I was getting ready to write this article, and Lo! BUGS Commenters coming back from a sally in Stormfront were discussing their raid, and one was chastised for apologizing to an insulting anti-Mantra type. He admitted his error.
But what hit me, as I got ready to write this, was that his BUGS critic accused him of “the battered wife syndrome,” and he agreed with the term.
This EXPERIENCE, not incidentally, falls right in with what I want to say here.
Don’t be a battered wife or Stockholm Syndrome type. It makes not the slightest difference whether your opponent is a Marxist or a royalist. In the real world, they are anti-white. No one is more vociferously anti-white than the militia types who go on the border to stop immigration. They make militant declarations of “anti-racism” that make leftists look wimpish.
What in the HELL is the point of a BORDER between any country and a Multiculture? Protecting a multiculture from outsiders is insane.
Back to my basic point about the discussion after the raid on Stormfront. Having dealt my whole life with bitchers and people who constantly threaten to take their toys and go home, this immediate acceptance of somewhat insulting label by HD, “battered wife,” gave me enormous joy.
I constantly refer to a mistake Lord Nelson made, and he tiresomely apologizes for it. If you will READ what I say about it, I am full of praise for him. He had been arguing and had moved off of attacking ASSIMILATION, because he found that attacking immigration, whites being overwhelmed, and went on that way.
When you find your going easier, you have to ask yourself WHY it is going easier. Attacking immigration, especially illegal immigration, does anti-whites little harm. It’s nothing new and there are already plenty of rapidly multiplying nonwhites inside white borders to get rid of us by intermarriage.
The point was not that Lord Nelson had made the mistake. The only critical thing to me, as with HD, was how he took my criticism. Like HD after the Stormfront raid, he just took it and ran with it.
A lifetime of experience has shown me that almost every good movement goes down when it gets the ego bitchers and sore asses into places of authority. Errors are common. TAKING AND USING CRITICISM is very, very, very RARE.
#1 by Gavin on 02/02/2012 - 9:01 am
My objective is ensuring the survival of my race and doing what is good for my people. Anything that makes me more effective at doing so is welcome. Constructive criticism is welcome, I appreciate it. In fact holding your tongue when you see me making a mistake is doing me a disservice.
I have a very high opinion of BUGSTERS so I always assume that of them as well.
#2 by ANOTHERWHITERABBIT on 02/02/2012 - 1:35 pm
Yes of course Gavin I think most of us Bugsters appreciate being told when we are wrong. So that we can focus on the mistake and improve. Them militia border patrol guys are rediculous, especially the white nationlist one’s that say its only about illegal immigratioin. So they can be PC they do no good getting a message out there we want a white home. That is what they should be saying while patroling the borders. We all know that most immigration including illegal is non white. They would do far more for the movement if they stated why they were really there. To help stop the horde of non white immigration
#3 by Gavin on 02/02/2012 - 2:05 pm
On a few places I post there used to be a lot of question such as “Why are you against immigration?”
I replied. “I’m not against immigration, I’m against non-White immigration”
They don’t ask that anymore.
#4 by Bob on 02/02/2012 - 4:08 pm
Gavin, good job.
#5 by Harumphty Dumpty on 02/02/2012 - 5:13 pm
“HD, ‘battered wife,’…he agreed with the term”
Lol!…uh, is the edit function still on for that post? 🙂
Thanks, Bob. I’m by nature thin-skinned, and if a person like myself can learn to take the criticism here (which I think I have, even if sometimes I need to sputter a bit), I would think anyone could.
I could say quite a bit about how being in this group is being an extremely interesting experience for me, but one thing I’ve vowed to do is spend less time writing on these threads so I’ll have more time to swarm. I get easily obsessed with any item I dip into.
#6 by Coniglio Bianco on 02/02/2012 - 9:36 pm
Here’s some criticism for you stop running off all the new help. Mjodr is one of the most dedicated and sincere WN’s in the entire country. He was just coming around to getting on message and you people decided he wasn’t good enough for you because he made one little mistake. The only mistake he made was thinking that he’d get a warm reception here. Maybe you should start asking yourselves whose side you are on anyway. Nice title for this post by the way.
#7 by Gavin on 02/02/2012 - 10:19 pm
” you people decided he wasn’t good enough for you because he made one little mistake.”
We didn’t say anything of the sort. Perhaps we were not very diplomatic but it’s hard to keep track of who is new and who is a seasoned BUGSTER. I was not aware that Mjodr was new and not acquainted with our rather rough style.
