Interested Parties and Talking Heads

Posted by Bob on August 24th, 2007 under History

I said before that no one would check out the Black Sea bottom because no one had an INTEREST on checking the Black Sea bottom. From Bible thumpers to social scientists to Political Correctness to Marxism, everybody likes history just the way it is, rooted in the Middle East.

BUT the guy who made millions locating the Titanic found this to be a great project. HE now has a vested interest in pushing the IMPORTANCE of history up around Mount Ararat which, in historical terms, is about as Middle Eastern as Mongolia today.

This is how things REALLY work, and it is impossible to explain to someoe who WANTS not to understand. Most people have a vested interest in seeing the world as they see it now.

But in the real world research is not done by abstract entities, it is done by PEOPLE. A PERSON has no incentive to go after truth. As I said, Futurology has nothing to do with the future. It has to do with trends in Futurology, getting grants and publicity in the field, TODAY.

I was just looking at a Time Magazine from November 21, 1932. In the International section, discussion of German politics was under Belgium. Belgium was up in arms over what the experts said was the certainty of the restoration of the Kaiser in Germany. Belgium, which had been invaded in 1914 and occupied by the Kaiser’s Germany for four years, had parades in the streets against the restoration of the Kaiser.

In its report on the Munich Putsch in 1923, Time referred to Hitler as a “monarchist.” World War I dominated their memory, and the Kaiser was NEWS in 1932, whereas Hitler was a nobody.

One talking head was quoted as saying,” It is not a question of reestablishing the monarchy, the question is how it will be reestablished,” in other words, would it be the still-living Kaiser Wilhelm II or his successor?

Kaiser Wilhelm II lived in exile in the Netherlands. When Hitler occupied that country in 1940, the former Kaiser was guarded from all contact by German troops. He died in 1941 under the Third Reich.

For someone making a living as a writer for Time, the readers had to be given something they recognized and loved or hated. That meant the Kaiser in 1932.

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#1 by Dave on 08/24/2007 - 11:50 am

If you ever bother to go take a look at the ordinary junk that was published in the past, two things will quickly jump out you.

1.People invariably overestimate the importance of their times and what is going on in their lives in the overall scheme of things; 2. Also, invariably, they completely misinterpret the meaning of it.

Current events are always “ultimately important” forevermore when interpreted in real time. The narcissism and conceit of these interpretations is hilarious when looked at in hindsight.

For example, people like Limbaugh and Hannity are so old. Goof balls like them have been part of society for centuries. Every generation produces them and no one is embarrassed by them, it just part of the stupidity of existence.

One of the favorite rants of conservative talk radio is the effeminacy of political correctness. It will be so embarrassing 50 years from now when someone goes back to listen and laugh at “early century” talk radio recordings with all these girly men putting on airs about “effeminacy”. (In my mind’s eye I see high school kids rolling around in their classroom aisles in stitches and uncontrollable hilarity listening to a recording of Rush Limbaugh. How could anyone talk such a goofball seriously?)

Sometimes I think nothing ever changes. It’s like we are all stuck in the Bill Murray film “Ground Hog Day”. The same idiotic crap over and over generation after generation. Do we have to die in order to escape listening to yet another repetition of a Rolling Stones track?

I about puked the other day when I was in a fashionable college kid tavern and they had Bob Dylan on the Juke Box. You begin to wonder if you haven’t been sent to hell when you are forced to listen to a sickening Jew kid parody the worst of gentile anthemic music and see a Gen X’er taking it seriously. I though I was sent to the second level of hell when the Bob Marley track came on next.

The third level of hell was watching a couple of bare-bellied hip-hugger trousered chicks kissing each other while this was going on.

The fourth level of hell came later when I watched a subtitled Asian movie with slant eyed Asians imitating Americans doing all of this (with the soundtrack playing the same music nonetheless).

Don’t ask me to interpret the actual meaning of all of this. I’m stupid, but not that stupid.

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#2 by shari on 08/24/2007 - 12:42 pm

I never thought my own times were very interesting. {last half of twentieth century} Most things have seemed like a big wait to me. Not that I can think of anything earlier that would have been better.

It’s sad that most people have a vested interest in what’s false. The truth is so much more interesting, I think. And it’s freeing!!

#3 by Simmons on 08/24/2007 - 2:22 pm

Its quite possible that Ballard is asking the right questions about a non-jewish civilization centered where the Black Sea is now, and if he is then he will become a person for the ages. If he goes along with the story of some jew crank listening to crackpot yaweh about building an ark then he will be lost or nothing but a footnote. But what I want to do is to take two of our own to task for their passive take on life Shari and Dave. We are not strapped to some crappy wheel of life hoping for the magic of some far off divine source to save us from it.

