Bob,

Remember you said that Fleming didn’t like you? Well, you win this one.

I just got him to come out of the closet for being an immigration fanatic. Since even most liberals are for closed borders, this puts him in the radical left.

IMPORTANT! As many people as possible need to go here: http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=680#comment-172692 and call for his resignation!!!

Also, it would be nice if someone could hire a private investigator and out him in any other way.

Great catch!

Pain goes on to make a mistake. He attacks Simmons for supporting the enemy.

Don’t be a Tom Fleming, flailing out at your comrades. Either you misinterpreted Simmons or he stepped in a cow pie. If you had condemned me every time you pointed out I stepped in a cow pie you would have left BUGS years ago. You owe the same faith to our other comrades.

When you talk about a fellow seminar member, you are discussing our most precious resource.

And a note to everybody. It is hard enough to try to find someone’s particular comments in forty or fifty entries, but when someone is using a different pseudonym there, I have to give up.

GIVE THE NUMBER OF THE COMMENTS YOU ARE REFERRING TO, or use some other specific indicator.

I think it was Simmons who came up with the term “shriek and retreat.” Notice Fleming uses the same strategy, he gets caught, shrieks and then cuts off discussion.

If we cut the crap, a Great Civilization is one that gets noticed by historians because it:

1) Builds a lot of stone monuments and 2) has lots of scribes.

They are able to build lots of monuments and hire lots of scribes because they have lots of slaves.

Each Great Civilization begins with a Northern Barbarian Invasion which, as is barely mentioned, brings in the wheel or iron. By the time The Northern Invasion comes, the invaded Great Civilization consists of a brown society rich in slaves which the invaders take over. The Barbarians get comfortable and begin to assimilate with the natives. They become a brown society, rich in slaves.

Another Northern Invasion moves in, with some little addition like the wheel or the chariot.

So much for Khaldoun, Spengler, and Yockey’s dumber parts.

A society which is easily herded, by the Orient, differs from this only slightly. When Aryans reached China and gave it their genius, that genius was multiplied, but not improved upon, just as Japan has gotten EXACTLY as productive as the West, but no MORE so.

No one in the Orient even imagines that they will do more than equal the West in per capita productivity.

In all the world, only the white lands, “Scythians” and so forth, had the wheel. Soon the Orient had it too, and, with its natural reserve of slaves, was able to ORGANIZE its technology long before the West was able to harness its own genius. The Orient has a slave-master ratio that is optimal for the Tom Fleming-type Great Civilization obsessionist.

In all the deluge of oohs and aahs over Great Civilization, the spark of creativity is easy to ignore.

Historians write endlessly about pyramids, but not one has even mentioned how rare the wheel is.

So, what are your parameters for General Comments, Bob? Can a person talk about everything or anything there, or do you place limits on what can be discussed?
It’s your house and I’m just a guest, but I won’t know unless I ask. I haven’t seen any guidelines posted anywhere, other than following along what everybody else is doing, But, I may have missed some sort of posted guidelines.

– Hoosier

My “parameter’ is courtesy. If you are a boor, no rule is going to cure you.

I am proud of the fact that, with the group here, our (me and the tech team’s) ability to disapprove any comment is almost NEVER used. Even when I was criticizing AFKAN for trying to turn BUGS into a Covington Fan Club, he was still stalking about RACE, which happens to be what we are interested in.

I don’t have to tell seminary members not to talk about Texas Hold ‘Em. I would not insult them by stating that filthy language will not be tolerated here. I do not have to tell grownups that correct spelling is preferred.

Hoosier, this is GRADUATE SEMINAR, not a military academy for undisciplined retards.

Bob-

Thanks for being the smartest man anywhere, the best down-boiler ever, and for forming the finest little circle of thinkers to be found.

– Pain

“Thanks for being the smartest man anywhere”

Perfectly correct and a stunningly intellectual observation.

“the finest little circle of thinkers to be found.”

Let’s not go overboard.

A question for Bob, who has Excessive affective concern for others and so may know what I am trying to get at here:

How do you know how far to push in a debate? Playing the mad dog Pit Bull can scare away potential allies. Also, one doesn’t want to hurt the feelings of another who is on his side.

For example, you are the first pro-Southerner who is also openly sympathetic to inter-war Germany. But most of them will write one off as a Lover of Big Government and Hater of Freedom and Evil Yankee-like Tyrant if one speaks too uncritically of them.

Pain

The most important thing this makes me think of is that WE NEED MORE REPORTS FROM THE FRONT.

Lord Nelson, Prometheus, Simmons and the others of you PRACTITIONERS should have been all over this in the period when I was unable to reach General Comments. Get IN here, troops!

The second observation is that Pain makes the sort of point I appreciate: concern for others is essential to a real Moot. “How do you know how far to push in a debate?” Playing the mad dog Pit Bull can scare away potential allies.”

How far you push any point depends entirely on what you want to leave the other participants WITH. Repeat, you are not trying to WIN an argument.

What is the POINT of bringing up interwar Germany with unReconstructed Southerners? It is that here we have a case of ANOTHER proud people who were defeated and HUMILIATED. Like the South, they had to agree that the whole thing had been their fault.

