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#1 by Simmons on 10/31/2011 - 9:36 am
Speaking of jewish whatever, imagine you are the speaker up on stage in front of a very large crowd of people who could be swayed, but who could also become very angry at you. What would you like as your rhetorical weapon, the Mantra or jewish banker conspiracy jibber jabber?
I wish Dave were here to address this issue as he so accurately describes our ordeal as an interogation in terms that are easily relatable.
#2 by OldBlighty on 10/31/2011 - 10:23 am
“imagine you are the speaker up on stage in front of a very large crowd of people who could be swayed, but who could also become very angry at you. ”
I wonder if some can’t tell when they are losing? Either that, or they are prepared to be right and lose, rather than do whatever works, in order to win. Does that attitude make them pro White martyrs?
I was following a conversation on White News Now, where they were whining about the sorry state of White Nationalism and how no one wants to hear about the Jews. Their solution was to give people more of what they don’t like or want.
Imagine if you ran a business that way. How long would you last?
#3 by BGLass on 10/31/2011 - 11:04 am
Curious about jews, I spent some time with orthodox jews. My report on this exploration was that by themselves, they just call themselves jews. The secular and reform jews (whose conversions the orthodox don’t even acknowledge) get really offended. Knew one of those, and we were talking, and i said, ‘well, you’re a jew.” He was spitting mad. Ironically, the very thing that the real rabbis i had met saw as a source of pride, the very name of who they were, was taken as an insult by the secular guy. He had no idea that many real rabbis just call themselves jews, since he rarely seemed to make it to the shul for the ‘high’ holy days. He said that to not call him jewish, instead of A jew, was rude. He was a jew, but had spent no real time finding out about being a jew, (even though he would get mad, lol) the way some whites assume they are european, but spend no time on it at all, (learning the languages, reading the authors, studying the art and music, and western civilization, the inter-fightings of the europeans and so on).
Henceforth, they shall be called whitish, lol. (“implicits”)
On ‘the white voice,’ in an interview with taylor, he compares episcopalians and jews a few times, saying they are the same, 9-2-08. idk about going that whitish.
#4 by Simmons on 10/31/2011 - 11:20 am
Jibber jabber is safe if one is with your particular sub-cult, even the AmRenners are basically an IQ professor sub-cult and like the jew jibber jabber folks they are factually correct.
As Bob continually notes those are details that we whites can iron out once we right our ship and avoid the genocide planned for us.
We bugsters are going to have to create an aristocracy or inform an existing one that can dominate these sub-cults and make their jibber jabber folk useful.
#5 by Byron on 10/31/2011 - 11:24 am
Speaking of interrogations…I have read a few books about the Reid Technique, which is supposedly used by LE agencies as well as FBI/CIA. Usually, interrogators are like any other high pressure salesman getting you to do what isn’t in your best interest, like buying a bunk product or confessing to/implicating others in a crime, in the case of an interviewer/interrogator.
Is the Reid Technique used on a larger scale, psychologically convincing the masses to act against their perceived self interest?
#6 by H.Avenger on 10/31/2011 - 1:28 pm
Byron,
The social engineering techniques used by our dear elites incorporate a potpourri of different schools of thought. Most of them relate to psychological warfare….and not interrogation. And that includes Antiwhite teachers forcing subjects to confess to their whiteness etc etc. This is all psychological Warfare of various different forms.
Effective Interrogators rarely if ever go into that high pressure salesmen bit. Many people these days confuse interrogation and making someone confess. You can make anyone confess to anything. But interrogation should go to find the truth through effective questioning…..MAKING someone confess to something is meaningless in regards to the actual truth.
#7 by Byron on 10/31/2011 - 2:44 pm
Thanks for the reply. There is a difference between an interview and an interrogation, from a LE standpoint, as an example. Once it is an interrogation, yes, it involves high pressure salesman tactics. Depending on what step of the method you are on, you shout, interrupt, lie, etc.
