Christ did not come to tell people that the Christ was COMING. One thing official history carefully avoids is that it was not only Jews who expected a Messiah. And official history desperately avoids the fact that “Jews” were not even primarily in Palestine.
Ten percent of the Roman population consisted of Hellenic Jews who did not know a word of Hebrew. They visited Israel the way their descendants, today’s Christians, visit Israel. History will someday say that all the Christians today were in Israel.
The Jews got their concept of a Messiah where they got everything else: from Zoroastrianism. In the West before Christianity Heracles gave his life for men.
But the point here is that Jesus did NOT come to earth to announce ***A*** Messiah, and John the Baptist did not say that there would be ***A*** Messiah. People assumed that.
Jesus’ message was that HE WAS the Messiah.
Please note that not a word of what I just said is theology. It is HISTORY. An atheist needs to know it more than a religious person does, because a religious person can adjust reality to his beliefs but an atheist can’t.
The real historical world Christianity took over is important to US.
Christian history is adhered to slavishly by atheistic professors. The first lesson of REAL Church history is WHY this is so. Official Christian history wants the Faith to be absolutely unique. All the basis of the Faith is supposed to be a straight line through Israel, and ONLY Israel.
If you think about it, atheist professors have EXACTLY that same goal. Real Christian history contains a struggle that is very relevant to ours today. Like us, the Church grew up, not in a vacuum, but in struggle with OTHER very similar. belief systems. Real Christianity was almost taken over, and WAS permanently diseased by, the Intellectuals who looked to the East, who shouted only those who lived in the Intellectual Truths of their day could attain Salvation.
Sound familiar?
#1 by Dave on 12/19/2008 - 1:01 pm
Christianity is growing like wildfire throughout India, Southeast Asia, China, and even into North Korea.
Everywhere it is suffused with identity politics, but only in the Communist states does it act against Political Correctness. Everywhere else this ignition of long suppressed Christianity plays neatly into the hands of Political Correctness, particularly in (formerly) white countries.
It is a freight train. The Mantra is the alarm for white people to get off the tracks.
#2 by shari on 12/19/2008 - 1:21 pm
I think that this is what Christ referred to as being IN the world but not OF the world. We are not forsake everything and everybody for NOWHERE. I agree with Dave, that we need to get off the tracks, but that doesn’t mean we should embrace atheism.
#3 by Pain on 12/19/2008 - 3:03 pm
Actually Bob, as you know, I am a historian. There is no evidence that anything theological came to us from Zoroastrianism at all. That is an outdated notion from about 200 years ago that crops up now and then with amateurs. The simple fact for you to remember is that the entire Zoroastrian religious corpus was burned and what little remains today was recreated from memory by the priests, long after Christianity had spread to Persia and beyond. The influence of Christianity in the East was so great, that at one time there were more Christians in the Church of the East than in the Greek and Latin churches combined.
Since all the Iranian religious documents were written down after the Christian period, it would be preposterous to assume that any resemblances between Christianity and Zoroastrianism are because Zoroastrianism was the source.
#4 by Tim on 12/19/2008 - 9:55 pm
Christianity is simply our ancient Druidic teachings made into “Mystery Babylon”. Simply put, the Christian stories, rituals, symbols are all Druidic. In my opinion, it is not even a close call with all research coming out on the Druids. (an I am not talking about the modern druids on Youtube)
Druids were not some little sect of tree worshipers in Europe. Nor were they all the same. They were all over the place and some traveled just like the “traveling monks”.
If someone were to arrive on this planet and look at the Anglicans and the Evangelicals they would assume they are practicing a different faith. But actually they are all Christians with different flavors (albeit radically different flavors). The Druids were identical in this regard.
Judaism was created around the same time as Christianity. This is being proven. Judaism is simply Talmudism made into a more exclusive faith. Talmudism is based around the Mosaic Laws made into another Babylonian Mystery Religion. As Dr Duke has been telling us —-the Talmud supersedes everything for the Rabbis. The Talmud is actually called the “Babylonian Talmud”.
Now the question becomes:”Who started this mystery religion process”? The Jews in the New Testament that Christ is referring are not the same as the Jews today. We know this. The “Jew” only applied to a core group of Sadducees, Pharisees and Scribes. Specifically, I believe the Pharisees ran Talmudism. And those that ran Talmudism were refereed to as Jews. I came across an arcane researcher who made an interesting claim regarding the word Jew. He stated it did NOT come from Judea nor did it come from the Tribe of Judah. Jew was a take on an ancient phrase used for Druids in training—-“Sons of the YEW”. This phrase “Sons of Yew” was used all over the place in different languages among our people when they went into the shamanic tradition. A medicine man in training if you will. True? Jew comes from Yew? I would buy it. It was the most Jewish thing I had ever heard. Total Wordism.