In the heat of debate, as in the heat of any kind of battle, you must not lose sight of what YOU are saying. For this, you must constantly be thinking of the people you are talking TO. The point here is that the Germans were treated the way WE were after our respective wars.

I do not speak uncritically of interwar Germans. I am the one who keeps emphasizing that all the Hitler-worshipers ignore the fact that a huge segment of that German population became fanatical STALINISTS. In 1933 the combined Communist and Nazi representation in the Reichstag constitute a majority. No government could be formed without Communists or Nazis.

Ergo Hitler. This is not a case for Hitler. What IS it a case for?

After the Civil War, the South was driven to be permanent enemies of a name: Republicanism.

I came up when liberals ruled because of this. All conservative Republicans voted against General Lee. All conservatives were still voting against Reconstruction. Instead of these Middle Americans deciding elections, elections were decided by people who had no deep-rooted American identity.

We all saw the problem then. Every Southerner was a Democrat. No Midwestern conservative Republicans would vote Democratic. The swing vote was liberal. Thurmond Democrats agreed on everything with McCarthy Republicans, but they could not unite.

Hence the election of Rockefeller and Javits. Hence the nomination of liberals and moderate Republicans for president.

Your point is that vindictive victory destroys the victors.

We get very interesting citations from input to sites like Chronicles of Culture, but we get no url to refer to or, more often, a general url that takes us to a debate with forty or fifty entries. I don’t know about others, but I cannot tell which of this huge number of entries is being referred to, so it is of no use to me.

One person referred to a Helsinki Convention as a reason for denying an immigrant visa to a white South African, but no explanation of what that citation from some Helsinki Convention IS. If you want something more than sympathy, you have to tell us what it SAYS.

I just thought that I would let you know that since you are censored at work (it must be all the girly pictures), the first thing I do when I come home is to read this blog. This is what I am doing right now – even before I renew my SCV membership!

– Pain

The Internet has put the kibosh on the culture of mastery of texts as the differentiator in the “I am more educated than you are game”.

This has been very hard on Mommy Professor. Academic journals, peer review, and all those credentials just aren’t as cool as they used to be.

But what people don’t get is that mastery of texts has been replaced with mastery of English because that’s the most valuable language on the Internet and where global commerce is conducted.

Bilingualism is a sideshow. English has meaning because the whole nonwhite world wants to master it.

This was true before the advent of the Internet, but the Internet turbocharged the whole process.

What is unseen is that the demise of texts as a means of uniting disparate races and ethnicities into national polities has not only overthrown Mommy Professor, it has demolished the national identities of the 20th century multiracial and nonwhite societies in general, and left them only with the differentiator of the English language as the marker of educational attainment.

Supreme irony. At the very moment white nations are ceasing to exist, the white man’s culture is being elevated to the skies. The entire world is literally tumbling into it at breakneck speed.

Nothing is left but race because there is no uniter other than English in the educational arena. Texts are no longer relevant. And the white man is left without a country in a world that has elevated him beyond anything pre-PC 19th white men could imagine.

–Dave

Genocide

Below is a link to an example of what happens when a creep is rightly accused of being a genocidist. You will note in the posts before the one linked below, he completely controlled the discussion by accusing Southerners of this and that evil, and the Southerners spent all their energies defending the South.

When the creep was accused of genocide, he fled; the conversation has returned to normal and everyone there saw how it happened: http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=667#comment-169036

– Pain

“cultures are self-sustaining when the races that gave rise to them are subtracted, which is like thinking lungs continue breathing after the person whose chest they’re in dies.” A great quote from someone calling himself Fred Scrooby.

– Shari

I couldnot reach Gerneral Comments for a while.

Naturally that was when you started USING it. Nowe I have a HUGE backlog and all the”comments I get on articles belong in General Coments.

PLEASE GO BACK TO USING GENERAL COMMENTS!

I am lookiing at the back GCs.

The microscope and the telescope both introduced us to new worlds. We found out the real basis of many diseases when we looked into the microscope.

We found that there were microorganisms that were killing us. What we have NOT realized that there are also MACROorgnisms that kill us regularly. Like microorganisms, they live on us, and they live their own lives independent of us.

They are called institutions. I view all those monks who threw away their genes for the Zoroastrian version of Judeo-Christianity as having been CONUMED by that institution.

Where are the Shakers? They were consumed by their institution to so great an extent that it killed the institution. Every Latin country followed a policy of assimilation in its colonialism. A person was viewed as French if he was Catholic and if he spoke French, regardless of his own biological background. The result is that, while colonies became powerful extensions of the Anglo-Saxon race, South America is a poor, brown dead end for Spanish Civilization.

Americanism has the same goal, a people with the Constitution and assimilation which will be another brown dead end.

Institutions have their own evolution and their own means of survival. Wordist institutions EAT the people who are part of it, and in so doing destroy themselves.

This concept is a substitute for Spengler-Khaldoun. Neither of them noticed that the Great Civilizations they saw rising and falling rose when they were white and died when they were brown. Spengler and Khaldoun obsessed on the institutions, the Great Civilizations, and never noted that they became diseases.