It is absolutely the essence of psychological warfare. It’s also brainwashing in the most literal definition. I want you to believe what I say and act accordingly, even if it’s not in your interest to do so.
Lead us to the body and you’ll feel better and be treated leniently. Yeah, right.
Even in the case of false confessions, that even points to the effectiveness of the technique more.
My question was, this is usually done on an individual basis, is it currently being done on a larger scale by our enemies, and could it also be employed by us?
I assumed Whitaker would be familiar with the Reid method and could speak on it, if he hasn’t covered it somewhere else.
#8 by OldBlighty on 10/31/2011 - 9:52 pm
Byron
“Depending on what step of the method you are on, you shout, interrupt, lie, etc.”
“is it currently being done on a larger scale by our enemies, and could it also be employed by us?”
I can’t speak for everyone, but I present the Mantra as a lure and wait for the anti-Whites to bite. It is irresistible to them BTW.
First the anti-White Denies it is White Genocide, then they Justify it, using endless excuses.
All I do is point the above out, over and over again, while demolishing their excuses for White Genocide and pointing out they are only excuses for White Genocide.
As for our enemies, they tell lies and talk nonsense every time they open their mouths. But they won this war, while losing every rational debate, because they used endless repetition and stayed on message at all times. This is how they imposed their terminology on us. When you impose your terminology (make your enemy accept your labels for them), you win.
As you say, they like to shout and scream. The intent of that, is to intimidate and pathologize all opposition. But their most powerful tool, is repeating a consistent message endlessly.
They do it because it works.
We are different to them, in that we tell the truth (all White countries and only White countries), destroy anti-White nonsensical arguments in public and employ ridicule. We are the same, in that we use a consistent message that works, so we can impose terminology.
If you want to understand the process quickly, go out with the Swarm and watch the experienced members in action on Youtube. More importantly, join in with them and be willing to accept correction. This is something you can only learn by doing.
#9 by James C on 11/01/2011 - 11:30 am
Setting the trap has to be one of my favorite things about the Mantra (along with reclaiming Moral Superiority).
The enemy’s little drones have been so pumped full of anti-white venom that they can’t wait to spew it all over the place.
All you have to do is give them the opportunity – “what sins and atrocities has the white race commited against other races?”
You can allow them to expound on how evil we are and they will admit why they support White Genocide, while at the same time acknowledging our existence AS a race.
“do you think the world would be better if whites were extinct as a race, ‘assimilated’?”
They’ll wax poetically about a Utopian future devoid of white people.
At this point they’ve confessed everything and you can go in for the kill. “so what you “anti-racists” really want is to drive my race, the White race, into extinction though immigration and ‘assimilation'”
“only one race/ no such thing as race”
“earlier you blamed “the white race” for crimes against “other races”, but now ‘there’s only one race, the HUMAN race/ race is just a social construct’.
“You’ve also admitted your only real goal is the elimination of ONE single race from the planet. There’s a word for that – it’s Genocide.”
“You’ve even explained WHY you support White Genocide, because you believe that white people are innately evil and the world would be better without us.”
They really are every bit as deranged and fanatical as the Moslem terrorists and neo-nazis you see on all the lousy cop shows. The ones that act principled until cornered by the hero interrogators; they go from denying to justifying to lashing out in a violent outburst in which their sole motivation, unreasoning hatred, is exposed for all to see.
Then the game is over.
Check and mate.
#10 by OldBlighty on 11/01/2011 - 12:04 pm
They have weaved a tangled web of contradictory nonsense and they are easily caught in it.
As people are talking about interrogations, another technique, is to always be the one asking the questions. Never answer their questions. The master asks, the servant answers.
And when they go from talkative to stonewalling, it is because they know they are caught. The question they refuse to answer, is the one to keep asking.
