with whites there because, from the point of view of those who owned everything, all peasans were equal, just as the Queen of England tday says that any of her hundreds of millions of Commonwealth former subjects has the right to move to England, even if they do elbow out the white peasants.
Now we have state lotteries, the super-rich in charge, and everybody who is not rich is equal to everybody else. We live in Batista’s Cuba. To the very rich, all those peasants are the same. The LAST people who object to this attitude on race are the Marxists.
Leftism and respectable conservatism agree that all peasants are equal. So do today’s leftists. And we have also gone Latin American on assimilation.
Don’t worry. Batista’s Cuba will be replaced with a rightist or leftist form of Castro’s. Cuba rumbled for decades, then Batista’s Cuba collapsed in a matter of hours.
To others, the suppression and rumbling dissatisfaction shows that the System cannot be beaten. I watched the Soviet Empire go. I watched Batista go. I watched Perot come within a hair’s breadth of being elected president, certifiable though he was.
Nobody thinks the coming election will make any difference. Politics has ceased to have meaning, but the discontent is palpable. It just has nowhere to go.
I must have been raised in a different world, because all this strikes everybody ELSE, from racial defeatists to respectable conservatives, as STABILITY.
And remember, when the collapse of Batista came, Cuba went from fascist to Communist, ALL THE WAY. Russia went from Communist to fascist. If things are the way I see them, the safe, moderate position today will put you in enormous danger in the future.
You may have to EXPLAIN your “anti-racism:”
AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, WHITE CoUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!
” It is said that there is this RACE problem. They say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.”
“The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.”
“Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.”
“What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?”
“How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?”
“And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?”
“But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.”
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
“Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.”
http://whitakeronline.org
http://www.nationalsalvation.net/
1787, 1907
“…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag,… excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile…We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
This was taken for granted in 1907, and TR was one of the more liberal on the subject. Today it is absolute chauvinism.
When you discuss the Constitution, remember that the same thing would have been routine to say about the white race. We were discussing what to do abut Indians and blacks, not whether to assimiliate with them.
The reason the capitol of Liberia is named for a slaveholder is because President John Monroe FOUNDED Liberia country to return freed blacks to. Francis Scott Key was another who favored this solution. Those who were opposed to slavery always had the problem of what to do with the blacks after they were freed.
This is a major hunk of history you never hear a word about. Historians act as if everybody took it for granted that it was slavery or assimilation. In fact, the accusation of “Negro Equality,” much less intermarriage, was one of the major planks of those opposing Lincoln’s reelection in 1864. He denied it vigorously, of course.
Prometheus
Posted by Bob in Coaching Session on 7/15/2007
I had always wondered why Jesus never said anything which people COULDN’T have known. Back then, people would have already known the golden rule, it needed no explanation.
Dealing with the incessant shriekers, those foul liberals of exaggerated indignance, again, requires nothing we don’t already know.
Every kingergarten student will be able to tell you that if you can’t do what you want, then you aren’t free.
Our education is based on giving us books, books and scriptures to make us forget what we knew, to cloud our judgement. To make us think we CANNOT know, and we MUST turn to the established authorities for facts, for meaning, for definitions. That was my experience. Race doesn’t exist because WE SAY SO. The difference between sexes doesn’t exist because WE SAY SO. What YOU observe is wrong. What you THINK is wrong. It is WRONG because you are NOT one of the established.
You are not supposed to use your values. We have the books and you dont. Your judgement, your opinion, was of no value if you didn’t have the books and the authority.
This is why I’ve hearn hundreds of philosophers babble about ‘freedom’ and never make a point. This is why I’ve heard gun control nuts talk about how we need gun control to be free. It’s all based on words and NOT you and I, and no one ever questions it.
I went to a philosophy event where six philosophers argued about the philosophy of happiness and what it means to be happy, and how to achieve it.
Kindergarteners don’t need 6 professors to tell them what would make them happy. This puts them head and shoulders above everyone who went to that lecture expecting some form of answer.
Dave
How could our overly domesticated population of Americans possibly know that the “six million Jews” shrieking that began in the spring of 1945 was part of a “war atrocity claims game” that is as old as war itself, truth, as always and forever, “being the first causality of war”.
And how could they also possibility know that there is never and beginning and ending to war and its trajectory, the trajectory changing manifestation in forward linear time, but nevertheless one continuous trajectory from the horizon of the forgotten past to the horizon of what is impossible to ignore in the here and now.
Accordingly, WWII did not end in 1945 and continues today. It all continues, in the endless trepidations of the State of Israel, in a castrated Germany, in the generations of refugees infesting Dehli, Moscow, Cairo, Khartoum, Berlin, London, New York, cities ringed and inundated with populations of countless millions still floating in the same of old tide forcible evictions, economic desperation, and nationlessness.
