Bob had a question in his reply, and I’d like to take a shot at addressing it.

Bob wrote:

His second point is harder to dismiss so easily. Blacks were not considered PART of the Southern Nation, but the Southern Nation’s “way of life” depended on blacks. I am still mulling over that one.

In reply:

I suspect “the Southern Nation’s ‘way of life’” was based on a feudal social order, and a feudal economic system.

The average White Man in the South actually outnumbered the slaves, and had it worse than the slaves. After all, they had no “right” to protection, as the feudal Lords OWED those who were in fealty to them.

So, the Southern Nation – essentially, the transplanted Elite of London, many of whom journeyed to London annually – remained a feudal social order, and those who favored the War of the Northern Aggression looked at the black slaves as luxuries that were in the way of their imposition of an Industrial Age sensibility on a feudal, agrarian social order.

Ironically, Lincoln’s (Prussian!) policies – redemption of the slaves with money from the sale of Western lands, and their shipment back to Africa – would have worked in the South’s interests far more than Calhoun could ever have imagined.

                 — AFKAN

 Mderpelding has an interesting comment about how the South was NOT a nation, since it was multicultural and biracial.

It is good point, but it has a fatal flaw. Saying a nation is multicultural is like saying that America is “a nation of immigrants.” The fatal flaw is that ALL nations are nations of immigrants. All nations have multicultural ROOTS.

His second point is harder to dismiss so easily. Blacks were not considered PART of the Southern Nation, but the Southern Nation’s “way of life” depended on blacks. I am still mulling over that one.

While I am mulling that, there is a point here I want to address.

The point I made in “Defeatism is the ONLY Enemy was based on a discussion I had before of the book War Through the Ages. When I first wrote it, no one had any comment on it.

Another thing I have written about that got no relevant comments was the TRUE arithmetic of America’s population.

Forty years ago Eric Hoffer kept pointing out that the East Coast in America is simply Europeans living abroad.
Today, if there is a diffrerence between Blue State editorials and those in Paris, I haven’t seen it.

I have pointed out that the Puritans were AmericaEnglandBritain, where they lived in exclusive communities and set up the SAME isolated communities here.. The left’s first resident aliens. They never left

No one gets the point. “Nation” is related to the word “birth.” New England was born in a European religious community. It is now dominated by people who were born in European ETHNIC communities. The difference is that the latter contain a lot of people who want to be AMERICANS and not New Englanders.

There has always been a natural alliance between white “ethnics” and the South. Our common enemy has been the New England myth that they ARE America.

New EnglandAmerica, and that no one was here before the Mayflower, thinks it IS.

Red Staters do not see this. They keep trying to trace their attitudes back to the Old Testament, the way the Pilgrim father myth of New England taught them to do.

Which leads to another continuing theme here some people probably think is irrelevant. Red StateAmerica is doing exactly what the equally successful respectable right is doing. It is framing its entire self-image on the ENEMY’S terms.

Everything here interrelates. I do short pieces and hope YOU will tie them together FOR me. AmericanRedState is not Judeo-Christian; it is a matter of population, REAL population.

America was NOT founded by immigrants. As I KEEP pointing out, at the time of the American Revolution there was a higher proportion of NATIVE BORN white Americans than any time before or since.

This is not a useless statistics. This goes the basis of the word “nation.” The last, and smallest, wave of IMMIGRATION to America before 1776 ENDED over fifty years before..: When that last wave BEGAN, it was ALREADY true that most Americans descended from GRANDPARENTS who were BORN here.

As Adam Smith pointed out in the Wealth of Nations in 1776, the American population in his time and before was doubling NATURALLY ever twenty to twenty-five years. No country has been more contrary to the nation of immigrants myth than America, simply because of geometric progression.

Not Judeo-Christian Culture, GEOMETRIC PROGRESSION.

We were BORN here. That’s what the word “nacio” MEANS.

Lee was CONVINCED he was defeated, so he surrendered. At Appomattox a
brigadier general from South Carolina (where else?) told Lee that, instead of surrendering, what was left of the Confederate Army should drop what few weapons it had left and run for the mountains for a guerrilla war.