#11 by Byron on 11/01/2011 - 12:13 am
Yes, you explained that very well, thank you. I guess my question had more to do specifically with the Reid Technique, something a former interrogator would know about, than how to swarm with the mantra, etc…
#12 by OldBlighty on 11/01/2011 - 12:58 am
As far as I know we teach no official techniques, by other experts.
Its just ole Bob noticing what no one else can. He turns his observations into logical tautologies, that no one can argue against and we use them in the field every day. We keep what works and toss what doesn’t. It is very simple.
#13 by OldBlighty on 11/01/2011 - 1:24 am
Horus has made some political training podcasts 1-25 and Lord Nelson has made some as well. So they may have heard of this interrogation expert you mention. At any rate they have not been discussed here, that I have seen.
#14 by H.Avenger on 11/01/2011 - 9:57 am
Byron,
Reid technique is widely used in law enforcement in the USA. However, the technique has been banned by certain parts of Europe. They say it elicits a lot of bad information and confessions. There have been cases in Canada where the judge threw out confessions based on the Reid technique. Which was also controversial.
When you get into different interrogation techniques there are tons of debate and controversy. Everyone agrees with developing rapport as the first step. But then there can be some difference.. This of course has become a hot topic with the famous 3rd degree techniques……like water boarding…lolz
American law enforcement agencies etc do not have to tell the truth during an interrogation. Meaning they can deceive and or lie. That is not the case in other areas of West. Basically, there are those that say:”the reid technique is only used by American Law enforcement because they can deceive”..lol.
But Reid always sells a ton of copies of his latest book. And alot of agencies send people to his courses. He is going rage when it comes to psychological profiling and interrogation. And personally I think the psychological profiling is the most interesting part of the books or course.
I am blathering on. You wanted to know if Bob had opinions on Reid and his technique or used the Reid technique. From my experience, Bob does not talk directly about any of his experiences with such things. He always says:”I was a Merc …you know”. Meaning he was in intelligence and does not or cannot talk about it. Which is a common phrase for old timers. But old guys that say stuff like this generally do not have experience with the “Reid Technique”. The Reid Technique is pretty modern. And Bob ain’t modern.
IMO, many of the previous techniques are similar to Reid. It really just depends on whether the law enforcement in that particular country can practice deception under the law and how much. Very common for American Law Enforcement to deceive the subject and tell them that they have all the goods on him or her. In other countries, you cannot deceive in regards to evidence….etc
You can use a variety of psych warfare techniques on a large population. But I do not know of the Reid technique of interrogation being employed on anything other than suspects in crimes. I don’t know of anywhere it has been used for social engineering or anything of the sort.
#15 by BGLass on 11/01/2011 - 10:16 am
only read the wiki, but heart of Reid seems to be soliciting confessions— but bugs is not about making people confess.
the mantra does presume guilt, like Reid; maybe more the corollary would be discussing behavior with anti-whites and offering various motives for why they became anti-white (like selling out for jobs, confusion, youth naivete), etc, in order to make them more comfortable with admitting their own reasons. By assuming the anti-white world, then presenting the various motivations why people behaved that way, they become comfortable and share their personal reasons in a non-accusatory environment.
“Well, it’s been a tough time, and a lot of people made your choices; that’s for sure. Some b/c X, some b/c Y. You seem to have just been worried about supporting your family, and maybe couldn’t think through all these consequences we experience now…a real double-bind…”
#16 by Byron on 11/01/2011 - 10:55 am
“And personally I think the psychological profiling is the most interesting part of the books or course.”
Absolutely. Knowing what makes people “tick” and motivating them to act a certain way, or benefiting from your accurate prediction of how they will act, is more interesting than whether cops are mean liars or whatever.
For years I’ve kind of seen interview/interrogation as a microcosm of the mass brainwashing we see on a larger scale, but had never asked anyone’s opinion about it before….
#17 by H.Avenger on 11/01/2011 - 11:15 am
BGLass,
YES, I agree that one. And this goes back to my original differentiation between “interrogating” to get to the truth and trying to get to a “confessions”.
