One commenter said he gets confused when he wants to trace ideas to me. He seems to indicate a certain guilt about this.
No way, Jose!
You are doing EXACTLY what, years ago, I could only call Mantra Thinking.
Years ago, when those who are now called the “old hands,” Lord Nelson, the Trucker, WR, had not yet begun here, I would talk about Mantra Thinking. I still do.
But, like the use of the Mantra itself, it is really impossible to explain MT to people who have not been here, been out THERE with our message, and had practice in these things.
Other people are sincerely trying to sell you doctrines. I am trying to sell a Way of Thinking. My goal is and always has been to get you to see the holes in the world that I see people falling through all the time the way I do.
Back in the Chained Book Age, it made no difference whatsoever whether what you said was true or not, or whether what you said WORKED or not. All that made the slightest difference was quoting an Authority, and above all quoting him in Latin or Greek. So no matter how many studies you did, men had more teeth than women because ARISTOTLE said so.
Taking blood from sick people never did them any good, but you could quote Galen, not just in Latin, but in the high-class language of upper class Romans, GREEK, stating flatly that what George Washington needed when he was near death from pneumonia was to have his veins opened and a quart or two of his blood put into a bowl.
This kind of crap would be a joke, and a rather superficial one, if it had not chained US to our chained books.
So in these million words, I said over and over that I was showing you DISCIPLINE in how to save our race. I did not want to get sidetracked, but I would say from time to time that what this discipline, this Other Kind of thinking, would end up in was a new kind of thinking.
And when one of you describes it to me, he sounds APOLOGETIC!
In answer, I should sound CONGRATULATORY!
It took me years to get anyone to use the Mantra itself, but now that we are a Swarm the Mantra Thinking has gotten under way, and I can see why no one would notice it but me.
Our thinking is the latest stage in the transition from the Chained Book Age to the Google Age.
In the Chained Book Age, information was hard to come by. Now it overwhelms us. Mantra Thinking asks, “Why was this particular information produced?”
Mantra Thinking is ANALYSIS of information. It is the careful study of the BASICS BEHIND information.
For me, Mantra Thinking is like the Mantra itself: You can’t understand it until you get used to using it. And once you get used to using it, you will see people who use the old thinking as dunces.
So this was glad tidings, and I offer my congratulations. Before we discuss a history of thought, let’s develop the thinking.
#1 by Dave on 05/07/2012 - 9:43 am
The Mantra is a method of fighting.
Refutation is no necessary part of argument!
ARGUMENT is for intellectuals. THEY are experts at putting things into controversy. THEY don’t care about what is true. What is true is that you are laying there half conscious on the sidewalk, bleeding, after receiving an unexpected fist in the chops. Unlike you, your opponent understood that refutation is no necessary part of argument. If you had understood, that smack in the chops would have been expected.
The Mantra is a method of fighting.
Mantra thinking says “do what works”.
You make a revolution with Mantra thinking. With Mantra thinking you proceed to power. Meanwhile, the intellectuals will be clueless. They will spend the next 100 years trying to explain and arguing over how you did it. Meanwhile, you will ride astride the world like a mount on his stallion.
#2 by dungeoneer on 05/07/2012 - 8:07 pm
This mantra thinker will be content with saying nothing when nothing needs to be said.
#3 by Harumphty Dumpty on 05/07/2012 - 9:23 pm
Damn it BoardAd, are you the official arbiter of when a thread should be shut down? If Bob has so designated you, okay. Otherwise, please think if it’s appropriate that you are exercising your single vote to shut up a whole passel of people who are considerably older than you. You make me feel like I’m at freakin’ Amren (append your own favorite curses).
I appreciate very much…I do truly…that you keep us all afloat here in spite of your demanding schedule, but inevitably that confers a feeling of the site being yours to manage in ALL ways…that’s just human nature.
I had just written the below…if I can now reconstruct it…to Bob’s last post, on the offending mini-mantra:
Contratulatons! And thank you, to the author of that mini-Mantra!
You fired up Beefcake to a red hot heat that caused a BRILLIANT podcast to pour out of him tonight on the topic!
Anyone who will think that BEEFCAKE’S BOOTCAMP EPISODE 12: TOPICS TO AVOID will be just very competent, just as Beefcake’s posts here are very competent, is very mistaken. Beefcake’s able posts don’t give a hint of his immensely greater ability when speaking, IMO.
