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Be Careful Citing “History”

Posted by Bob on April 17th, 2012 under Coaching Session


One commenter, who clearly loves to disagree because he thinks it’s “tough,” said that the Nuremberg Trials WORKED. This is the usual citing of what passes as history, there is, there was a Nazi Government, they had these tribunals, and there were no more Nazi governments, so the tribunals “Worked.”

It is common knowledge that there was a Depression, Roosevelt was elected, so FDR “ended the depression.” When I was in college, no one else challenged this.

Today about everyone who is not actually smoking something illegal knows that World War II ended the Depression.

Another version of history tells us, just as surely, that Martyrs win the victory. In fact, the exact same generation that said that making martyrs gave the victims Victory would without pause, cite the Nuremberg Trials to show that making martyrs was the only way to win.

In an “educated” society, these contradictions are maintained because no one ever THINKS about them. What you conclude by two opposite examples ends up being whatever you WANT to conclude.

In my interrogation experience, a person who is holding two such opposite views picks out the one he WANTS. Christianity proves that making martyrs is establishment suicide, the Nuremberg Trials prove that terrifying others with the specter of Punishment After the Torch Light Parade is the Way to Go.

Do you want to sound idealistic and appealing or do you want to sound tough and rough?

As I have pointed out before, the Weimar Republic has the same laws about attacking minorities that the German regime today has. That is why, instead of calling someone a Jew, Nazi publications would give his full name if it sounded Jewish.

Henry Ford stopped giving away The International Jew with each new Ford, in fact, stopped all his anti-Semitism, because of a lawsuit by Jews for libel. He had had plenty of personal threats, but a threat to his fortune stopped him cold.

People are absolutely blind when it comes to reading subtext. A Wiki description of the 1932 German election points out that the Nazis became so strong that “their paramilitary branch, the SA, was made legal.” Wiki then goes right on to say what any person would, “This caused violence.”

This caused violence because the SA started fighting in the streets with the Communist paramilitary group.

The subtext here is that the Communist paramilitary was ALWAYS legal, just as anti-goy propaganda was legal while anti-Semitic propaganda was suppressed.

All my conscious life, it has been the hundreds of billions in reparations that has kept the Ho0locause alive like no other slaughter in history.

Elie Wiesel, who made a LOT of money on his Holocaust, and the million-dollar Nobel Prize back when a million made you rich, was the least of IT. The holocaust is STILL the means of livelihood for tens of thousands or millions, depending on how you measure it.

So it sounds a little funny for someone to hammer his chest and declare that the Tough Guys who did the Nuremberg trials were the whole thing.

In fact, it is a embarrassing to me for a BUGSER to do that.

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  1. #1 by Simmons on 04/17/2012 - 8:58 am

    They throw a ball we chase it, pet dogs.

    Mantra removes that bit of blight if you ask me, some resist removing the anti-whites choker leash and they growl at everything that comes past their cages, but the leash goes on anyway and the ball is chased.

    Folks the cage door is not latched, the Mantra wilds are but a push of the cage door away.

  2. #2 by Simmons on 04/17/2012 - 9:08 am

    This essay is Mantraesque it was followed by 100 comments and most were basically the usual growling at jews by people who could and would drink a pot of coffee and spend all night debating the details of the camps. Not once placing the holocaust in the context of it being used as justification for white genocide.

    But there is hope, maybe 5 posts were BUGs, trust me on this Bob don’t try and wade thru it all just to find them.

    We have to walk the fine line between those who are jew obsessive and useful and those who are stuck in the details and will chase the ball when thrown by an anti-white.

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/04/our-fault/

    P.S. I left a comment (in mod) asking the JQers why they won’t connect the holocaust to being a justification for White genocide.

  3. #3 by Dave on 04/17/2012 - 9:10 am

    You won’t find any site anywhere on the Web that has a better toolkit for skills in interrogation than the toolkit at Whitakeronline.

    Interrogation is the process of peeling away the layers of the onion to get at the truth. We have rethinking what everybody knows; knowledge of Wordism; insight into temporal provincialism; understanding the importance of paying attention to the most obvious and basic; the importance of carefully thinking through the implications of things; also we have the rule of no tailgating and always questioning why people say what they say and always questioning, never answering; furthermore we know that “history” is a storybook version of the past and that very few people have accurate knowledge of the past.

    BUGS is the most splendid place there is for being trained in the skills of an interrogator. The toolkit here is by far the best.

