I suspect that religion was the cause célèbre of this debate.
I also think that we need to take a practical approach to religion as an issue, since it won’t be going away soon. Anyone who can use the power of religion in a positive way on behalf of racial issues has my blessing. Post the Mantra on the church bulletin board. Raise the issue in Sunday School Class. Testify about it in Prayer Meeting. “Praise the Lord, He saved me from corrupting my genes. He saved me from helping to commit Genocide against the White Race.”
Keep in mind, at one time there were very strong feelings in Europe over Protestantism vs Catholicism. People died over this.
Do you think soldiers in WWI and WWII refused to fight alongside someone because they had a different flavor of religion?
David Duke proclaims himself to be a Christian. God bless David Duke.
William Pierce was a Cosmotheist. God bless William Pierce.
Mel Gibson is a Traditional Catholic. God bless Mel Gibson. (Well, ok, I am not sure about his racial stance, but he made some interesting movies).
You are racially aware. God bless you.
Race is the issue. Race trumps everything.
#1 by Dave on 09/25/2007 - 1:21 pm
WE STAND IN RELATION to other races, and are welded irrevocably into RELATIONSHIP.
IT exists, this RELATIONSHIP between WE whites and other races. DO NOT deny it.
But consider this, for example:
In our time, we take it for granted that it is a feat of magic to get any black man to perform a service of genuine value. Be honest: It is widely considered a miracle to actually see a black man being productive, a rare event to be marveled at.
But the services black men ARE CAPABLE of performing such janitorial, housekeeping, waiting tables, lawn work, etc. are greatly demanded and needed.
And as such, we whites stand in RELATION to black men, a natural relation for WE are the providers of the intellectual capital for society’s production base and the organizing force for society in general. And black men SHOULD be a factor with the “productive picture” of the platform, structure, and system of relations WE have created and organized.
To deny this RELATION between white people and black men is to demand the annihilation of black men, for black men either have a role in life or they don’t.
But don’t, for example, tell this to the “players” at HUD (Department of Housing and Urban Development), its bureaucrats, and its “industry players”. They are the worst kind of lying liars.
It is THEY who created the public housing in the City of Chicago for eight hundred thousand black people. Eight hundred thousand!
For the purpose of keeping black men OUT OF RELATION (off the unskilled labor market) to WE whites.
A NATURAL RELATION between the races within the natural division of labor in human society.
Yet HUD has OPERATIONALIZED a denial of RELATION (between black people and white people), in the name of “equality”.
They did so for their OWN PERSONAL PROFIT and the profit of industry players (fully supported and rationalized by the religion of Political Correctness).
(If you can’t see the enormity of the evil of eight hundred thousand human beings taken off the labor market for the personal profit of political players and assorted pigs at the trough there is something truly wrong with you.)
But blindness to evil is what it is all about, isn’t it?
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The Denial of Evil and Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address:
The denial of evil within Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address has rattled my brain for years. This famous speech endlessly bothers me. It is the most hateful and dishonest speech ever uttered and its influence runs deep.
It is the ARCHETYPE for sophisticated political lying. As such, few perceive how DASTARDLY Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address really is.
When I first read Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address I was visiting the Lincoln Memorial with my family in Washington DC as a child.
I read it as it was presented, carved into granite at the Lincoln Memorial. I remember thinking to myself: “Words carved into granite are invariably the worst kind of lies.” My opinion over the years has not changed. Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address is flat out OFFENSIVE to anyone with a brain, but it is nevertheless considered one of the “greatest” speeches in all of history. (Adolph Hitler’s “Danzig Corridor” speech might as well be considered “great” for all the lies Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address contains.)
Lincoln said: “These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war.”
(We whites BETRAYAL OF ONE ANOTHER had nothing to do with it, right?)
Lincoln said: “It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged.”
(No, let us NOT BE JUDGED, for that might lead to the truth about WHO WAS ACUTALLY “wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces”)
Lincoln said: “Yet, if God wills that it continue [the Civil War], until all the wealth piled by the bond-man’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether”.
(Yes, God exacts a terrible revenge for laying a whip upon a colored man’s back but He does nothing upon the petty matter of white men’s betrayal of one another, doesn’t He?)