We know this group of people got their start in Babylon. I also believed something happened in Egypt that brought them to power there as well (maybe an alliance like they try to do now?). If you go back to Babylon you will see there were these heavy duty Druids there called the Culdees. We know that they were versed in the Kaballah. I also believe that this is were these Pharisees got their start. The Jewish calendars all go back to around this time in Babylon. The Jewish/Talmudic calendar is a Druidic Lunar Calendar. Remember the old adage, Semites do not invent. The Druids used to rise every night and record the Moons relationship to Venus and of course so did the Culdees. They kept many calendars. All over ancient Europe we read continuously about Bards. But very few people know that Bards were a type of lower level Druid tied to this ancient shamanic tradition.
Interesting to note, Anglosphere is always trying to partner these days with ANYTHING but Europeans. We got the brown Hindus we are partnering with all over the place. We got the Chinese partners. We basically gave a manufacturing economy away to them. The Queen of England supposedly has Nimrod the ty of Babylon in her genealogy. Interesting connection? Maybe. In my opinion, something in London does not like our race (or anything else). But especially our race. What Queen would try to replace her own people?
Interesting to note Bob, the famous Magi’s in Persia were most likely from the same ancient Shamanic tradition (I would bet money on it —the Culdees were right there). Zorastriasm is simply based on the ancient shamanic tradition of the Aryans in that particular area (I refer to these ancient indo-European shamanic tradition as Druidic for much the same reason we refer to all the North American Indians Medicine Men as Indian Medicine Men). As far as the two different Zorastrian Gods go, Greek Mythology has two Brothers that are the main characters. Zeus who’s title is God–Lord of Heavens (he owns the heavens) and his brother Poseidon who’s title was Lord–God of Seas (he owns the seas). And if you read the Odyssey, you will come to conclusion that Poseidon is NOT nice. Zeus is pretty good over all. But Poseidon is pretty much the Devil to poor Odysseus. And the same goes with Hindu Mythology. You have Indra with his lightning weapon who is the good god and the other god who is the destroyer named Kali or as the story goes Shiva in a destructive form named Kali. All Aryan faiths and all similar concepts. What is interesting is how the the names change but the attributes and the titles never change. For instance, Indra and Zeus are both referred to as the Lord of Heavens. Another big difference of course, is that Greek Mythology did NOT become a mystery religion. Zorastrianism most likely did become a mystery religion (and I will bet money it did). I know damn well Hinduism has been contaminated and Buddhism most certainly has “mystery religion” component.
In closing, I would submit. That the wordism comes into play from taking our ancient shamanic tradition and making it into a mystery religion. Thus universalizing and gobblygooking it. Killing us in the process. Instead of starting with the TRIBE and going up from there and getting a universal application (like the N.A. Indians still do). We are flipped upside down. So we universalize from the Top down instead of the from the bottom up. This has caused all our problems.
Right now we have the Environmentalists who have a wordist religion. And they would make it Wordist Law if they could —-cutting heads off and burning heretics alive. We all know Environmentalists that are smart and on their game. We also read and see Environmental nuts who would burn heretics alive just as fast as the Protestants/Catholics of old. The Environmentalists NEVER start with our tribe and work their way up. They are only interesting in the Universal application of what this means for the world. Once again, upside down. They are not grounded. We are bereft of the “appropriate” rights and rituals to keep us grounded. They have all been gobbly gooked into Judaism/Christianity.
Mystery Babylon = OUR ancient shamanic tradition made into a mystery faith = WORDISM = A TOTAL Aryan Brown out
I believe this goes back a lot longer than we think. Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Buddhism etc, etc, etc. and now Christianity. 1700 years ago there was an all out assault on the Druids. And we have been upside down ever since. Even the new age Druids are upside down.
By the way, the things in Judaism like first fruits etc were totally Druidic. You can still read the Greek Classics and get episodes of first fruits being tithed etc. Thats because things like the “Oracle of Delphi” and the Priests of Appollo’s Groves etc…etc were all tied to this ancient shamanic tradition. The modern Jews use the word OLAM (I will have to check to see the spelling) to describe their diaspora. The word OLAM originally comes from the Ruling Council of Druids. And on and on it goes. Like a big puzzle to unravel.
We have to remember that Aryans travel and we travel a whole lot —-the Middle East is not a huge area. Furthermore, the Middle East did not look anything like it did today. Anymore than America looked anything like it did today.