    At some point in using the Mantra and Mantra thinking to relentlessly interrogate our opponents, one of them is not only going to admit to their error, they are also going to express remorse. That will be a very significant victory. As soon as one of them expresses remorse, we obtain the right to demand remorse from others. I see this as a general process on the road to victory.

    A mind that is committed to his or her own people, a mind that understands that there is no such thing as neutrality in the world, and a mind that is skilled and disciplined in interrogation, is a mind that is bulletproof from being interrogated by the enemy.

    That is also a mind that is not tricked by the endless nonsense put forth about “history”. The real past lies alongside those laying about in grave yards wasting perfectly good dirt. And where the dirt is good, you will find the white man riding astride the world like a mount on his stallion. That is the real past in the present. The technologically advanced here and now that everybody wants to pretend wasn’t the white man’s doing.

  4. #4 by beefcake on 04/17/2012 - 9:33 am

    Just curious if its the TRAIL, or the results and punishments that were ineffective at Nuremburg?

    What I mean is, would it still be effective to bring the Anti-Whites into court on charges of attempted White Genocide, but it is a CIVIL hearing, where they are defending their pocket book? Basically if they are found guilty of advocating White Genocide, publicly its humiliating, and then they are ordered to pay permanent reparations, some % of their wealth, and their descendants wealth.

    My Question is, should there be ANY public trail? Even for it simply being a case of “how much do they pay out if found guilty”.

    Or would this be done without a trail, and just have a special investigations unit that seeks out former White Genocide advocates to give them a fine they have to start paying?

  5. #5 by BGLass on 04/17/2012 - 9:37 am

    Interrogation is the process of peeling away the layers of the onion to get at the truth…:

    Daddy put it, “Never assume” and “motivation is everything.”

    When there’s trillions put into something, it might be useable. “White rabbits deserve a homeland,” is strong; “homeland” rings and rabbits are cute and ‘deservingness’ is something the established religion has put a ton of money into, so only a monster would deny this.

    It takes a village is another. then there was “i-village,” and the transmutation of “village” to mean “global,” in the usual double-speak.

    If it takes a village, why can’t some keep their village? if it takes a village, what is a “fair housing” act for?

    what must this “fair” manipulated “village” be based in?— having the same amount of money to afford that particular village over other cheaper or more expensive possible villages? what becomes of places in which this becomes the only allowable, sanctioned relationship—“affording it”? when all those you meet do so because they can “afford it.”

    wouldn’t this be a mentality from the very bottom rung of the Malthus pyramid, where “affording” is everything. Obviously then, this wouldn’t be created by more elevated people, trying to relate and connect in some more elevated way.

    The only conclusion of that is: “Hi! Wow, we have so much in common! We can both afford the same things! I have an air popper, also–omg!” Or some variant.

    The strangest thing about Marxism is what marx said: that he had “‘Turned Hegel on his head,” Hegel who saw the ‘dialectic’ of action-reaction-synthesis leading toward Spiritual ideals— Marx saw it leading to the lowest common denominator— why he called it “dialectical materialism.”

    there’s no white rabbit village, and yet it takes a village to survive.

    if it takes a village, denying a village is genocide.

    In any issue, “Defining terms” seems the first order of business. What are we really saying? What do you mean by that? Only four questions or clarifications into a conversation, most have a meltdown—- often, normal thinking just isn’t something they’ve ever been exposed to.

    if somebody tells you which village you must go to—is it really a village? —they are quite amazing at destroying the organic, at gutting the real essence of a thing, the spirit in it that carried the true life-giving quality.

    from the organic village —the living thing— to the empty facade “neighborhoods” of transients who can “afford” that place; hate to get religious, but Ephesians 6:12. —the absence of spirit guts the terminology, so it becomes a sea of words meaning nothing, or their opposites, or…whatever.

    the malevolence of the spirit is most evident in that sort of gutting of organic meaning.

  6. #6 by Bob on 04/17/2012 - 9:43 am

    herrMajor, so an informer system is just a myth to you real MEN, eh?
    There is no open Terror right now, all that macho slamming people against the wall is not happening, but anything else is a myth, right?
    So why aren’t you using your real name here?

  7. #7 by BGLass on 04/17/2012 - 10:12 am

    If “elites” are really elites, then they should know better than this crap. “What are we really saying here” cannot be said enough.

  8. #8 by beefcake on 04/17/2012 - 11:59 am

    Oh, another one we could do so people never forget.

    Besides the paid informer system, how about having “White Genocide” Museums?