Since you have read the Wiki. You already know that line has been greatly blurred in modern time. Now interrogations are all about getting confessions. And everyone knows that has nothing to do with the truth.
Law enforcement has become like the tv show Law and Order. Or maybe it is the other way around? lol. Nothing but “gotchas” and parties trying to make a name for themselves. This has very little to do with finding the truth of matter or extracting quality information. Basically I determined long ago that there is more money involved in extracting confessions than in finding out the real truth. Go figure. Sign of the times.
The days of Andy Griffiths keeping the peace are long gone…….
#18 by Byron on 11/01/2011 - 11:34 am
In a perfect world only the guilty would be interrogated, in which case getting “the truth” IS getting a confession.
In the real world many people are interviewed, if we are sticking to the cops and robbers stuff, and if the interviewer is correct, it only crosses over to an interrogation if the subject fails the interview. If the interviewer is incorrect, the wrong person is interrogated and false confessions can result. That’s as unfortunate as it is fascinating.
I’m more interested in the psychological aspects of how one can be motivated to act against their own perceived self interests. I’m not suggesting you or anybody else do it or that it should replace or be combined with the mantra or anything of that nature, it was just an area of interest.
#19 by OldBlighty on 11/01/2011 - 11:50 am
“I’m more interested in the psychological aspects of how one can be motivated to act against their own perceived self interests.”
Simmons posted an article a couple of days back, that opened my eyes. I think it might be very close to the truth.
The Secret to the Suicidal Liberal Mind
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/20/231252.shtml
#20 by Byron on 11/01/2011 - 11:52 am
@ James C
Now that’s interesting. That’s what I’d call the perfect use of the Reid Technique. In the “interview” stage, you give them all the rope they want. You don’t point out absurdity or contradictions, you encourage them to keep talking and give you all of the ammo you need, “lock them in,” so to speak. Then you go on the attack, using everything they said to show how they are either stupid, lying, hypocritical or all three.
In the cops and robbers example, an interviewer will let you lock yourself into all kinds of crap and let you hang yourself. Then the interrogation begins and you drop the hammer, pointing out all the contradictions.
Then they confess that they are anti-white morons. It’s like a cross examination…you aren’t likely to change a lying witness, but you can let the jury see exactly what they are….
Interesting.
#21 by Simmons on 11/01/2011 - 1:01 pm
Minor quibble, what if one were on the Bill Maher show, you versus him and his crew which would include a black man of some physical stature for physical intimidation purposes. Would that be an interogation or a confessional or a combo?
Would you want the Mantra or the latest and greatest jew banker jibber jabber as your rhetorical weapon?
Bob might be hating on us turds but the last few threads has shown some real talent IMO. Even Glass has been focused.
#22 by Byron on 11/01/2011 - 1:34 pm
@Simmons
Those shows always seem like a cross between a feeding frenzy and a gang rape. Most victims barely get to finish a sentence before the tag-teaming starts.
It’s easier to catch an individual in a contradiction than a group, because if you debate a group, maybe one of them says, “race doesn’t exist,” and a different one says, “your race sucks,” If you say, “I thought you said race doesn’t exist?” they can say someone else has that opinion, not them.
It seems the key is to corner an individual and let them say contradictory stuff so you can point that out.
Interesting thread.
#23 by H.Avenger on 11/01/2011 - 8:42 pm
Byron,
Our enemy has the tenancy to come out and say that are pro white genocide. They basically admit from time to time what they are really all about. In public, I always ask them to repeat it. “I did not hear you can you say repeat that please?” ….then I keep asking the same question to see how loud and how many times they will say they are anti white or that our genocide is a good thing. Whites always look at them like they are completely nuts. Some of the time the antiwhites are just too brainwashed to understand and other times too evil to care.
Consistent messages like the Mantra are used two ways. Walking around and using it day to day is the obvious usage. As I explained in the Stormfront Conference, most people do not understand the physics behind sound and how something like the mantra works. Sound is simply a pressure wave. You cannot unhear something.
