“I have also heard the centuries immediately following the burning of Rome called “the dark ages.”– Shari

I have problems with Brown on that. In order to buttress his concept that the West was a totally new thing, he says that period in the West was like newborn, totally sunk in darkness. He is better than the average historian because he says that in the Dark Ages we lost BOTH our Roman AND our Germanic Civilizations. Unlike the average historian, he admits that there WAS a Germanic tradition.

For the average historian, the Dark Ages reflected a lack of SCRIBES. So accepted history says the Dark Ages were when we LOST the Civilization of Rome, where there were scribes. I was stunned to discover that Icelandic sagas talked about Attila the Hun. We had recorded history.

Accepted history tells us that the only writing in Northern Europe during the Dark Ages was the few runes we find on rocks. To one who gives a little THOUGHT to history, a group limited largely to me, this presents an odd picture. The rock-runes were highly complex. Since writing then, everywhere, did not separate words, the runes were drawn in artistic dragon shapes and so forth.

But there was no runic writings anywhere ELSE.

So here is the odd picture: These rock rune writers wrote in highly complex designs, but they never wrote anything ELSE. That’s quite an accomplishment! None of them ever had to PRACTIVE writing, they just carved away in fluency from the word GO.

Now THERE is an example of Nordic Superiority gone wild!

It seems a little more plausible to me that runic writings were destroyed.

Which means there WERE scribes?

We are told that the first representative government was in Iceland. It so happens that Iceland was peopled largely by those who were escaping from the first Christian King of Norway, Harold. Like the rune-writers, history says that they INVENTED representative government when they hit shore there.

We are told that DEMOCRACY was invented by the Greeks, who gathered in their thousand and shouted to each other. This was not representative. ALL citizens were there. Icelanders hit the coast and invented the process of electing people.

When I was coming up, that was as much a fact of history as the idea that no one wrote runes except on rocks and that the idea of Nordics settling America was a laughable myth.

It is more likely that we did not HAVE dictators and the Icelanders escaped from Harold’s new kingship and established the form of government they had had long before Athens was founded.

No kings, no emperors, and scribes were not dominant. That is a Dark Age to accepted history.

To ME, and maybe not to him, Brown made a point I cogitate about.

I read the Da Vinci Code and realized that accepted history still obsesses on Constantine. In the Code, he was supposed to have unilaterally changed the whole Church and made it wholly male-dominated. That reflects the usual accepted history doctrine that there was a united Church that was perverted when Constantine saw those words, not a Cross, in the sky.

But one man didn’t do all that, whether in accepted history or in the Da Vinci Code. My thesis, which is open to correction, is that Constantine was practical politician of his own time.

I stressed the importance of realizing one’s POINT OF VIEW. Brutus is right that Brown was an engineer and a mathematician, so he looked at things from that standpoint. That is an important observation.

My background is power politics, so naturally I look at things that way.

What Lawrence made me look at was the historical PROCESS that Constantine was dealing with. “Rome” didn’t FALL. What was ROME became two distinct societies. History does not even recognize that the Levantine Civilization which included the Eastern Mediterranean for so long was a “Great Civilization” unto itself.

In Levantine Civilization, what we see as the religious groups were the actual nations. When a people became Moslem, they wrote in Arabic script. The Jews wrote in Hebrew script, including the ones who became Yiddish, which is written with Hebrew characters. As Russia shows us, the Orthodox Christians wrote in Cyrillic.

The West, contrary to accepted history, did not languish in unbathed barbarity until the rediscovery of Classical Literature gave us a Rebirth. We became the West. We were a separate entity from Mankind in general.

This is one of the most important transitions in history from ANY point of view. It was the origin of not one, but TWO “Great Civilizations,” even if you discount the special importance of the West.

And it is totally ignored.

We have a giant hole to fill in history. It should be fun.

What is going on here is what no one wants to come out and say:

White “elites” are eliminating the white underclass. After the second world war, the Jews never had any lower class to speak of. Today almost all of them are upper class and elite. A large underclass is like having a 500 lb weight strapped to you.

Whites understand this too. What you have seen over the past one hundred years is the means to carry this program out. Only the inferior stock is going to mix it up and leave the gene pool. Only the inferior is not going to survive the market. Only the inferior is not going to make it.

Liberalism was merely the mechanism.

No intelligent man falls for “Left Wing, Right Wing” politics, nor does he let any “ideology” distort his thinking. No, that is only boob bait put out for suckers.

The non-Whites that are left here? The invaders, you ask, what are they going to do about them? Hitler and Stalin rounded up and moved tens of millions out of their territories by way of railroad. That was decades ago.

For all the talk on Stormfront and elsewhere, White power is overwhelming. If desired we could exterminate every non-white on this planet and lay claim to every continent. No power on Earth could hope to stop us. Never lose sight of this. Our science and technology is simply awesome vis a vis all other races.