Who in America really understand the continuous nature of these trajectories to see through today’s manifestations to the whole cloth of one conflict tumbling into another, the residue of the past’s reality ever present in the here and now?
And Americans crippled by one, and only one, atrocity claim? Not knowing that there have ten thousand of these in history, no less compelling in scope and ghastliness? These going back to antiquity into every age that has ever been, these claims being an integral part of war?
Americans are not and have never been up to this. They simply have not and do not have the street smarts or the “leather”.
But that will change as the current generation of weaklings and schmucks in their wholesale dereliction brought the whole cloth of the larger world and its tragic history to America with their fabulous and millennial doctrines of multi-racial and multi-ethnic harmony, doctrines only the weak, corrupt, sheltered, and pampered could possibly entertain.
They are now destined to learn the true meaning of their doctrines in radiant pain and suffering, and fated to be as steeply learned these matters as such “old world” peoples as the Sikhs in their eviction from their Indus Valley homeland, and the Serbs in their eviction from Kosovo, and the Tibetans in the Chinese usurpation of their homeland. I could go on with endless examples.
How is it possible that American people could be so utterly stupid as to let this happen? But happen it has. I see it every day in an America that is no longer American, and won’t be tomorrow and never will be again.
America is now immersed in the whole of the world and what it has always been in all of its tragic and horrible suffering, an endless trajectory of racial, ethnic, and religious conflicts.
Accordingly, the time for dumb, soft, sheltered, pampered, and no street smarts Americans is over.
Freedom Screamers
George Orwell explained in his novel 1984 that a rational society must include “the right to say that two plus two equals four.” In The Crown Versus Joseph Pierce, 1987, the British court ruled to send a man to prison under the Hate Laws by declaring that “The truth is no defence.”
This phrase, “The truth is no defense,” has a long and disreputale history. In 1796, due to the support of George Washington, John Adams became the last president elected on the Federalist Party ticket by a hair’s breadth, beating Jefferson by three electoral votes.
In 1798, the Federalist Party won its last national victory. Due to the XYZ Affair, it carried a huge majority of both Houses of Congress. It passed the Alien and Sedition Acts in 1799, which largely outlawed criticism of government policy. It saw the first amendment as gun controllers see the second amendment today, as something that wasn’t really there.
After 1798 Jefferson did his critiquing anonymously. Publishers and editors went to prison in droves. One of their major demands was to get rid of the British-derived doctrine that, when it came to the King and His policies, “The truth is no defense.”
In 1800, the Federalist Party was defeated at every level. It began its steady slide into nonexistence. The PEOPLE, not the courts, got rid of that whorish doctrine, “The truth is no defense” in America.
Now we accept the idea that the truth is no defense in fact, if not in words. I lived with that for decades as scholar after scholar was ruined for telling the truth about innate racial differences. When he was fired, the screaming New York Jews and those who learned from them cowed the Masturbation Generation by screaming, “Six Million Jews!!!!”
We won, now that even the New York Times says that, “the hereditarian view of racial differences is far more acceptable today than it was” (previously). But the cost was staggering and the heroes forgotten.
And the LESSON is forgotten.
In the 1960s I listened quizzically as libertarians went into great detail about how Ayn Rand or LeFevre or some other Libertarian Truth had justified freedom in a tome. I thought how EUROPEAN this was. Screamers had crushed the old American idea that I have freedom because I will do what I damned well please.
The AMERICAN version of freedom is Grandma sitting on the front porch with a shotgun waiting for the government to run over her house to build a road. The AMERICAN version of freedom of speech is not a tome and a Wordist doctrine justifying freedom, but “two plus two equals four.”
Like everything in life, freedom is not a doctrine, it is a matter of sense. I will do anything I damned well please. If you say my money should go to “something worthwhile” instead of what, IN YOUR OPINION, is a “trivial” thing, I don’t give a damn, no matter how loud you shriek.
So the Objectivists tried to shout ME down at the University of Virginia for my racism. It didn’t work, by a long shot. So they stopped speaking to me. Since all they would have had to say to me was already in a book, that was no sacrifice.
I keep begging you to drop all that Wordism. ALWAYS INSERT “IN YOUR OPINION” when the shriekers shriek. We don’t need a Russian Jewess, bless her heart, to tell us THAT. Ayn Rand was just the only one who had to guts to shriek down the New York shriekers in the age of the Masturbation Generation.
When they shriek “racism” no one dares ask, “What, IN YOUR OPINION, IS Racism?” No respectable conservative EVER presses that question, or even ASKS it.
The anti-racists (anti-whites) were shouting, and for the obedience-trained Masturbation Generation, that was enough. They learned In World War II that the highest honor was to obey a sergeant who screamed in your face. Their children learned from them, and their libertarian children needed a BOOK to deal with the shouters.