#4 by shari on 08/24/2007 - 3:48 pm

I was talking about the times and the dulling effect of these past decades. I don’t feel passive, although I’m less angry and more sure than I used to be.

#5 by Dave on 08/24/2007 - 5:14 pm

Simmons,

There is something unseen and unrecognized that needs to be prevented, because it keeps on wrecking havoc generation after generation. Now, what is that something?

I give it a lot of thought which makes me very skeptical of anyone’s agenda.

All I know is that there are real causes for what is occurring, whether they are seen or unseen. And the very moment one acquires an agenda the possibility of accurate vision disappears.

This is what BW was addressing in his post on the MSM’s pre-Third Reich take on Hitler and on politics in Germany. The writers then as the writers today had an agenda, therefore their analysis was worthless.

This is why the world always has and always will belong to those who do their own thinking. We were each issued exactly one head for that very purpose.

#6 by Alan B. on 08/24/2007 - 5:24 pm

What the so called authorities aka experts deem permissable is what is discussed in our drab world of the mainstream information. Reporters who dare to venture out and try to steer in a new direction can kiss their careers good bye. To deviate like this would advance them into the realm of an expert, aka authority, nobody like a trouble maker and or competition, being lazy is so much easier.

#7 by mderpelding on 08/24/2007 - 7:52 pm

All the more reason to understand that if a “fact” of “belief” or “rule” doesn’t support the political/existential interests of white people, it should be considered FALSE and left behind.
Twenty different experts can dissect the past and find so-called facts to corroborate their twenty different narratives regarding the past.
All experts.
Historicism is white peoples’ witchcraft.
Read Spengler critically instead of reverentially.

I can’t resist…
“Oh my, we oppressed the poor Negro savage for hundreds of years”.
A historical narrative if ever I saw one.
Note the term;
“oppressed”.
I know, that is a Marxist word.
We all hate Marxists.
But Marx was a historicist.
Uh oh…

#8 by Pain on 08/25/2007 - 1:01 am

FREEDOM
SACRIFICE
VICTORY

#9 by Pain on 08/25/2007 - 1:04 am

The dialectic:

A slab of stale bread is better than nothing.
Nothing is better than a big juicy steak.
Therefore, a slab of stale bread is better than a big juicy steak.

#10 by Simmons on 08/25/2007 - 11:16 am

We are white we solve problems not incorporate them into a new strange religion such as bad evil spirit brings flood must sacrifice goat, or black man stupid and violent must shout racist. Dave, for instance about the two chicks following the latest fad. At work the conversation amongst the guys turned to the “two chicks” thing and the usual statements were made as if I were never born, and I suspect these statements would continue on into time immemorial since thinking and even asking questions is too daring for the peasants. So I asked the “Hooters” men concerning the “two chicks” fad, “What’s in it for me?” Lights go off in the stupidvision addled minds and they start asking me questions, and of course I answered. We solve problems

#11 by AFKAN on 08/25/2007 - 2:43 pm

in reply to Dave:

you wrote:
Dave says:

in reply:
I have been thinking long and hard about that; I refer to it as “The Destroyer,” and it functions on all levels – spiritual, cultural, political, and economic.

My current working hypothesis is what has led me to be such a strong advocate for Social Eugenics.

The Destroyer, in the context of Western Civilization, has two Aspects:

One, Judaism, is the exact opposite of Christianity, the religion that united European tribes into nations, and freed up enough resources (that were otherwise wasted on nonproductive warfare) to allow the Creative Gifts of the White RACE to manifest – a critical mass of unallocated resources AND White people came together, and Created new Forms in all areas of culture, politics and economics.

Two, the Central Limit Theorem holds that as more and more Gammas are deliberately imported and supported in the WHITE countries, AND the White RACE is blocked from organizing along RACIAL lines, the critical mass of resources – including WHITE people – are blocked from reaching the Critical Mass needed to rapidly develop new forms of organization, from governement (republics to the National Socialists state), to technology – the list goes on.

Of course, the Jews are behind the deliberate dysgenic social policies of the last fifty years, but that simply makes the point.

The word that most defines the Mindset of The Destroyer is “Equality.”

That takes us back to what Burnham probably realized, but dared not speak, and what Dr. Sam Francis realized, and for which he paid a horrific price.

He, and, come to think of it, us.

Our focus should have been on offering our posterity honor, discipline, and the stars.

Leave “equality” to those who aspire to nothing better, because they are capable of nothing better.

That’s why they come to the country WE Created.