Perhaps we need to be better at easing new members in so they can grow the thick hide necessary to play hardball around here. It would be helpful for new members to announce themselves as such so we can be a bit more diplomatic with them until they are up to speed.
Either way if anyone is in contact with Mjodr feel free to let him know that I was responding to him as if he were a veteran and not a newbie.
#8 by OldBlighty on 02/03/2012 - 1:35 am
The way Mjodr is trained like most WN, is to defend Whites by attacking Jews. It doesn’t matter if the people doing the attacking are Whites, they will only attack Jews.
The BUGS way, is to attack ANYONE that attacks Whites, by calling them ‘anti-White’.
We do this because attacking only one small part of your enemy in a WAR, because of some noble ideal, is just plain silly, because YOU WILL LOSE.
“Mjodr is one of the most dedicated and sincere WN’s in the entire country.”
I agree. I hope Mjodr comes back, but not as an “accomplished activist”, who already knows everything, but as a humble student, who wants to learn.
#9 by Harumphty Dumpty on 02/03/2012 - 2:18 am
He showed up plenty humble, “I am going to stick around and do my part.” He in no way had an attitude of someone who “knows everything.” He said nothing about any successes he’d had elsewhere until he very understandably got defensive after he’d been insulted. And if you read what was said, it was a fairly strong insult. Unless I’m misreading it. If I am, please tell me what the hell WAS meant.
All this cultic hard-assedness is unrealistic on two accounts. It ignores what actually happened, and it ignores what is GOING to happen if we treat every newcomer this way the very moment they set foot here!
#10 by Gavin on 02/03/2012 - 2:51 am
Seperate the person from the comment. We are responding to comments typed in here from a technical aspect to examine what is right and wrong with them. I don’t know anyone’s emotional state or personality. To be honest trying to asses how someone will personally take a piece of advice might not be a good use of time.
#11 by OldBlighty on 02/03/2012 - 3:22 am
HD,
I read the whole exchange, before and after the argument started. Here’s some relevant quotes
“I like you, Bob. We have met before… but that was rude. I am not a newbie to activism in the least.”
“Harumphty, I understand completely, but as a 33 yo that has been doing activism for a while… successfully… I do tend to get sick of people that think they know more”
“But, I’ve always done things my way. ”
“But, what do I know. I’ve only helped a great many of my folk, and through my sacrifice in that group… I converted at least 2 people to WN.”
He is singing Frank Sinatra’s, My way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K86QYtDuUpQ
HD,
The last guy you brought in here, there was a big drama as well, because he was also a celebrity that is set in his ways.
Question:
Are you guilting people into coming here? As Horus has said from his experience, you have to attract people, not nag them, so the right ones come in, that WANT to learn.
We have Swarmfront at Stormfront now. It has as much visibility as the Tea Party activism over there. So there is no need to beg anyone into coming here. They can do their homework and make their own way here.
If you want to attract the right people for BUGS, post links at Swarmfront as we do here. They will come in on their own.
#12 by Harumphty Dumpty on 02/03/2012 - 4:04 am
OB, LOL, I doubt anyone could “guilt” Calvert into doing anything!
I disagree with your interpretation of the things Mjodr said here.
In any case, here’s what passed between him and me. I couldn’t get my post up on northland news center about the duluth billboards yesterday, and the one person here who tried was unable to get it up also, so I went over to the Duluth thread at stormfront and asked for someone there to please put it up. It occurred to me btw that that might be a good thing for me to do regularly…instead of avoiding sites that require facebook because I can’t post on them, to rejoice when I come across one because I can take my post over to stormfront and ask that someone there please post it for me…that exposes the readers of the SF thread to a bugster post and possibly gets one reader to go through the motions of putting up a bugster post…hey, maybe that one reader will discover that that is a good feeling! Ha!
A few split seconds after I put that request up on the sf thread, Mjodr had put my post up. I got the feeling he felt happy doing it, although all he said was, “Done, HD.” There wasn’t any guilting that I was aware of, just happy feelings all around, it felt like to me. He showed up here the next day, today, pretty happy, it sounded like to me, until he got ambushed.
So it was all about attraction, not about guilting or begging IMO.
I came to the opposite conclusion of yours about swarmfront btw. I’m not going to post on swarmfront, but am going to post occasionally on other stormfront threads that interest me, mentioning white genocide when I can but just commenting on the topic in a fairly SF way and counting on my signature to draw anyone who’s interested.
I think swarmfront is a mistake (but I may be wrong). We form adversarial habits toward SF’ers there in the battles we have there, and that habit will carry over when SF’ers show up here behaving as SF’ers behave when they first arrive.