He said Lee should advise other Southerners to continue the resistance.

Lee ignored this fanatic.

Under the Union government he accepted by his surrender, Lee had no more freedom of speech than we have today. His citizenship was taken away and he had to be silent about everything he really thought to stay in the US.

But it is clear that he regretted his decision on April 9, 1865 to the end of his days.

Let us go back to the theme I set out in “Defeatism is the ONLY Enemy.” Lee decided he had lost a war, fair and square.

Which means he never saw the South as a NATION.

Nations NEVER surrender.

In the oceans of ink spilled over the Civil War, a major portion is criticism of Jefferson Davis for always appointing Lee as Commander and Chief subject to himself. Only in the final emergency did Davis give Lee full powers as Commander in Chief.

Lee did only one thing with that total command, and he regretted it until his dying day. Lee not only did not allow his forces to head for the hills, but he surrendered ALL Confederate forces everywhere.

Which left the South totally at the mercy and good will of the North.

Fifty years before Lee made his one Great Political Decision, Russia made the opposite one.

Napoleon had conquered Moscow, Russia’s Richmond. Napoleon had defeated every Russian army and Russia was simply prostrate. But Russia was a NATION.

Lee ordered every Southerner to accept that the South was not a nation.

We were a movement that had lost fair and square.

Could the North have done all that to us if we had had a military core as guerrilla force in the mountains? Could the North have done all that to us if each army had to decide for itself what to do next?

The Union Army occupied the South in exactly the same way that Napoleon occupied Russia in 1812 and Britain occupied America in 1780. Napoleon occupied the land his army STOOD on. Britain occupied the part of America it STOOD on. Yankee armies occupied the Southern land they STOOD on.

The one difference was that Lee SURRENDERED.

Nations NEVER surrender

And this is why it is so important to propagate to whites the fact that our claims are perfected claims (a real and genuine undiluted property right), the opposite that Political Correctness teaches.

History does not repeat. The specialization that exists today is many orders greater than it was even 30 years ago, all due to the genetically endowed creativity and genius of the white race.

This has created manifold new opportunities for nonwhites to earn a living and make their way in the world. But nonwhite claims are unperfected because those opportunities are an unearned benefit conferred to them by the white race.

A claim upon unearned benefits is fine, just as long it is acknowledged they are unearned.

But to say their unearned claims are perfected, the way Political Correctness does, is a BIG LIE. And BIG LIES equal tyranny.

John McCain is every inch the nigger that Obama is. That’s because he fails to stand against the BIG LIE. Proof of these is his support for carbon credits crowd, who are using the delusional millennialism of the global warming Chicken Little’s to defraud us and steal our earnings and our property.

The real issue is freedom. And the matter of the perfection of our claims is not subject to debate no more than the premise that the sun will always rise in the east is subject to debate. That’s because our claim follows an inheritance that is rightfully OUR property. There is no hole you can crawl through to evade this and any attempt at evasion is an attempt to fashion new clothes for the BIG LIE.

Our superior claim does not follow any form of Wordism that licenses abuse of the rights of other races (the way Nazism did).That is not the issue. The issue is OUR inheritance and OUR property. What rightfully belongs to us because WE earned it.

Once white people get this through their heads, defeatism disappears and whites recover their bearing. I’m pretty sure this is happening right now.

By the way, I just loved BW’s comment, “Lady Bountiful is over! Everything that can be given away has been given away.”

That’s perfect. That states the issue perfectly.

== Dave

I have said before that as a teenager I read the official West Point history of Warfare. War Through the Ages, a number of times. It was a thousand pages long. It emphasized EXACTLY the point that the Greatest Generation ignored.

You see, the self-styled Greatest Generation wanted to show how TOUGH they were. To be frank, I have known a lot of people who fought on about every side and on every front in World War II, and every single non-American said Americans were the worst troops in it, save maybe the Italians.

Those who adopted War Through the Ages back then were not trying to prove how tough they were. They were pros and knew it.