#12 by Lord Nelson on 08/25/2007 - 5:42 pm

OK Gang, Lets get back to BASICS:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/racism-power-illusion-414247.html

BTW. The new updated version of the mantra, (Africa for the Africans etc.) should replace the old one, on the FRONT, page of this blog. For easy copy and pasting.

And of course, the obvious.

#13 by Dave on 08/25/2007 - 10:04 pm

AFKAN

One way that I feel blessed is that I was raised in competitive athletics. Kids who have the luck to have their young lives focused in organized competition learn about the different flavors of competitive personalities and that is a big advantage in life.

I never loose sight of it, because I have encountered a lot of problem people who are problem people because they react to competition wrongly, for very few successful and skilled athletes react to competition wrongly. If they did, they would not succeed in athletics. For example, basketball scouts are driven crazy because they find kids with fabulous talent but know they cannot be trained or otherwise persuaded from being “show boaters”. Accordingly, great talents and big opportunities are lost to personality issues.

The world is a competitive arena, it is baked in the cake, but large numbers of people never successfully come to terms with it. Not only that, but whole ethnicities fail to come to terms with it, and even whole nations fail to come to terms with it.

I know some very successful Jews that I like and admire. I like them and admire them because they are wholesome competitors, smart and successful, and they compete fairly. I also know other Jews who are not good competitors, hateful Jews, personality disordered Jews. They may have success in business terms, but they are not successes in life and in competitive arena terms.

The Jews are hobbled by a history and orthodoxy that is based in a wrong headed and distorted reaction to competition. This does not advantage them at all, except as troublemakers. Their long-term scheme is not sound because they have their facts wrong. There is no advantage in excelling at inflicting pain on others.

When I spoke of unseen and unrecognized problems causing recurring havoc generation after generation, I was speaking of forces hobbling the white race in their competitive fitness. When BW speaks of the “Masturbation Generation”, the issue is much larger than the WWII generation in my mind. White people “give way” in far too many areas of their existence, in critical areas in particular where there should be “no give”.

This is a competitive problem for whites. I also honestly believe it is our competitive problems (our reaction to our competitive circumstances) that underlie America’s war undertakings in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. The issues driving these wars are much larger than the Jews and it is very meaningful that hardly anyone has a clue as to what is genuinely driving these conflicts. To my mind, that makes the issues underlying these wars heavy duty indeed.

Something is being worked out that we don’t understand.

#14 by AFKAN on 08/25/2007 - 11:33 pm

in reply:
Constructive competition is one of the areas in which we have been functionally gelded, in so many ways. It is also why I support my nephews in their training in Judo.

you wrote:
I know some very successful Jews that I like and admire. I like them and admire them because they are wholesome competitors, smart and successful, and they compete fairly. I also know other Jews who are not good competitors, hateful Jews, personality disordered Jews. They may have success in business terms, but they are not successes in life and in competitive arena terms.

in reply:
My disagreement is based on the distinction you drew in the first of the two above paragraphs, and the second.

The first paragraph speaks of “A” Jew, or a few Jews, exceptions to the rule. Frankly, in the clinch, they will revert to type and validate the rule with a vengeance; at least, that’s the way to bet.

Who gets the Word put in for them in Human Resoruces?

The second paragraph deals with the greater issue as I see it.

For people who have a long-term structural weakness, it is certainly masked by tremendous short-term success. If there is a social issue they are not currently winning on all fronts, I would like to know what it is.

THAT is the world we have to live in, and deal with.

THAT is the Deep War that our Posterity will curse us for not having dealt with more vigorously, as they become indentured servants from birth, in a world that fulfills the Jewish Vision of a New Dark Age for Cattlekind, as the mirror image of their New Age of Light for Mankind (ie; the Jewish RACE).

you wrote:
When I spoke of unseen and unrecognized problems causing recurring havoc generation after generation, I was speaking of forces hobbling the white race in their competitive fitness. When BW speaks of the “Masturbation Generation”, the issue is much larger than the WWII generation in my mind. White people “give way” in far too many areas of their existence, in critical areas in particular where there should be “no give”.

in reply:
When we accept our RACIAL Enemy’s Terms and Definitions, we have lost before we take to the field of battle.

Can there be any doubt in your mind that this goes much deeper than the Masturbation Generation, and was, in part, designed into the mandated public education/indoctrination system from the Communist Manifesto forward?

Can there be any doubt that this neutralization of the Impulse to Achieve (McClelland’s nAch measurement) took place by plan, in the formation of the JUDEO-Christianity taught by the Southern Baptist Seminaries, among others – the Christian Zionists?

Remember, JUDAISM is the EXACT OPPOSITE of Christianity.