Once it takes a BOOK to justify freedom, it doesn’t EXIST any more.
Shari
Posted by Bob in Coaching Session, History on 7/14/2007
We saw a very good example of “pro-life” versus pro-living not too long ago, with the Terri Schavio circus. There was a site called, Traditional Catholic, where they really went to town on her “Judas goat” husband, for finally getting “permission” to have her feeding tube removed.
Doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, has been MADE excessively difficult because of the sea of lies we live in. It shouldn’t be THAT hard.
– Shari
ME:
We are back to a basic rule: Why does someone say something?
Pro-life goes ape because people gets votes out of it, because if that cause quit making waves, they would become nobody, and because people make a living on it. The NAACP found it had nothing to offer, so it went into fighting the Confederate flag full time. With all the problems blacks have, this is buts.
Lawyers have made crime skyrocket because they made their livings off of more and more complicated legal proceedings and the motto that if you did not give a career criminal the benefit of the doubt, innocent grandmothers would be strip-searched.
Then they started getting money and power and jobs out of Homeland Security, so the logic was that targeting suspicious-looking people, which is what ALL police work involves, was evil if done on ethnic groups, so grandmothers ARE strip-searched.
If you go back to asking WHY people SAY things, this becomes not only understandable but inevitable.
To apply this to pro-life, if we spent all the money we have on highways and highway safety, lives would be saved. The logic that life is infinitely precious means that infinite resources should be spent on it. There is ALWAYS a FINITE probably that someone will come back to life, even if they are in the cemetery. Pro-lifer argue that a person should be kept on “life” support because sometimes someone pronounced dead does reawaken.
The problem is that we balance life against a bigger new car every day. The car money could have gone into safer highways and one could have a smaller car. But once you start down that road, everybody’s quality of life is sacrificed more and more to the DRAMATIC “saving of life.”
Meanwhile people make money out of environmentalism. So the cars we have now are deathtraps because they are made of light plastic. You have Ralph Naders making cars lighter and more dangerous while his organizations are also demanding more and more regulations to make cars safer.
We have a society based on people screaming at us for money and power. The Masturbation Generation made shrieking New York Jews our Ruling Class.
Now ewe even have professional libertarians screaming about the regulations other screamers are imposing.
All because we do not ask, in EVERY case, WHY are you SAYING this?
SysOp and Scimitar
Posted by Bob in Comment Responses on 7/10/2007
“I remember when Jimmy Swaggart made a profund comment” –BW
A profound comment? Bob, wipe that smile off of your face. You had me going there for a minute until I remembered that you generally “consider the source” before you believe anything.
Swaggart makes Christian-hunting a barrel-shoot.
One good twist of logic deserves another I guess.
– SysOp
ME:
Note to Scimitar, OF COURSE I expect you to put BUGS as a link on your site! Also national salvation.
I don’t use SysOp’s comments much up here because they are not MINE. When someone says what I would say better than I do, I make them a part of my commentary UP HERE.
But SysOp is a thoughtful alternative to my stuff, using our kind of thought from a different point of view. COMMENTS are part of the blog. READ THE COMMENTS!
Swaggert made a profound comment in the same way children do. He certainly didn’t understand what he had just said, as the child doesn’t. He did not realize he was contradicting his own money-raising appeals to pro-lifers. If Hell is life, and everbody is going to Heaven or Hell anyway, why is preserving THIS life so precious?
If one just means “life” is a heart pumping, I am not pro-life. I am pro-LIVING. I am for Christ against Christianity and for living against pro-life. Extending misery is not pro-living, but it beats the hell out of tryng to THINK.
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is SIMPLE, but it is not EASY.
DC
The list of states which did NOT have antimiscegenation laws keeps changing.
One quoted wikipedia entry said that “the future District of Columbia” had never passed such a law.
That “the future” was probably referring to the fact that it got BACK a local government only recently. It has been DC since congress created it. DC HAD a local government until 1883, when its charter was removed by Republicans because it was a pro-Southern and Democratic. One part of the Compromise of 1850 was to abolish the slave TRADE, certainly not slavery, in DC.
The local government set up, and the same congress that passed the fourteenth amendment funded, a SEGREGATED public school system. You BET they had and enforced an anti-miscegenation law.
Minnesota had SEGREGATED schools in 1909. The most unlikely states had laws like this, despite the fact that they had practically no blacks to enforce them on.
It is very hard to prove a negative, especially since practically nobody knows any history. Vermont probably did have one, since New Hampshire and Maine did.
Massachusetts abolished slavery about 1783, but abolished its anti-intermarriage law at the height of the Civil War in 1863. No one then challenged the right of a state to have one, and Lord knows who bothered to pass them back then in places like New Hampshire and Minnesota.