This was the first time on Bugs I ventured into religion. I do not like posting something just to post. I have spent the last year and half researching this stuff in my spare time. The challenge is that we do NOT know our history. Bob has pointed this out many times with the Dark Age garbage etc etc. The previous poster pointed out that we do NOT know jack about Zorastrianism. But we do have what is happening in front of our faces. And we do know Aryans and our tendencies. I will write more about this subject. When it comes to religion. People refuse to listen once active measures are in place. All religions are a racket. I will expand more on certain concepts.
Now that I have laid some ground work on the Druids. My next piece will be about the Druidic Ritual —–“THE KILLING OF THE KING”. In the UK, they chant: “the king is dead, the king is dead —LONG LIVE THE KING.” And despite its playfull sound. In my opinion, this specific ritual was and IS a big deal to our race.
#5 by shari on 12/20/2008 - 11:04 am
The importance of the REAL is that it simplifies and gives a clear sight, not complicates and complicates.
#6 by Bob on 12/21/2008 - 11:05 am
Pain, Christianity never spread to Persia. Persia stayed Z until conquered by Islam.
#7 by AFKANNow on 12/21/2008 - 2:15 pm
Thanks to Tim for an educational exposition; it is deeply appreciated. I think the subject matter might be a bit more complex than you have made it out to be, but, that’s me.
Bob made a fascinating point.
Bob wrote:
in reply:
I think that is part of the Greater Challenge facing our Race, and that is how we restore Christianity to what it should have been, and renew Christianity into what it could become, as the spiritual Home of our Race, as well as the spiritual Aspect of Western Civilization.
I know this much:
The Masculine Aspect MUST be restored, and enhanced. In short, the Church Temporal must become the Church Militant, without fear or favor, and without a nonmeritocratic, soft, kinder, gentler, women’s clothes-wearing, gelded Priesthood controlling anything whatsoever.
Look at the communities in America that are the most matriarchal – the Faith Colored Companion communities, run by women in all but name, and sometimes, in name, as well.
Now, look at the communities where Islam has taken the strongest hold.
Why?
Well, aside from the intellectual inconsistency and abrogation of moral duty that has been the hallmark of the Christian Church, it’s because Islam is relentlessly, unapologetically MASCULINE.
#8 by Tim on 12/22/2008 - 1:09 pm
“Thanks to Tim for an educational exposition; it is deeply appreciated. I think the subject matter might be a bit more complex than you have made it out to be, but, that’s me.”
Afkannow,
Thanks for the compliment. What I wrote was long and wordy. However, I cut it short because it is such a difficult concept for Aryans to get their hands around (speaking for myself at least). The subject is simply:”what is wrong here” and then “how did it get this way”. And you are right it is more complicated than a few paragraphs on a Bugs.
But in sense it can be quite simple. For instance, prior to Christianity our ancestor’s natural faiths never feared death. Please read the following quote from the Roman Alerius Maximus (and a few others thrown in to illustrate the point):
“The Druids have so firm a conviction of the immortality of the soul, that they advance sums of money to their friends on the understanding that such money, or its equivalent, is to be repaid when they meet after death.” (Lib. ii. c. 6.) ” It is certain,” states Lucan, “the Druidic nations have no fear of death. Their religion rather impels them to seek it. Their souls are its masters, and they think it contemptible to spare a life the return of which is so sure.”
We now have all things hangups about death from Christianity. I could go and on. By, the way these beliefs to some extent came into Islam.
That is just one example. But any European can see the results from this little upside move from “fearlessness of death” to “fearing death” has resulted in how we live our lives and a myriad of other things.
I actually debated getting into the subject of religion on Bugs. Simply because it is difficult and lengthy. But I have come toa different perspective on our ancient faiths and how they fit in to what is going on now with our race and Christianity. So I thought that posting what was currently going through my mind would spark someone into a Bugs moment. That long piece was not very Bugsish.
#9 by AFKANNow on 12/22/2008 - 4:59 pm
in reply to Tim:
I tend to view “evolution,” as it refers to Mankind, as the Evolution of Consciousness.
Thus, note that, for the West, Rome was the first time that thought went into controlling property from beyond the grave; the creation of “wills.”
Until THAT point – ie, Greece, and, before that, the Egypto-Chalden Mythos – there was an agreed-upon agreement that “life” was part of the process of “life, and death,” where the price of incarnation is the loss of the full Awareness of the the transcendent Spirit.
My focus is on renewing WHAT CHRISTIANITY HAS BECOME from within, a day at a time.
First, we must get rid of so much that has been added to the Christian Mythos, in the name of temporal control of the Christians.
After all, as BUGS people fully recognize, it is much easier to conquer and control a province with one man, who they think is closer to God than them, and controls the fate of the souls, than legions, and armies of legions.
Race.
Only one moves forward, “Toward The Stars.”
The rest, with their “religions,” are trapped, and seem quite happy in the trap.