I haven’t been keeping up with it, but the Norwegian who did the Oslo killings seems to have been a Tea Party type.
That is to say, this extremist is allowed to denounce runaway immigration, and at the same time, as a Wordist “Christian,” he is pro-Israel.
The guy doing the shooting at the Holocaust Memorial was an 88-year-old white man.
There is going to be a lot of violence, because violence is ALWAYS the result when you forcibly shut off discussion of any important issue.
Naturally when an incident like Oklahoma City or Oslo comes up, the left says it is a result of not suppressing the other side enough. Even more naturally no respectable conservative EVER points out that violence comes from suppressing discussion of an issue.
I remember when Colmes told Hannity that the gun issue was not gone, because there would be another mass killing incident and gun control would be front and center again. He was practically salivating over the prospect. Anybody who did that on the right would lost his respectability pay check instantly.
After that there were incidents, but for decades every time a person shot down a group of unarmed, I repeat, unarmed, people, it caused an immediate cry for gun control. But since it finally filtered down even to the respectable conservatives that a mass killer can only operate when nobody has a gun, this clamor stopped.
I was doing stuff on that when I was on Capitol Hill in the 80s, and the National Rifle Association, being respectable, put forth the weakest conceivable arguments. Again and again the membership had to clear wimps out of the leadership.
Like Stormfront, the NRA always quit using an argument when the anti-gun forces said, “You have said that over and over.” The NRA did not require an ANSWER before it stopped making perfectly true points.
If what the NRA said made the anti-guns uncomfortable, they had a set of tactics to make these wimps abandon what they were saying because it wasn’t sophisticated.
#1 by backbaygrouch on 07/28/2011 - 6:35 am
Your caveat on not being up to speed on the tragedy in Norway is well deployed. What has been uncovered about Anders Breivik is close to 180 degrees from what you gleaned from early MSM reports.
1. He is not a Tea Party type. They may be implicitly White but they are ostentatiously multiracial. Breivik is assertively White.
2. His Christianity appears to derive from being Norwegian. It is a cultural identification more than a religious faith. Not a Wordist approach.
3. His admiration for Israel is not derived from a tendentious fixation of a few obscure OT passages. It is more of a my-enemy’s-enemy-is-my-friend evaluation. He wants Muslims out of Europe, they want Muslims out of Palestine.
A quick way to explore Breivik’s political persona would be to go the Occidental Observer. Dr. MacDonald has made some excellent, brief points after reviewing Breivik’s writings.
#2 by OldBlighty on 07/28/2011 - 6:51 am
“There is going to be a lot of violence, because violence is ALWAYS the result when you forcibly shut off discussion of any important issue.”
Thank you Bob. This is the talking point I was hoping for.
#3 by BGLass on 07/28/2011 - 7:53 am
“There is going to be a lot of violence, because violence is ALWAYS the result when you forcibly shut off discussion of any important issue.”
More could use a pithy word. In a related way, violence is a result of the sense of invalidation, the invalidation of one’s total Reality. Invalidation of the ‘whole self’ that happens when discussion of who one is, how one is affected, is shut off, the effect of people without voice, representation, when discussion of anything about how the group is affected is cut off for another’s agenda.
By the time Genocide Watch puts S.A white on a list beyond “polarization” it is over, maybe. Once polarization happens, people are perceiving in completely different realities, (cannot even fathom the other point of view, motivations, etc.), as they exist for other groups. The rest of the scene just plays out. they see “the other” from within their own motivational framework, not at all from what that group might say about itself. What it says about itself can only be perceived as “a lie.”
That it is called “Identity Politics” shows people know this is a step to genocide and just don’t care.
No one ever defines Identity Politics on t.v. for the people. What is it? Where did it come from? Who made it up? What does it mean for the common people—and of any races?
Identity Politics denies some groups, not others, an Identity. (The suppression of who one IS, how one is affected.) And that suppression threatens to produce the very fiercest violence.
The step beyond denial of an issue, (a thing one is trying to get to survive, or the voice saying how one is affected so as to facilitate a change to enable a better situation) is the denial of a self.
Anyone who has been shamed and propagandized extensively, in order to shame them into voicing one opinion and not others, is censorship. The indoctrination of self-censorship.
#4 by Dick_Whitman on 07/28/2011 - 12:24 pm
One thing that the Norway incident proves is that violence is absolutely pointless and counterproductive.
Attacking the anti-White system with violence is attacking them that their strongest point. This is like charging the Maginot line. The anti-Whites jump up and down with glee when someone White conducts such an attack.
It also punishes innocent people. Blowing up a building with mid-level bureaucrats or shooting up teenagers who can’t think for themselves doesn’t even make a dent in the forces of White genocide.
Instead, the focal point, or “systempunkt” (1) should be the anti-White’s zeitgeist-node (ideas, discourse, assumptions, mythology) within the greater anti-White system/network.