#2 by shari on 09/25/2007 - 2:24 pm
Blindness to evil is exactly what it’s all about. As we get beams out of our own eyes we will see clearly how to get specks out of others.
I’ve thought lately about this “turning swords into plowshares” It’s WHITES who simply cannot continue bleeding one another. WE CAN’T. CAN NOT! But, in the meantime, we have to keep trying to go the right direction. It’s all we can do.
#3 by woundednietzsche on 09/25/2007 - 6:54 pm
I concur 100% with Hadic. Thank you.
Hadric said:
Keep in mind, at one time there were very strong feelings in Europe over Protestantism vs Catholicism. People died over this.
Reply:
Yes, these 30 year war and civil war scenarios have had a catastrophic effect on our race. WW1 has been described as the Western World putting a gun to its head and blowing its collective brains out. We cannot afford any more fratricidal wars over any issue, religion or otherwise. I don’t care if the man next to me communes with aliens, we are all white brothers and we have to start sticking together and stop being pitted against one another.
Our society is obsessed with competition and we are a competitive race, however this competitiveness is too often exploited to turn us against each other. Whites will gain a huge advanteage when we realize that WE need to start cooperating and stop fighting within our tribe structure. You are not just another man, another faceless, raceless competitor. You are another WHITE MAN and that should make all the difference.
As we gallop towards becoming a minority in the US, this will become easier to grasp. I already sense it becoming an easier sell just in the last year and I am always selling these ideas and testing the marketplace of ideas. Always. Everyday.
#4 by Simmons on 09/26/2007 - 11:05 am
Off topic. But those of us who think the Jews are a seperate species labled Hebrus Omnipotentus took another hit this week. Some leader from a backward part of the world has put the light on the zionist crazies with a simple tactic. He simply asked why is it that the Palestinians are made to pay the price for something called the holocaust? This guy did more to challenge the authority of the anti-whites of the world than one million posts over at SF decrying the futility of it all. But I digress let us go back to discussing the utter futility of rationalizing the middle eastern religions which as we know come from the very birthplace of humanity and culture and civilization and technology and philosophy and to which the hairy pale barbarians of the North owe their entire existence above cave dwellers to.
#5 by woundednietzsche on 09/27/2007 - 1:50 am
Yes, THEY are reaching the point of diminishing returns with each new endeavor. They allowed Mr. Iran to speak, hoping to humiliate and co-opt his message. I think it was a wash. Plenty of people are seeing the hypocrisy and seeing through the mainstream media, asking what’s in it for America this unquestionning support for Israel.
The Dilbert guy got a dose of zio-crazies this week and he stood up to them, a fantastic example. Mr. Scheuer stood up to Bill Maher and said Israel was not worth one dollar or one American life… to applause on national TV!!! There are some sheep out there who get it. Israel does not have an image problem, it has an AWARENESS problem, and its getting worse every week.
Sometimes I think the worst part of our position is feeling that we are fighting for a people who really don’t deserve our sacrifice, our courage, our blood. Insurgents need to at least feel the people are behind them. Are we getting closer to this point?
#6 by Hardric on 09/27/2007 - 9:16 am
RE: Sometimes I think the worst part of our position is feeling that we are fighting for a people who really don’t deserve our sacrifice, our courage, our blood.
RE: I have a blond blue-eyed son and EVERYTHING I do is for his future, and his children’s future.
Does that help clarify the issue? 🙂
#7 by woundednietzsche on 09/27/2007 - 1:06 pm
Yes. Clear as daylight.
#8 by mderpelding on 09/27/2007 - 9:37 pm
You know, in the real world, the ability to gauge or anticipate the unknown is far more valuable than the ability to interpret the past.
So I am quite sure that the Civil War means nothing.
Same with the Revolutionary war.
Mexican-American war.
French and Indian war.
War of 1812.
WW1.
WW2.
Korean war.
Vietnam war.
All KILLED WHITE PEOPLE.
That must be why we are so worried about Jews and Blacks.
After all, it seems that every “white centered” website worries about “Jews and Blacks”. I hate to tell you this, but “Jews and Blacks” can take care of themselves. They really don’t need your help.