#13 by OldBlighty on 02/03/2012 - 4:40 am
“A few split seconds after I put that request up on the sf thread, Mjodr had put my post up. I got the feeling he felt happy doing it, although all he said was, “Done, HD.”.”
I think he was helping, not because he wants to be a BUGSer, but because he likes to help anything that is Pro White. He has his own way of doing things as he said.
“I think swarmfront is a mistake”
If it wasn’t for Bob Whitaker’s Pro White BBQ, over at WNN Now, I wouldn’t be here, nor would I be active in WN at all. I kept looking down at that guy Bob having a BBQ down on WNN, while everyone else was dooming and glooming, and I was attracted. lol
The only mistake in my opinion is the name. It sounds like everything else in WN – all thunder bolts and lightening.
BUGS is for people who understand that what we have been doing in Pro White politics, since the end of WW2 is ineffective, it does not work and it never will. And most people drift out of WN within 2 years, for that reason.
BUGS is a way to graduate from all that and Swarmfront is a way to attract those people, before they drift off for good.
“We form adversarial habits toward SF’ers there in the battles we have there”
TBH, I don’t think there will be many more dramas at Swarmfront, because the hostiles know, they will get a knock down, drag out fight. lol
“and that habit will carry over when SF’ers show up here behaving as SF’ers behave when they first arrive.”
I see your point.
#14 by Harumphty Dumpty on 02/03/2012 - 5:13 am
Your experience at WNN, and the fact about WNs drifting away, changes my mind about swarmfront. A branch office is a more solid attractor than just random posts with signatures, I can see that. Your other points worthwhile too. But I think people can start out all kinds of different ways and end up being bugsters. They can start out being frustrated at what they’ve been doing, or in some cases may feel they themselves have accomplished a lot but want to accomplish more.
#15 by Harumphty Dumpty on 02/03/2012 - 5:17 am
I see my last statement actually had nothing to do with your statement,
“BUGS is for people who understand that what we have been doing in Pro White politics, since the end of WW2 is ineffective, it does not work and it never will.”
which I guess I would agree with.
#16 by Alicewashere on 02/02/2012 - 9:40 pm
I must admit that it is hard for myself and I imagine many others to hear criticism at times.
But It is important to question everything you do and what others do and criticism does aid in this effort.
Also Good point on Immigration, Gavin.
#17 by The Seeker of Truth on 02/02/2012 - 11:19 pm
Fire only purifies the gold, it burns the dross.
Somebody else said that……
May my arguments be pure and my will strong.
May my ego take a backseat when I fight that which is wrong.
May my people live.
May I have more to give.
May those that stand.
Be willing to give a helping hand.
May our truth.
Destroy the evil at the root.
May BUGS be victorious.
May my people remain glorious.
#18 by Alicewashere on 02/02/2012 - 11:47 pm
Beautifully put The Seeker of Truth.
#19 by Simmons on 02/03/2012 - 12:27 am
Hah my ego is bigger than any of yours, freakin huge. But Mantra is discipline and discipline must be honed. Let the new guy take his ball home and there he can have his momma put some ice on his owwie, he’ll be ok in time.
I’d link but its not worth it, but at takimag some sniveling beta white male “intellectual” has done nothing but mock my intelligence, my last retort and it is final, once sentence, “how smart is it to genocide an entire race?
Stay on message
#20 by Genseric on 02/03/2012 - 1:12 am
I can’t quantify how much I have learned by swallowing my pride and listening to Bob and BUGSters.
You can’t even compare the small amount of time I have spent here to the YEARS wasted elsewhere.
Discipline.
#21 by Harumphty Dumpty on 02/03/2012 - 2:21 am
To save ourselves the distraction involved in insulting newcomers, let’s just have one permanent insult posted at the top of our pages right below the invitation, “Join the BUGS Team! Post on the internet along with us to fight White Genocide!” Let the insult be a link to a page of other insults suitable to newcomers who’ve just shown up and don’t know our rules about what we post and don’t post. This way we’ll weed out all the weenies who can’t take the heat before they waste our time.
#22 by Gavin on 02/03/2012 - 2:54 am
I have had just about enough of this bullshit drama. Learn, don’t learn. Think I’m an asshole, think I’m a greate fella! It doesn’t matter to me.
If you want to learn how to do this properly participate in BUGS. If not, good luck to you.