    Where all things in history of White Genocide, from Professors saying Race “is a social construct”, miscegenation propaganda like interracial pornography, and stories promoting it in Hollywood, to videos of Antifa Protestors, and would have features that show how the Anti-Whites had used slogans and name calling to silence Pro-Whites in their struggle to end White GeNOcide.

    If the goal is to remind people of this attempt, so they do not try it again, I think museums may also be useful to us.

    Does anyone today use museums to talk about past wrongdoings? ;-)

    • #9 by dungeoneer on 04/17/2012 - 1:16 pm

      “Besides the paid informer system, how about having “White Genocide” Museums?”

      The deal is we get the whole nine yards once white genocide is recognized as legitimate discussion.

      Until that day comes, we push strictly the mantra.

    • #10 by Gavin on 04/17/2012 - 1:21 pm

      “Museums” are a tool. A tool to achieve a specific objective. Never lose sight of the objective by concentrating on the tool.

      There may be better ways of achieving the same objective today.

      • #11 by beefcake on 04/17/2012 - 2:16 pm

        Oh, absolutely I meant AFTER the Anti-system comes down, to remind people of what had been done, so they don’t forget it, and nobody ever tries is again.

        For sure sticking to the Mantra is the way to go in taking down this Anti-White system.

  9. #12 by ANOTHERWHITERABBIT on 04/17/2012 - 12:07 pm

    you are absolutley right bob plus the whole martyr thing the outcome gave a little more energy to the pro white groups in europe because the whole rudolph hess affair they actually turned him into a martyr for the nazi party. They used to march for him until they made it illegal

  10. #13 by shari on 04/17/2012 - 12:17 pm

    “If elites are really elites theyshould know….” Makes it obvious that the elites are NOT really elites, but usurpers,phonies, wolves in sheep clothing. The Mantra and Mantra thinking will keep on showing people what a REAL elite looks like .
    I don’t think we will want to keep that in a museum imo. Museums are usually for dead things, I think.

  11. #14 by Gavin on 04/17/2012 - 1:16 pm

    The difference between a martyr and a criminal is who wins the war.

    Nelson Mandela killed many people but today in the public consciousness he is thought of as a moral crusader and martyr. His actions while maybe not “good” are at least “understandable” and who would mention them anyways but a White supremacist who irrationally hates Blacks. Just let sleeping dogs lie.

    This public consciousness did not arise spontaneously. It was crafted, and it is in crafting this consciousness that the real war is fought.

  12. #15 by Frank on 04/17/2012 - 2:22 pm

    Both Simmons and Genseric have stuff in moderation at Counter-Currents. I just checked to see if I could find one of them. No luck.

    Perhaps it’s too much of a stretch for folks there to focus on Whites, and see the more subtle aspects of how “history” is used? Or perhaps a lot of people STILL think that “naming the jew” actually accomplishes something.

  13. #16 by Dick_Whitman on 04/17/2012 - 6:26 pm

    I think Bob was being polite when he said that people need to “grow up” or that they “can’t handle it” regarding talking about tribunals. I just call them FUCKING RETARDS. If they’re not just plain stupid fucking retards, then they’re trolls with the intention of making us look like the worst elements of the so called “movement.”

    With that said , let me remind the readers (again) of the practical reasons for financial punishment that is related to the actual defeat of the anti-Whites and the tearing down of the anti-White system.

    Anyone who has studied international relations has probably read about the “Theory of Democratic Peace.” This is the theory that shows that democracies generally don’t fight wars against each other.

    The important part (for our purposes) of this theory relates to the transition period from non-democracy to democracy. Researchers discovered that the transition was faster and easier when the old (non-democratic) leaders were given a future in the new regime (or at least given the opportunity to leave the country). IOW, the leaders who knew they were facing death were willing to fight it out to the end.

    By relying on financial penalization, this will give many of the anti-White leaders an “out” (1) and not push them to fight it out to the end (which will cause more death and destruction for everyone). In fact, the earlier the anti-Whites come clean, the better it will be for them. Anti-Whites will be given opportunities to make deals if they agree to work for pro-Whites in bringing other anti-Whites to justice.

    Of course, there are some anti-Whites who may be “in too deep” and all the money in the world won’t be able to help them? But at this point there’s no use thinking too much about these “in-too-deep” anti-Whites. Once the anti-White system starts really unraveling, more and more information will come out and then we’ll be able to see who the guiltiest parties are.