The zeitgeist-node is their most vulnerable point, which is why they demand total information dominance. This is why they can’t allow any dissenting voices in the MSM and is why they deny a group of egg-headed academics the right to freedom of association (see American Renaissance).
Of course, we know the system is vehemently anti-White as no-one was screeching about leftest or non-White “hate speech” after they caught the DC snipers, or after an Asian shot up a college in Virginia, or after college students disrupt right-wing speakers with violence and vandalism on campus.
Outlawing “hateful speech” only applies to Whites for the purpose of White genocide. The President of the United States attended a church for 20 years that openly incited race-hate towards White people but the SPLC or ADL have nothing to say about how this may influence the behavior of blacks towards Whites.
This year has seen a plethora group attacks by blacks (aka “youths”) on White people but we haven’t heard one iota of “outrage” by the “watchdog groups” on what could be causing this (perhaps Chris Mathews claiming the Tea Party is “too White” is the cause?”).
The anti-Whites praise their Talmudic God when attacks like this in Norway occur. They have the exact opposite reaction to seeing the Mantra. When people go on shooting sprees it’s due to a loss of hope. The Mantra not only smashes the zeitgeist-node, it brings hope to those individuals who wish to secure a future for White children. Had the Norway terrorist been aware of the Mantra, this pointless act of violence probably wouldn’t have happened.
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systempunkt
#5 by Frank on 07/28/2011 - 1:57 pm
Dr. Kevin MacDonald has picked up on and is spreading the White Genocide meme over at TOO:
“Parenthetically, Breivik includes a wonderful article by Fjordman dissecting Eriksen and other high priests of White genocide.”
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/07/anders-breivik-as-a-nordicist/#more-9294
#6 by OldBlighty on 07/28/2011 - 2:19 pm
I noticed Breivik had a white genocide picture in his video. It wasn’t one of ours though. It was Europe with a gun in her mouth, The gun was held by a liberal hand and the hammer was being primed by Islam.
Jooser sites are calling him what amounts to a wordist and are disassociating themselves from him. Kevin McDonald and Occidental Dissent think there is more to him.
At any rate, he talks far too much about Islam and culture for my liking. If he is pro white, he is appealing to the wrong crowd.
#7 by H.Avenger on 07/28/2011 - 2:23 pm
This is a timely post. Thanks Bob (and check your Skype again)
Closed Societies like the Political Correct Societies that we live in are always brought down with sound. The power of the system is in the contradictions that hold it together. However that is the weakness of the system. And at the right time the system is vulnerable to someone going on message and pointing out these contradictions.
The Berlin Wall was not brought down with bombs. The Berlin Wall came down as the result of a pressure wave. Pressure Waves are always the result of a sound and a vibration. Pressure Waves as a result of a consistent message have the illusion of being peaceful. They are not. But they are LEGAL. The White Noise of something like the Mantra is anything but passive. That is why we are given so much media attention! (LOLZ)
Not to say a closed society cannot be brought down through violence. There could always be a first time for anything. But history always shows that these type of closed systems feed off violence. The violence in places like Yugoslavia happened AFTER the Berlin Wall came down…..not before.
Two good points about a consistent message.
1. Consistent messages have a great track record of working. 2. The Mantra is totally legal. These are two wonderful points. So wonderful that our enemy ignores us totally.
First Western Elites flood White Countries and ONLY White countries with 3rd worlders. All done without a vote and anyone that says anything is a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
Second. The same Western Elites attempt to FORCE integrate these same immigrants in White Communities (and ONLY White Communities like Marin County, CA). This is all done with the aid of federal laws .
Anyone that objects is a automatically a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
Third. They push intermarriage/interracial relationships night and day in all the media and even the newspaper advertisements in White Countries (and only White Countries).
Anyone that objects is guess what? Can you guess?
naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews
Lastly, the same Western Elites inform us of our inevitable brown future.
hmmmm
Supposedly this program is not Anti-White and supposedly this is not GeNOcide. S-U-R-E.
Again all these things were done without a vote in “democratic” countries. Furthermore, no discussion or debate was ever allowed. Now some Elites are apparently surprised that someone White committed such an act of violence.
“Suppression always leads to Violence”
The above quote says it all.
#8 by shari on 07/28/2011 - 3:24 pm
Speaking of consistent message, I’m reminded what the despicable Rahm Emmanuel said about never letting a good crisis go to waste. The Norway tragedy won’t go to waste either. There are those who are determined to redeem something good from that horrer, by staying on message.
#9 by OldBlighty on 07/28/2011 - 3:37 pm
Here’s how you fight it:
Do the Anti-Whites have no shame at all?
Already it has become obvious the Anti-Whites will use the murder of the poor innocent people in Norway, to justify and continue their genocidal agenda, against the White people of Europe!
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.