#23 by Gavin on 02/03/2012 - 3:01 am
By the way, I was talking to some granola hippie at a bar tonight and by the end of the conversation he was making pro-White points so this stuff WORKS. If you can’t get over the roughness and see the immense amount of value in BUGS then I am not going to plead with you to accept the huge value that is provided.
#24 by Harumphty Dumpty on 02/03/2012 - 3:37 am
Gavin, that’s great about the hippie, but as for the other stuff, what are you talking about? All this is about is that a possibly promising prospect showed up here (and possibly in part at my instigation, which gives me some extra personal feeling in the matter), and got kicked in the teeth (not by you, but by Bob) as soon as he opened his mouth.
Okay, so far, my problem is fairly small…such things happen.
What I have a bigger problem with is all the huffing and puffing that’s being done about doing the same to anyone else who shows up. And the childish defensiveness about what actually happened. I hate bs, and except for Coniglio, it’s been piled up to the ceiling all day!
An incident of rudeness occurred, or if Bob thought Mjodr was a regular, just simple inattention to the surrounding posts. Why is this an occasion for chest thumping instead of regret at a mistake that may have cost us a bugster, and some thought to how to avoid it happening again?
I can’t keep fussing about this, I have something I have to do the next few days…if I’m not here, that’s why…not because I’m bummed out, because I’m actually not very much. The swarming is what matters, but that makes it also matter to get more bugsters.
#25 by OldBlighty on 02/03/2012 - 3:39 am
Bob says:
“It makes not the slightest difference whether your opponent is a Marxist or a royalist. In the real world, they are anti-white. No one is more vociferously anti-white than the militia types who go on the border to stop immigration. They make militant declarations of “anti-racism” that make leftists look wimpish.”
Yes it is true. I have seen them at Stormfront and WNN demanding Muslims integrate. DUH… Integration means your daughter or son, comes home with a nice Muslim.
And then there is JT Ready now posing with a Black woman, dressed as the Statue of Liberty.
http://vandal49588.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/elections-2012-jt-ready-becomes.html
These anti-racist, Pro Whites are playing by the rules, in a game that was always rigged against them. The anti-White higher ups, must be laughing their heads off.
#26 by OldBlighty on 02/03/2012 - 3:42 am
“I have seen them at Stormfront and WNN”
I mean ‘some’, not ‘them’.
#27 by Harumphty Dumpty on 02/03/2012 - 4:56 am
OB, btw, I didn’t invite Mjodr here, or PM him after he posted my comment, or say anything to him about bugstering. I knew nothing about him except that I had enjoyed some of his “travelogue” posts. Here was the extent of our conversation:
“Would someone here please post at this link what I have in the quote below?”
“Done, HD.”
“Thanks a lot, Mjodr!”
#28 by Simmons on 02/03/2012 - 11:31 am
Enough already HD just stop posting about our roughness and go talk to the new guy. I read what Bob posted and for the life of me I cannot see much “roughness” but then again I’m 48 years old and from a different era.
Listen if you do not have discipline you end up like that kid JT Ready, one day for kicks you start a Fuherer cult for yourself, take a load a grief and from there you spiral out of control till your nothing but self mockery.
Shields up, stay on message.
#29 by Dick_Whitman on 02/03/2012 - 5:38 pm
“A lifetime of experience has shown me that almost every good movement goes down when it gets the ego bitchers and sore asses into places of authority. Errors are common. TAKING AND USING CRITICISM is very, very, very RARE.” (Bob)
Yes. The movement, or goal, or purpose has to come before the needs of the ego. One shouldn’t even involve him/herself in “this thing of ours” if it’s only about fulfilling the ego’s needs.
Egocentrics must be purged. These people are difficult to deal with and are generally unreasonable if they don’t get their way. They can’t compromise or admit wrong doing.
The “ego bitchers” are also most likely to betray you because they can be bought for a new ego building opportunity.
#30 by Coniglio Bianco on 02/03/2012 - 11:38 pm
It wasn’t rudeness it was abuse. Which is exactly what one would expect in a situation where coercive persuasion is being used. You should be directing those techniques against the enemy instead of pro-Whites who genuinely want to help the cause.
My comments aren’t directed at anyone in particular but if people don’t stop acting like this is some kind of cult it will self-destruct.
#31 by Simmons on 02/04/2012 - 1:31 pm
Go find him make him useful before he joins a dress up cult such as that TJ Ready’s.
Robert Griffin wrote a biography about William Pierce then a pro-White book and then was suprised when the anti-Whites dropped the hammer on him.
BUGs is a boot camp, but if you want and it might be a good idea go to SF and find him before he is playing Ernst Rohm with other dress ups.