NO ONE then thought that prohibiting intermarriage was an imposition on ONE race. Which is why I keep pointing out that the idea that “We the People” included all races was simply a no-go to the REAL writers of the Constitution.
One reason for the “DUH-MEN Chorus” maybe that most people have not spent their lives battling these people and heard all their arguments a thousand times. In discussing Hell as just a poor “quality of life” I half-seriously apologized for using the term.
Back when I was working actively as an ally of pro-lifers, “quality of life” was the pro-choice slogan in defending foreign aid to pay for abortions.
Now commenters keep saying they never HEARD of it. I saw as CHRISTMAS special a couple of years ago where a guy form Christmas Future who looked Oriental said everybody looked like him in the future, a fusion of races.
Pat Robertson said intermarriage would ease our race problems just recently. “Assimilation” is the mantra of liberals and conservatives. Yet commenters keep telling me they never HEARD of such a thing! Antis will say it one day and deny it the next.
I’m too OLD to play this game! If you never HEARD of it, maybe that’s because someone who has been in this game forever has something to TEACH you.
Skype
I now have Skype back, but I need to test it out.
I will NOT use it much, as I HATE talking or IM’s.
In order to test the Skype, I need someone’s Skpe number, which brings up a separate point:
If you have a message to ME, and NOT on the BUGS Yahoo! Group, PLEASE put “NOT SPAM” on the TITLE. I get the BUGS Yahoo! Group, which so far has been only blog comments, and I have to pile through all the spam. So I only READ notes from people I know and check to be sure COMMENTOR’S names are attached to the Yahoo site, since I’ll see their comments on the blog.
SO, in order for me to READ what you say in BUGS or to me directly, I need you to put the old NO SPAM on it so I’ll check it out.
I would like to have a Skype number or two from you to try, mine out.
BUT when you send it, your title will have to have NO SPAM on it. And even after I try my Skype out, the ONLY way to be SURE I get a personal message will be an SF PM or an e-mail to my personal address WITH NO SPAM IN THE TITLE.
I have a cell phone and a land line, but I treat them as I will treat Skype, as something I HATE to check and I check messages seldom.
, NOT SPAM in the title, got it, gang?. When you get old, you have a right to be picky.
[ The BUGS Yahoo! Group -Brian]
Completed WordPress Upgrade to 2.2.1
This is my first time working with the real blog. If there are any problems, e-mail me.
Unfortunately, 2.2.1 is not just a bug fix release. Some security issues came to light during 2.2.1 development, making 2.2.1 a required upgrade. 2.2.1 addresses the following vulnerabilities:
* Remote shell injection in PHPMailer
* Remote SQL injection in XML-RPC Discovered by Alexander Concha.
* Unescaped attribute in default theme
Scimitar Has a Web Site
Posted by Bob in Comment Responses on 7/8/2007
Scimitar,
One of our policies here is that if one of our bloggers puts up a REAL website, as opposed to one that is forever “under construction,” I give it front-page coverage at least once.
A really good one gets more: If you look at the listing to the right, you will find “Introduction to Bob.” It is not Bob’s. It’s Dave’s national salvation site listed at the bottom of every article.
Scimitar’s is at
http://blog.occidentaldissent.com
I reproduce comments mercilessly/nicely, depending on what you think of them.
If that bothered you, you wouldn’t BE in this kitchen.
Bob,
I’m a racialist, not an “anti.” I keep track of these things at my website. Vermont never passed an anti-miscegenation law. The Wikipedia page on anti-miscegenation laws has been updated since I last checked it. Apparently, Vermont was not alone in this respect:
“Only Connecticut, New Hampshire, New York, New Jersey, Vermont, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Alaska, Hawaii, and the federal District of Columbia never enacted them.”
Of those, I am pretty sure Wisconsin, Minnesota, Hawaii, and Alaska also did not pass anti–miscegenation laws. According to the Jim Crow History website, Connecticut passed two anti-miscegenation laws in 1908 and 1933.
Note: For the record, Vermont is also one of the few states in the Union to allow same-sex civic unions.




Mark
Posted by Bob in Coaching Session, Comment Responses on 7/16/2007
On “Prometheus” below, Mark says:
This has got to be the most enlightened and thought-provoking item I’ve ever read. Bob, if you don’t put a permanent link to this you will be doing all of us a great injustice. This piece hits home like nothing I’ve ever seen.
BRAVO!!!
ME:
Mark, links and such are the work of SysOps, Brian, and whoever else is now our technical team.
I didn’t even write this one, as you can see. One of US wrote it and it is up to one of US to link it right.
I got us going. But when something is written by Prometheus, praised by you, and linked, at your suggestion, by my team, I am in my GLORY!
Untouched by Whitaker hands, that’s the ticket! It means that when Whitaker HANDS it over, my work will not be wasted.
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