Show me a place where I don’t have to endure the constant refrain of “Jews and Blacks”. They can get along without me. And, on my end, they can get along across an ocean.
#9 by Hardric on 09/28/2007 - 7:35 am
I think about these wars, mderpelding, and I also think about diplomacy. Even about diplomacy in this blog.
Was the War Between the States really necessary? You mean to tell me that Whites could not have discussed the matter and come to a reasonable resolution without slaughtering 600,000 of their own?
Internecine conflict which weakens us to the delight of our opposition is not a good idea.
#10 by Simmons on 09/28/2007 - 11:01 am
Speaking of religions back to PC. Reading a new essay by Jim Kuntsler (Jewish man who wrote a book on Peak Oil) he fairly described PC’s ascent in the 1990s as an effort to boost self-esteem amongst the losers of Darwinian evolution. To me that is a good view from the left and how they view it, it is also proof that it boils down to fantasy and emotion prime movers of a cult along with the prerequisite paranoia of the outside. PC belongs besides the strange religions of the primitive in that it cannot withstand scrutiny and its adherents are embarrased to answer for it. And of course the primitive falls rather easy, but not to shrieking and torchlight parades but to inquiry and scrutiny.
#11 by woundednietzsche on 09/28/2007 - 3:49 pm
We have to break THEIR stereotype of the racially aware white man by our actions and interactions with others. We have to be better than the beer guzzling monkey ball watching fool next door. We have to shock the PC zombies by our actions and logic. We have to be the new role model for the future Western man.
The only reason I have developed the influence I have on others in my life, is because of who I am. That speaks louder than any explanations of what the hell is going on and who is responsible. I mean what I say and people who know me know its true. The TV can show stuttering racists with malformed heads and poorly drawn tattoos all day long, but WE can reset that image in the real world, in our neighborhoods, at our schools and even at work. The influence of the TV is falling and with it falls one of their deadliest weapons. Their false worldview is shattered and its a race to see who can replace it.
#12 by mderpelding on 09/28/2007 - 8:43 pm
Hadric, you miss my point.
Another fun thought…
Most race realists eventually talk about I.Q. and it’s effects on various nations/races/tribes/cultures.
Now I am guessing that most posters to this site are familiar with basic I.Q. arguments and the literature proposing them. And of course the standard conclusions drawn from these studies.
So we hear about Bell Curves and Standard Deviations and about the correlations between aggregate I.Q. and race and behaviour and wealth.
Of course, in our modern meritocratic society, I.Q. is king. So society is organized around I.Q.
But traditionally, if one was to look at the relationships between hierarchic segments of modern Division of Labor society, you will see One inventor provides the work output to employ ten Engineers,each capable of a work output employing ten Builders, each capable of employing ten workers, each capable of employing ten service workers. And so on.
That pattern doesn’t fit the Bell Curve, does it?
So where does the Planned Economy come from?
#13 by Hardric on 09/29/2007 - 1:27 am
RE: Hadric, you miss my point.
To be honest, I was just seguing off of your content, which had a nice fit, to pursue my own emphasis, which concerned the importance of diplomacy.
As to your point, it sounded like you were trying to focus on a homogeneous white racial group, and were quite willing to leave the destiny of other groups to their own devices, preferably well separated from you. I am a fan of Rudyard Kipling.
As to your second discussion about IQ vs hierarchy, I pay little attention to IQ.
#14 by woundednietzsche on 09/29/2007 - 12:00 pm
Running away is not the answer, because they are running right behind us and our “laws” are designed to prevent and punish any who try to segregate openly. In Kipling’s day there were still all white countries to emigrate to and that is no longer the case (with the possible exception of Russia which I understand is a hostile place for non-white immigrants). I don’t see how it is possible for us to just do our thing and forget about those who openly and relentlessly attack us. If so we’ll wind up like some quaint Amish sect and more likely exterminated with extreme prejudice by our non-white “brothers”.
We have to do battle in the cultural arena, in the arts, in the sciences, entertainment and once we’ve made inroads there, politics. We are already doing this with the internet. Finally we can bypass their filter. The internet has leveled the playing field for the marketplace of ideas.
