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Lee SURRENDERED. Nations NEVER Surrender

Posted by Bob on July 16th, 2008 under General

Lee was CONVINCED he was defeated, so he surrendered. At Appomattox a
brigadier general from South Carolina (where else?) told Lee that, instead of surrendering, what was left of the Confederate Army should drop what few weapons it had left and run for the mountains for a guerrilla war.

He said Lee should advise other Southerners to continue the resistance.

Lee ignored this fanatic.

Under the Union government he accepted by his surrender, Lee had no more freedom of speech than we have today. His citizenship was taken away and he had to be silent about everything he really thought to stay in the US.

But it is clear that he regretted his decision on April 9, 1865 to the end of his days.

Let us go back to the theme I set out in “Defeatism is the ONLY Enemy.” Lee decided he had lost a war, fair and square.

Which means he never saw the South as a NATION.

Nations NEVER surrender.

In the oceans of ink spilled over the Civil War, a major portion is criticism of Jefferson Davis for always appointing Lee as Commander and Chief subject to himself. Only in the final emergency did Davis give Lee full powers as Commander in Chief.

Lee did only one thing with that total command, and he regretted it until his dying day. Lee not only did not allow his forces to head for the hills, but he surrendered ALL Confederate forces everywhere.

Which left the South totally at the mercy and good will of the North.

Fifty years before Lee made his one Great Political Decision, Russia made the opposite one.

Napoleon had conquered Moscow, Russia’s Richmond. Napoleon had defeated every Russian army and Russia was simply prostrate. But Russia was a NATION.

Lee ordered every Southerner to accept that the South was not a nation.

We were a movement that had lost fair and square.

Could the North have done all that to us if we had had a military core as guerrilla force in the mountains? Could the North have done all that to us if each army had to decide for itself what to do next?

The Union Army occupied the South in exactly the same way that Napoleon occupied Russia in 1812 and Britain occupied America in 1780. Napoleon occupied the land his army STOOD on. Britain occupied the part of America it STOOD on. Yankee armies occupied the Southern land they STOOD on.

The one difference was that Lee SURRENDERED.

Nations NEVER surrender

  1. #1 by shari on 07/16/2008 - 7:09 pm

    My prayer is, dear Jesus, help us to never think that we are defeated.

  2. #2 by mderpelding on 07/16/2008 - 7:49 pm

    I have always thought that Bobby Lee was a Virginian.
    That he resigned his commission in the U.S. Army because the U.S. Army considered Virginia as an enemy.
    Bobby Lee commanded the Army of Northern Virginia.

    Bobby Lee didn’t resign his commission, nor betray his oath over the Confederacy.
    He was a patriot. He defended the land of his fathers.

    He never saw the South as a Nation because the confederate states never saw themselves as a Nation.

    That was a Yankee thing.

    Nations are based on location.

    So a nationalist thinks that all people in any location must be the same, because they share a common location.

    But patria is based on lineage.

    The Southern Nation of Jeff Davis was a multiculture.

    Just like the Northern Nation of Lincoln.

    Jeff Davis was loyal to “a way of life”, not a people.

    The same can be said for Lincoln.

    A nation is a shared land. An abstraction.

    The Southern Nation was a biracial entity.

    A land of Europeans and Africans.

    Not exactly something to live for.
    Or die for.

    Bobby Lee was right not to sacrifice his men for a southern nation.

  3. #3 by Tim on 07/17/2008 - 7:54 pm

    Winners Never Quit and quitters NEVER win.

    Great post Bob. You are 100% correct. The only people in the North that WANTED to fight were the Elites who were NOT fighting (typical). The only Rebels who wanted to quit were the Elites who were sitting at the table negotiating surrender!

    A guerrilla style campaign modeled on the Sons of Liberty would have easily won. No Yankee wanted to fight. The Irish Draft Riots were epic.

    You are 100% correct on the ethnics supporting the South. Hell, everyone but a handful of religious nuts and the elites supported the South. Kinda like now with us. Only the Elites and a few religious nuts oppose us. And they are hanging by a thread due to our Bugs Internet Guerrilla campaign. And we are just a handful. But that is all takes is a handful of revolutionaries with a BW leading them.

    It always works……always……….as long as YOU DON’T QUIT.

  4. #4 by JBB on 07/18/2008 - 2:39 pm

    Excuse me, mderpelding, but I do not understand your post of July 16th, 2008 at 7:49 pm. You wrote:

    He [Lee] never saw the South as a Nation…
    …the confederate states never saw themselves as a Nation.
    The Southern Nation of Jeff Davis…
    A nation is…an abstraction.
    The Southern Nation was…a land of Europeans…
    Bobby Lee was right not to sacrifice his men for a southern nation.

    I’m not sure what your definition of a nation is, but I’m fairly sure I don’t agree with it.

    Concerning R.E. Lee, he was without question one of the finest men to have ever lived on this planet.

    He was also, in my opinion, the wrong choice for Commanding General of the Army of Northern Virginia. I believe his affinity for the U.S. Army in particular, and the United States in general instilled in him an overwhelming desire NOT to defeat the Army of the Potomac. I think his choice of rank insignia—Colonel—on his Confederate Army uniform is indicative that in his heart he never fully resigned the U.S. Army where, too, he had been a Colonel. Upon rendering his resignation (and turning down the offered post of commander of the federal forces), he told the Secretary of War he hoped his country, Virginia, would NOT call upon him to serve. (I believe Longstreet could have, and would have, defeated the federals—without compunction).

    And while you feel Lee was right not to…

    Pardon the interruption but I just can’t get my mind around your last line, “Bobby Lee was right not to sacrifice his men for a southern nation.” It’s a general’s job to sacrifice men and material for the immediate needs of position and ability to maneuver, for probing the enemy for weakness and taking the high ground; not for preservation of nation, or for on-high notions like freedom and independence. These ideals are saved for the afterward speeches and the history books.

    Now, back to Lee’s surrender… Since you feel it was the right thing to do, it may surprise you to know that a most prominent man disagrees with you: Robert E. Lee. Years after the 1861-1865 War, Lee commented to the then governor of Texas while discussing the ravages of Reconstruction, “Had I known what business those people would make of the peace, I would NOT have surrendered at Appomattox”.

  5. #5 by mderpelding on 07/18/2008 - 8:00 pm

    What part of Robert E. Lee was a Virginian don’t you understand?

  6. #6 by JBB on 07/19/2008 - 5:57 pm

    Cute. Real cute. Ignorant, but cute.

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