Attempts to meld the two simply drove the victim to a soft madness, where they are mandated, with the threat of Eternal Damnation, to LOVE the people that are kicking them in the teeth…

No damn WONDER more than half of the Adult population in America is on prescription tranquilizers.

you wrote:
This is a competitive problem for whites. I also honestly believe it is our competitive problems (our reaction to our competitive circumstances) that underlie America’s war undertakings in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. The issues driving these wars are much larger than the Jews and it is very meaningful that hardly anyone has a clue as to what is genuinely driving these conflicts. To my mind, that makes the issues underlying these wars heavy duty indeed.

in reply:
I also see our Adventures in Greater Mesopotamia as symptoms of a RACIAL Illness that no one has the courage to face.

Note that, while this issue goes beyond Jews, damn if it doesn’t seem to work to their benefit at all points, with precious little being in it for the American people, while the Jews come out as big winners at all points.

Something IS being worked out, and I think, in part, it is the transformation of the Western Nation-State into the Western State-Nation, with the State assuming supremacy over the Nation – the organic formulation of the RACE occupying the geographic entity for their RACIAL Destiny.

I’ve been reviewing some economic geography textbooks, and am trying to see America as our RACIAL Enemies see it; a collection of resources to be controlled and manipulated, nothing more, and nothing less. Right now, that is the key to controlling much of the Rest Of The World’s resources, and harnessing all of these in the fulfillment of a purely materialistic (ie; Jewish, but I repeat myself) Vision for Cattlekind.

Thus, the natural borders between Nations – RACES – MUST be erased, slowly, and purposefully, over time, starting with control of economic resources in what are effectively transnational – no, anational! – Institutions. Meanwhile, the natural borders between RACES must be erased, as well, with miscegenation being preferable to RACIAL homogeneity – except, of course, for the Jews, who foster RACIAL Unity by any and all means necessary.

White people, of course, are forbidden such organizations…

An important key is CONTROL of the Words people hear, the PICTURES they see, the WORDS they use, and the framing of discourse itself. Ultimately, of course, it leads to, on one level, “1984.”

“How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?”

“I don’t know.”

Far too many of our Posterity have been taught the RIGHT answer is, “I don’t know.” They have also been taught to resolve the cognitive dissonance of the Soul trying to reach the Mind by, effectively, putting the Mind to sleep, with tranquilizers – prescription pharmaceuticals, now available in the public education/indoctrination system, alcohol, food, indiscriminate sex, the First Virtual Reality of television, or the far more effective Second Virtual Reality, computer games.

The First and Second Virtual Realities are far more dangerous than we realize, for they replace the development of our Creative Abilities with the Creations of Others, and our Creative Abilities – the unique Hallmark of our RACE – lie dormant, at best, neutralized, all too often, and, at worst, perverted.

Our RACIAL Enemies, the Materialistic Asiatic Hive Consciousness that works with Judaism against Western Civilization, offers them indentured servitude, and mindless hedonism.

A true RACE-BASED Solution would offer them honor, discipline, and the stars, in the fulfillment of a transcendent spiritual purpose that can barely be seen, but comprises so much of the Path of our RACIAL Greatness.

THAT is “something to be worked out that we don’t understand,” either, but DAMN, wouldn’t it be wonderful to be in Its Service?

#15 by Alan B on 08/26/2007 - 1:22 am

When you think about it little has changed in the way history is viewed and recorded. For example, early astronomers were persecuted by the church for expressing the belief that the earth revolved around the sun. The church or religious institution cared less about truth, their money making monopoly was being threatened,a mind was not seen as a terrible thing to waste, power, money and influence was and still is.
Today, people mock the church for being stupid, yet these same people would have you believe that massive non white immigration into white nations and only white nations is wonderfull and a sign of progress, can you see how little has changed, same old shit just a new day.

#16 by Simmons on 08/26/2007 - 10:44 am

Hundreds of words typed out to rail against “equality” I guess? But like the word “racist” “equality” is never defined, but that never stops the semi-respectables and the respectables from taking the leftist assumptions and running off a screed. What exactly do they mean by “equality?”

#17 by Dave on 08/26/2007 - 10:55 am

Believe me, I respect the power of the Jews. Don’t get me wrong on that.

Consider this: We live in a world that has been largely demilitarized, demilitarized in the sense of “martial societies”. We have left a small segment of American society revolving around the military industrial complex, military bases, and the current wars. We have the hard-core Moslem fighters, however disunited and in conflict with each other they are. We have Israel and we have a rough bunch in Turkey and a small segment in India and Pakistan.