On another interesting note, Edgar Cayce, also known as the Sleeping Prophet was vilified for one of his most controversial predictions, made at the height of the cold war. Cayce predicted that Russia would be the savior of the Western World. Interesting eh? Imagine how that went over in the 40s/50s. But from what I’ve read and researched about him, he was a deeply spiritual person and did not appear to have any agendas. He simply sought to peer into the future.
#15 by Hardric on 09/29/2007 - 9:39 pm
Didn’t have anything like running away or emigrating in mind, woundednietzsche, but something much more basic, like this:
#16 by Hardric on 09/30/2007 - 10:16 am
Since my tag didn’t work, here are a couple of versus.
THE STRANGER within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk—
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.
The men of my own stock
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wonted to,
They are used to the lies I tell.
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy and sell.
etc.
#17 by AFKAN on 09/30/2007 - 1:17 pm
Harvard finally catches up with Bob!
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2007/09.27/01-gods.html
#18 by mderpelding on 09/30/2007 - 5:15 pm
Hadric,
We’ve done the whole “white man’s burden” deal.
The only way we could be good shepherds to the savages would be leave them alone. We can’t expect to treat them as pets or children. Any interference on our part only creates more problems. And more savages. Don’t we have enough savages in the world?
Surely you can’t believe we as shepherds would allow starvation and war and disease to reduce their populations to levels that are congruent with both their own developed technologies and the carrying capacities of their various population ranges?
We aren’t born owing every fine-haired biped mammal the fruits of our labors. Nor our lands. Nor our women.
If we are to survive as a people, we have to make some hard choices. Only rarely does a fighter escape unscathed.
#19 by Hardric on 09/30/2007 - 5:43 pm
mderpelding,
Don’t look to me to challenge those assertions. 🙂
#20 by Z on 09/30/2007 - 6:05 pm
I know this isn’t relevant to the thread but I think you guys should read this study. It proves that ethnic conflict is automatic if different ethnic groups reside near each other. You won’t see this discussed on CNN. Even if you don’t understand the math or have no background in spatial analysis I think you’ll get the point. Its a must read!
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/317/5844/1540?ijkey=S.Kb5wAK45Q5.&keytype=ref&siteid=sci
#21 by mderpelding on 09/30/2007 - 6:42 pm
Hardric,
I know that there are some better minds on our side who will see the answers I can’t see.
Your verse, I agree with. But that brings forth the specter of cultural subjectivity.
Subjectivity tends to get lost in conflict.
#22 by Simmons on 09/30/2007 - 9:12 pm
Hey Bob if you have time could we have your political opinion on next year’s prez election. Not on the candidates, of them I could care less, but that our political class seems so kooky and clueless that even the Iranian guy sounds logical next to them. Since our economy is shaky, peak oil is here, and the country is emeshed in an upopular war do you think that the “None of the Above” party could become the most popular?
#23 by Pain on 10/01/2007 - 3:09 pm
I just googled “whitakeronline.org”.
One link that came up was an example of my usenet activity back in April. So it seems that posting the Mantra in newsgroups also puts it into the internet, too, even if it takes months to get there.
Also note that in Google, the term “white genocide” is catching on. These two words are paradigm shifters. They deprogram the mind to think in new ways.
I still recommend posting on the usenet as an easy way to get the mantra out. Don’t think that because I am doing it that I have it covered. The usenet doesn’t work that way. On the internet, your server gives you access to all websites. But on the usenet, your server only provides a limited list of newsgroups to which you may subscribe.
So, you may be able to read and post a number of newsgroups that I can’t.
Also, since there are so many newsgroups, you may think of some groups that never occurred to me to try out.
The usenet requires a special program such as Thunderbird (which I recommend) or Netscape. It works much like an email program, so if you can set up one of those, you can set up a usenet program too.
It takes about an hour to post the Mantra in 50 or 60 places by hand. For most of these, doing that once a month is enough. For the busier groups, once a week is sometimes good. If you check for responses and debate them, that adds a whole lot more time.
Always end the Mantra with a link to Dave’s NationSalvation.net.