    But this won’t happen until the anti-White system starts unraveling. And it makes it more difficult to unravel the anti-White system when the people running it believe they must fight to the bloody end.

    So SHUT THE FUCK UP about tribunals and stop making our job more difficult. Chances are if you’re constantly talking about tribunals or killing or “the day of the rope,” you’re probably too FUCKING STUPID or too mentally imbalanced anyway to be relied upon for disseminating justice when that day comes. So give your mind a rest and stop thinking about it.

    And if you’re an anti-White taking part in sophisticated, long-term trolling operations against BUGS, you may be very close to being on the “in-too-deep” list? I suggest you stop your trolling activities before it’s too late to get out (2).

    (1), (2) http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2011/12/25/merry-christmas/#comment-53873

    • #17 by Genseric on 04/17/2012 - 8:33 pm

      DW calls ‘em as he sees ‘em.

      He’s a-okay in my book. And they say Christmas comes but once a year.

    • #18 by beefcake on 04/17/2012 - 9:54 pm

      DW, that is a VERY good point about an enemy fighting to the bitter end, tooth and nail, because for them it means surviving, vs. simply being willing to come out an say “sorry”, and move on.

      I’d much rather Anti-Whites simply see reason and stop what they are doing, and even try to make amends than to continue what they are doing to us.

      Ultimately to me, ALL that matters, is the long term survival of my Race.

      Do I get emotionally angry at the irritants some times? Sure.

      But if letting go of the idea of “punishing” them in sadistic ways is NEEDED for us to get to the point where our Race has secured our long term survival, then we need to be able to let go of those aggressive thoughts.

      It reminds me of something I was taught in the military. The REASON we treat POWs well, we give them food and safety and some comfort, is that this way the enemy side is willing to simply GIVE UP easier.

      If they know they are going to be defeated, and all they lose is some money, but they get to keep their life and still have enjoyment in life, they are much more willing to “give up”.

      Now on the other hand, if they know the enemy will drag them out and KILL them, or worse, then they would fight it out to the end. Why give up, as it would be pointless to?

      BUGsers will never give up, because if we do, that is the DEATH of our entire Race. We DON’T have that choice.

      Our enemy having the choice to Give up, can actually help us achieve the victory in saving our Race.

      • #19 by Genseric on 04/17/2012 - 11:19 pm

        “…reminds me of something I was taught in the military. The REASON we treat POWs well, we give them food and safety and some comfort, is that this way the enemy side is willing to simply GIVE UP easier.” – Beefy

        This actually ties in neatly with something Bob wrote about a while back. He wrote that winning a war is all about which side can CONVINCE the opposition they are losing. Psychological warfare is H-U-G-E. Which is precisely why our military spend MOUNTAINS of cash on it.

        “All the slaughters and artillery and medals are devoted to the same thing other propaganda is aimed at: CONVINCING….

        But when it comes to the real war, it is fought here [through BUGS], in convincing people.

        No ten thousand medal winners even claim to have the effect that well-placed and disciplined words have on the real world” – Bob

        Read more Bob here: http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2012/01/15/reminder-the-only-real-fight-is-here/

  14. #20 by Coniglio Bianco on 04/17/2012 - 9:10 pm

    Very convincing argument you have there. ROFL

    The anti-Whites don’t even have a scratch on them yet and here you are begging for mercy on their behalf and trying to spare them from any real consequences of their actions.

    What are you talking about is appeasement. Do you really think that we can negotiate with these people? The same people who have spent the last sixty-five years trying to kill us? Please tell me you’re not serious.

    Now see everyone this is what happens when depleted uranium gets into the water supply.

    • #21 by Gavin on 04/18/2012 - 12:22 am

      He is not “begging for mercy”

      He is saying that anyone yelling about “tribunals!!!” etc… is not dealing in the real world and is just playing out some childish fantasy or just saying it because that is what was done for a different genocide.

      We should focus on SAVING OUR RACE not “punishing the anti-Whites.” My goal is the long term survival of my race, I am only interested in “punishing the anti-Whites” so far as it contributes to that goal. Viking warrior fantasies or tribunals don’t have the same long term effect that financial punishment does.

  15. #22 by Gavin on 04/18/2012 - 12:05 am

    I see three classifications of anti-Whites.

    1. Those who went along with it because it was fashionable or profitable.

    2. Those who are thought thoroughly brainwashed that they will continue believing in “the strengths of diversity” forever.

    3. Those hardcore anti-Whites who deeply hate our race and are firmly committed to our genocide.

    Group #1 can be educated. They will be able to see the error of their ways.