Despite all the misdirection, White elites are firm believers in Might Makes Right AND eugenics! Only a fool will believe otherwise. Do you really think Bill Gates loves blacks? Do you really think that people like Bush and Chaney have any intention of allowing Mexicans or Asians to be dominant? Do you think they really intend to let the Jews come out on top in the end?

This may be distressing to some. But we did not design the universe. This is how it works.

Brutus says that he introduced me to Brown’s book recently.

I knew Lawrence Brown. I read The Might of the West for the first time in the 1960s. I have two copies here and have read it over a dozen times. I helped get it republished in the 1970s BY MY LITERARY AGENT, Joe Binns.

Bill Rusher, who wrote the Foreword to my first book, helped Brown get The Might of the West published in 1963.

Pain apparently thought I was talking about another Brown, on which Brutus corrected him, which is what people do in seminars.

Backbaygrouch gave us some solid history I am grateful for. He corrected me.

I’m winging it here. I present my own version, not as a tablet of stone, but as a possible substitute for the laughable crap our whole thinking is based on. This is very strange thing to do in our present world, but it is the nature of a seminar.

Pain says he never met a historian who thought the middle Ages were stagnant. In my world, the word “Renaissance” always meant a rebirth of learning when the writings of Classical Society were rediscovered. The Classical Writings were essential to the rebirth True Civilization.

These matters are much more disturbing to Pain and Backbaygrouch than they are to the rest of us. It is essential in a seminar that each participant let everybody know exactly where he is coming from. Pain and backbaygrouch make it clear up front that they are dedicated to different versions of Christianity, and each version of Christianity is rooted in a specific understanding of history. They do not appreciate my seeming to March roughshod over it.

We have all spent decades being trained by priests of different persuasion, capped off by the ultimate priests, those of Political Correctness. It is a major job for us to adjust our thinking to a seminar or the old Anglo-Saxon Moot, where someone simply said what his impressions are and expects corrections. This lesson is more important than any history I come up with.

Another lesson here for US is also not related to whether Father Bob’s stuff needs correcting, a seminar would be useless if it DIDN’T. This other lesson is a PRACTICAL understanding of how critical it is to carefully consider WHERE A PERSON IS COMING FROM.

So some in the seminar are bored sick by this recitation of a version of ancient history, where as others are offended by it. In every area of discussion, you are going to run into this all the time. A basic in persuading people in another direction is to know where they are coming from.

I am getting what I want here. I am positing things and then analyzing your reactions and getting the corrections I need. Those who are used to catechisms instead of seminars, which includes everybody today, may feel I am being tricky.

Call this The Socratic Method, based on the idea that Socrates invented thinking.

What it is the Moot, which was old long before Socrates was born.

Brutus says that he introduced me to Brown’s book recently.

I knew Lawrence Brown. I read The Might of the West for the first time in the 1960s. I have two copies here and have read it over a dozen times. I helped get it republished in the 1970s BY MY LITERARY AGENT, Joe Binns.

Bill Rusher, who wrote the Foreword to my first book, helped Brown get Might of the West published in 1963.

Pain apparently thought I was talking about another Brown, on which Dave corrected him, which is what people do in seminars.

Backbaygrouch gave us some solid history I am grateful for. He corrected me.

I’m winging it here. I present my own version, not as a tablet of stone, but as a possible substitute for the laughable crap our whole thinking is based on. This is very strange thing to do in our present world, but it is the nature of a seminar.

Pain says he never met a historian who thought the middle Ages were stagnant. In my world, the word “Renaissance” always meant a rebirth of learning when the writings of Classical Society were rediscovered. The Classical Writings were essential to the rebirth True Civilization.

These matters are much ore disturbing to Pain and Backbaygrouch than they are to the rest of us. It is essential in a seminar that each participant let everybody know exactly where he is coming from. Pain and backbaygrouch make it clear up front that they are dedicated to different versions of Christianity, and each version of Christianity is rooted in a specific understanding of history. They do not appreciate my seeming to march roughshod over it.

If I expected to be believed, I WOULD be marching roughshod over it. After all our training by priests of the varioud persuasions, including the one of Political Correctness, the idea of someone giving out propositions with the full awareness that many if not most are wrong, and expecting corrections, is a concept that died with the Anglo-Saxon Moot.

Another point: a lesson here for US is a PRACTICAL understanding of how critical it is to carefully consider WHERE A PERSON IS COMING FROM.

So some in the seminar are bored sick by this recitation of a version of ancient history, where as others are offended by it. In every area of discussion, you are going to run into this all the time.

My dog in this fight is to try to look back over our silly history and see how we can make Political Correctness, based on Mankind History, laughable.