We do not take sound serious because humans cannot see pressure waves. We can feel pressure waves. Someone like who has sold music would understand that you can feel your favorite music.
A pressure wave can be beautiful like Mozart. But they can also be ungodly destructive. Like a specialized whistle that hits the right frequency to shatter glass. The Soviet Union was brought down by a destructive pressure wave.
The current white genocide system we are living in is very rigid just like the Soviet system. That is why the mantra is so effective. Our enemy is always arguing a position that will always put us in a world without any white people. That is self reinforcing and self defeating. As soon as a consistent message comes out that POINTS OUT THE CONTRIDICTION …..you can put a damn clock on the system.
Basically, the other way a consistent message like the Mantra is used would be psychological warfare against the enemy. The antiwhite foot soldiers want to fight and argue. They cannot understand why someone at the ADL doesn’t engage “Bob and his silly Mantra” (their quote). The reason is very simple.
The ADL and SPLC understand the current system. They know the score. They and had a front row seat and saw how terrifyingly similar mantra message rip through the Soviet Union and bring down the Berlin Wall.
When you understand pressure waves. You get a chuckle out of the Soviet officials who so speedily engaged the one liner:”If the Soviet Union is so wonderful….why do you have guards with machine guns at the border to keep people from leaving?” And then you get a hint of why they don’t want to fool with:”Asia for Asians, Africa for the Africans ….and White countries for Everyone!”
At the bottom, the little antwhites are pissed because it seems so trivial. At the top, they understand exactly what we are up to and have a keen sense of history. Again, they are always arguing a position that always us in a world without any white people. And putting policies in place to actively bring this about…..is genocide. And they know it.
#24 by Peter Whiterabbit on 11/01/2011 - 10:36 pm
I think we need a Calvert, Truck Roy, Horus podcast in the near future. What say ye?
#25 by Byron on 11/01/2011 - 11:14 pm
This is revolutionary. This is the perfect time to find out about Whitaker for me. These last few years I have been realizing things, slowly. Like the fact that I have been trying to use facts, figures and logic to argue people out of positions that they did not arrive at after any careful weighing of facts figures and logic. Ben Franklin said we couldn’t do that, I guess.
All the cool stories, examples and historical anecdotes that I used to debate with were useless. I started to see that they were for entertainment purposes only, and we can’t entertain our enemies with them. My friends, family and customers say I should write a book and love to listen and learn, but I tried taking that stuff to a debate and it never worked. Amren and Stormfront are also for entertainment purposes only, I’ve gotten more out of this thread than anything I’ve read on those two sites in years.
I’m going back over some particular debates/interviews I’ve done, but redoing them in my mind with how I’d do them now. Completely different. I feel like I am back in school learning everything all over again.
#26 by Harumphty Dumpty on 11/02/2011 - 1:30 am
For a very pleasant and IMO excellent introduction to “what makes people tick,” and to how those things were used successfully by the advertising industry in the 1950s, I recommend the short book by Vance Packard that was very popular then, “The Hidden Persuaders.”
I’m rereading it now and enjoying it immensely…Byron, if you and I had read this book before we ever heard of Bob Whitaker’s methods, it SHOULD have caused us to question the debate methods we were using. In my case, it probably wouldn’t have…it probably wouldn’t have occurred to me that I’d just read a hundred pages of solid evidence that what I’d been doing for several years was pretty useless.
#27 by Byron on 11/02/2011 - 2:05 am
@Harumphty
I just bought a hardback copy at Amazon for $2.30, thanks for the tip….
#28 by meawhiterabbit on 11/02/2011 - 12:48 pm
Chaps Ramzpaul has been posting “In your opinion i am racist, you are only saying…..” to comments on his channel. His stuff is GREAT! I have sent him an email inviting him to Bugs. Lets hope he joins in. He is getting decent views on his channel and it can only build because he is funny!