    Group # 2 will discredit itself. An old fool wandering around talking about “cultural enrichment” when truth about our genocide spreads…will look like the goofball he is.

    Group # 3 must be culturally neutralized. We must make it so that when they speak or write about any of their plans people can see that their opinions are anti-White.

    Just look at how the anti-Whites took over our society. Did they shoot anyone who opposes White genocide in the head? No. They did it without any of the goofball fantasies that wannabe viking warriors day dream about. This is how we operate, no violence, no torchlight parades. Just a process of financial penalization as a long lasting reminder of what the anti-Whites did to us.

  16. #23 by Jason Here on 04/18/2012 - 2:23 am

    Horus, you took credit for spreading the “911 was an inside job” or something to that affect. I gotta tell you, those are the most annoying, unhelpful people I’ve ever run into. They insist over at TOO that the ONLY way to promote White interests is to talk endlessly about 911 conspiracy theories. How have any of those people helped us? I can never get them to talk about much of anything else. White Genocide seems to bore them.

    • #24 by Genseric on 04/18/2012 - 9:09 am

      I think I missed the one where H took credit for this. Would you please kindly provide a reference and/or link?

      • #25 by Jason Here on 04/18/2012 - 1:01 pm

        I believe I’m correct, I’ll find which podcast it was in – I believe it was in one of the first ten, I’ll link when I find it.

        • #26 by H.Avenger on 04/20/2012 - 8:57 am

          No, I never took credit for that one. Alt News and Research took the meme public. I was giving an example of how fast an active group can take a meme public and ingrain it into the public consciousness.

          Elements of this group (altnews) can take White Genocide primetime the same way. Why? Because they are active. This is why we now have a Swarm.

  17. #27 by Epiphany on 04/18/2012 - 5:31 am

    Multiculturalism is an excuse for non Whites to be unpatriotic. That is all it is!
    Besides, Feminists do not care how badly non Whites mistreat their womenfolk. They will stop short, once they get into conflict with the Multiculturalists. Indeed, Feminists only want WHITE men to feel bad about being men.
    Feminists, of course, always back down from conflict with the Multicult!
    I am disillusioned with the entire ideological worldview of Feminism!

  18. #28 by BGLass on 04/18/2012 - 7:01 am

    @ Gavin— there is so much about the psychology of AWW’s that is not yet known; maybe studies will be useful, and research departments dedicated to them.

    Much of what occurs seems a fear-and-trauma based conditioning that has a long history— no one really discusses how ALL the children grapple with the endless saga of “school shootings” and “child sex scandals” and searches, and daily info about how their ‘educations’ are never enough.

    They are treated as if they do not even exist—as if they are not sitting there the whole time, wondering why the adults of their world do nothing, do not even understand they are intaking this material.

    It works— but creates “False Compliance” psychology. Deep down, when it’s clear to run to something else, those merely traumatized, usually will— it’s also when Inquisitions seem to start. (One raised in trauma based conditioning cannot be trusted— what is real compliance that won’t break down versus ‘false compliance’ and how can one tell? How can one really trust the superficially visible ‘compliance?’

    Forced conversions (on the basis of threat, threats of violence, threats of possible sex abuse, abuses, etc.)— require the threat stay ever-present. Because it’s hard to manage, the moves have seemed to be toward Panopticon, self-censure, fear of being watched, etc.. Victims of propaganda.

  19. #29 by The Old Man of the Mountain on 04/18/2012 - 9:57 am

    The International Bankers CAUSED the Great Depression.

    WWII did not end the Great Depression, it put American Tax Payers heavily into debt.

    That debt continues to grow, and is actually Debt Slavery.

    When an American Citizen purchases a car, an International Bank make more profit than the manufacturer. When an American Citizen purchases a house, an International Bank makes more profit than the builder.

    The Debt Slaves just get deeper in debt.

    Did the International Banker’s Great Depression really end?

    • #30 by Gavin on 04/18/2012 - 10:18 am

      I never understood how “WWII ended the great depression”

      Did the standard of living go up? If so how? All the resources and labour was put into the war effort.

  20. #31 by Epiphany on 04/18/2012 - 1:00 pm

    The U.S. should never have gotten involved in the First World War, in the first place. They certainly should have stayed out of the Second World War! The Isolationists will one day be vindicated.

  21. #32 by BGLass on 04/22/2012 - 10:47 am

    The depression funded the war.

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