Israel is failing as a martial society. The proof of this was the unwillingness of Israel’s soldiers to go in a root out and kill the Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon last year and their inability to get the job done. I believe this was a pivotal event that has turned the military tide against Israel more profoundly than any other time in its existence. But the issue of the Jews in their “marital manifestation” is much bigger than Israel.

All this notwithstanding, America’s military has made considerable progress in instilling a durable martial ethic that is being hardened by the current wars, better progress than any other society on earth. No one sees this but America’s real enemies, and make no mistake, the Jews are afraid of this because they know they may not be able to ultimately control it.

I often wonder if it isn’t this, this creation of new martial society within America’s military that is what is being worked on in the current conflicts and the real meaning of it is the development of a countermeasure to the “martial” challenge of the Jews.

I’m just wondering that’s all. As you know, most of America’s military (and our military industrial complex) really is so stupid as to be beyond belief. But, it’s like Hollywood, preposterous junk from horizon to horizon, and an occasional gem for much needed relief.

#18 by Simmons on 08/26/2007 - 1:10 pm

Then we need Dave’s “Martial Manifesto” not a hodge podge of metaphysical assumptions.

#19 by AFKAN on 08/26/2007 - 1:49 pm

Some thoughts on the development of a Remnant, the Aristocratic Meritocracy at the Founding of a new Civilization, and the development of “countermeasures” to the Jews:

From Aristotle forward, each Age had a period of Collapse, and. on the Other Side of the Collapse, the formation of a Meritocratic Aristocracy to rule the new social order. (Tainter is the best student of Collapse theory, from what I can see.)

The idea that a saving Remnant can be fostered, and developed, can be seen in several recent events:

One, in Russia, the creation of Nashti, an explicitly Russian (ie, WHITE) Nationalist Youth Organization, whose explicitly stated purpose is to block American conquest of Russia. Obviously, this was developed, in part, as a countermeasure to the Color Revolutions we have been so successful in manufacturing. What happened in Ukraine served as a real “wake-UP!” call to nascent Russian (WHITE) Nationalism.

Two, this is consistent with the Collapse/Meritocratic Aristocracy theme, as the Collapse of the multi-ethnic multi-cultural (JEW-controlled) “Soviet Union” into the ethnically homogeneous (WHITE) Russian Federation, and the Republics of the FSU, implies a RACIALLY focused organizing principle.

Three, the US Military has, quietly, reformed itself along martial lines, to the extent it can. A classic work of “fiction” appeared in Paramaters magazine – the magazine of the US War College – around Winter 92, called “The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012.”

This is fascinating reading, and might be available on their website, or somewhere on the Internet.

Let me repeat: forward thinkers were writing in 1992 about an American Military COUP D’ETAT twenty years hence…

Four, note the focus by the Marine Corps on personal martial discipline (yes, this is the Corps! EVERYTHING you do is measured!) in recent years. The Corps developed its own martial arts program, and everyone was “encouraged” by the previous Commandant to participate. Now, under the current Commandant, everyone is now REQUIRED to participate. The ending of each class, by the way, has the students doing battle with SEVERAL attackers, until they are legitimately exhausted. This opens the door to vast reserves of self-confidence, and the martial mindset.

NOW you know why I have gladly paid for my nephews to enroll in Judo classes, and, if the Sensei gives them the green light, will pay for their trips to learn Sambo, as well. The Sensei is WELL AWARE of the special focus of the Corps’s Martial Arts program, the ability to tap into undreamt of reserves of power, only after you have truly exhausted all of your own resources. This seems to be the martial equivalent of Grace, but that’s for another time.

By the way, did you know that Russia’s President Putin is an accomplished judoka, and wrote an advanced textbook on advanced techniques, AND demonstrated some technique he developed to Kano’s son, at the Kodokan?

Martial focus, indeed…

The “martial countermeasure to the Jews” can be seen in the development of the martial MINDSET as the multidimensional countermeasure to the Jews. Of course, this is the same MINDSET that is the necessary prerequiste for the development of the foundation of the Meritocratic Aristocracy, the organically developed Natural Leaders of the New Order…

A fascinating movie to get is “After The Fall.: It describes a students acceptance at a NAPOLA school in NSDAP Germany, and what he learned. Of course, it is the law in germany that movies of the NSDAP Era must always place the NSDAP Era in a bad light, but if you skip the mandatory Message at the end, it might prove educational.

Did I mention that my nephews have no need for prescription tranquilizers, and watch a lot less television these days?

MINDSET.

It works for the Jews, and it will work for us.

#20 by Pain on 08/28/2007 - 12:44 am

http://www.black-sea-atlantis.com/black-sea-atlantis/

B. U. G. S.