War Through the Ages emphasized REAL morale. That is, the book described each battle in detail, but it had one theme: having the biggest army is the same as having good propaganda. Alexander the Great was routinely outnumbered umpteen to one AND THE ARMY THAT BROKE AND RAN BEOFRE HIM STILL OUTNUMBERED HIM UMPTEEN TO ONE.

Also, War Through the Ages did NOT say the members of the giant armies that broke and ran on so many battles were made up of wimps or novices. That is Greatest Generation crap.

So how did Alexander and Robert E. Lee and Napoleon get superior forces to fall apart in front of them?

There were about as many of the enemy when they ran away as when the battle began. There was ONE difference and one difference ONLY. The army that ran was CONVINCED IT HAD LOST.

That was ALL.

That is why “Power comes from the barrel of a gun!!!” is such a silly statement. In many a battle, the losing side came and ran with more gun barrels.

The ONLY job of the enemy, with or without guns, is to convince us we are defeated. Those who try to convince us we are defeated, by any means, anywhere, is the enemy.

Speaking of the defeatist semi-respectables at Chronicles one of them is carping on the Bolsheviks as they move against their right. I try to stem the tide of profundity with this simple reposte. http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=669#comments

— Simmons

In 1928, less than five years before it took power, the German National Socialist Party got less than one percent of the total vote in the national election for the Reichstag. Hitler was so little known that the foreign press kept referring to Hitler as a “monarchist.”

In fact, AFTER THE ELECTION OF 1932, when the NSDAP had a solid plurality and it and the Communists combined held a majority, meaning one of them HAD to be let into the Government, Time magazine declared that all the experts agreed that the one thing that was certain was that the Kaiser would be restored to power.

This blindness was not limited to the United States. The reason they said it was because Belgium had protested the restoration of the Kaiser that never happened and was not ABOUT to happen.

I KEEP repeating that Mussolini almost missed the March on Rome. Nobody had less idea than he did that he was about to take over Italy.

I KEEP repeating that the lesson of the Perot Phenomenon of 1992 was NOT that Perot had big ears or that he was a loon. In weeks, he went from an announcement that he was willing to run for the presidency to a solid plurality against the other two candidates, including a sitting president.

Perot was less to believe it than Mussolini was.

So all we ever hear is “All is LOST!” because we are not making steady headway that people can SEE. They point to the heavy financing of the left in America and its visibility.

So let’s take a look at the history of far left side. The Communist Party is the most consistent “also-ran” in history. For decades, before and after WWII, it consistently outpolled almost every other party in France and Italy. It KEPT a quarter to a third of the vote in many countries.

Communists controlled the unions. Communists controlled the movie industry OPENLY in Europe, while its control here was an open secret. They had enough power it the media to keep it under wraps during the McCarthy Era.

No one talks about how powerful the Communist Party was in 1932 Germany. At that time, the workers and the union vote was considered the way we now look at minorities, a solid block for the Reds.

History says that our kin d of movement is NEVER big until it suddenly explodes into power. History says that our kind of movement NEVER takes power unless the other side is growing and looking inevitable.

Nobody had any idea who Hitler and Mussolini WERE until they were suddenly absolute rulers.

Don’t tell me “Allis Lost!” Don’t tell me “All is WON!”

Read some HISTORY, for God’s sake!

ZPG is a very small cult of useful idiots about to be turned into useless idiots. Not 1 in a 100 democrats will claim to have any affinity for them.

Let me critique you on this one you are seeing the Left here as a monolith like Limbaugh does and why he has leveled off in effectiveness. The effective lion pride singles out its target, Limbaugh is a Jackal who yips at the whole herd expecting them at any moment to fall down and die for him.

Divide and conquer, and what I mean by that is that right wing rhetoric should always accentuate the fringeness, smallness and divisiveness of each of the left’s cults. You might have added into your informative post those above qualities of ZPG. Imagine telling 80IQ Yolanda to stop producing carbon copies (pun intended).

Good strategic observation from a voice of actual experience.