Beefcake’s has a truly extraordinary gift as an extemporaneous speaker when he really gets the bit in his teeth, and on this one he is in full gallop!
http://whitegenocideproject.com/beefcakes-bootcamp-episode-12-topics-to-avoid/
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(Bob Writes):
“One commenter said he gets confused when he wants to trace ideas to me. He seems to indicate a certain guilt about this.”
I’m not sure if this was me (or someone else), when I remarked on how much I now feel that the Mantra and it’s points and ideas are my own, as if I developed them.
(Btw, realizing that has helped me understand how all the hypnotized anti-Whites so thoroughly believe that their conditioned ideas are their own…it’s human nature to take possession of things I guess)
I do find myself now looking much more to the reality of things…just things in my everyday life…than I used to…that’s never been a natural talent for me, and I’m very appreciative of the change.
#4 by Jason Here on 05/08/2012 - 12:07 am
Fantastic podcast by beefcake, thanks again guys. I’m seeing a lot of new talent pop up on the pro-White front.
#5 by BoardAd on 05/08/2012 - 7:28 am
Bob has afforded me great liberties in the management of this website. As such, I have also afforded those to you.
In the old days you were given one comment a day that Bob had to clear himself. They were well thought out comments though.
I regret that the movement from that policy and my lazie fair approach to moderation has lead to a culture of comment spewing.
From my point, you don’t seem to have taken offence at the closing of the comments, so much as you have over a snot nosed kid telling you what to do.
#6 by Coniglio Bianco on 05/08/2012 - 12:08 am
The last thing anyone needs around here is to have their opinions censored. Closing threads arbitrarily is a great way to shut down discussion altogether.
I would also appreciate it if Bob would lay off his insulting the intelligence of people simply because they have made an honest mistake. It is unnecessary and it is counterproductive.
Sometimes a person will overlook something in their excitement to work on saving their race. It doesn’t matter if people make a mistake once in a while if they are on message the rest of the time.
#7 by The Seeker of Truth on 05/08/2012 - 4:52 am
I agree Coniglio. I don’t post as much as I used to because of this cultism that has spread to even here.
#8 by Jason Here on 05/08/2012 - 5:16 am
I suspect the criticism Bob offers goes back to his statement (if I remember it right), that he is not so much a leader as he is a coach. A coach is in the game with you, correcting you and offering advice. Personally, I like it. I want feedback. As I understand it, this is not so much a “bull session” type blog, as it is a way to get things done. Sure, I hope we can post our own opinions and offer our own criticism, but there are already blogs that have post after post of guys putting up their Profound Thoughts. I’ve wasted plenty of time doing that myself. 🙂
#9 by Coniglio Bianco on 05/08/2012 - 5:58 am
The problem is that Bob isn’t a coach he’s a cult leader and we are all in Jonestown. It’s a serious problem in my opinion. Thank god we’re on the internet and not in a compound somewhere.
#10 by Jason Here on 05/08/2012 - 6:11 am
OK, HD says you are OK, but … that is a wild statement. I haven’t been asked to sign over my assets or even give personal information or pledge obedience to him or offer my children up to Bob to bless – LOL. A “cult” has a specific meaning. Is my boss at work a cult leader because he wants things done a certain way and gives feedback? No. I’m using Bob as much as he is using me (ditto with beefcake, Lord Nelson, HD, Horus, Dave, all of them). I get first rate advice on how to craft a message that serves my self interest. That is not a cult. You appear to have a serious case of the grumpies 🙂
#11 by Harumphty Dumpty on 05/08/2012 - 7:52 am
I thought this statement by Coniglio was one of his more accurate ones, though stated in his usual colorful hyperbole. I’ve been involved in a cult or two, and BUGs definitely has some of the attributes. I see that as an advantage more than a disadvantage at this point.
I wish Bob had a different manner of being critical also, but he doesn’t, so that’s that.
The personalities of all of us have to be accommodated to some extent, and especially the personalities of our leaders.
But I consider it cult-like in a bad way to enshrine those personality traits as approved modes of group interaction….I’m not a fan of “throwing the muddy boot” as Beefcake puts it. I’m with Linux Lewis, who posted that, if you’re going to criticize me, please have some consideration for my feelings.
I think Bob and Horus both make a strong effort to have that consideration, and Horus especially almost always succeeds. But Horus has criticized me twice that I know of, once on the Miami Herald goof I made concering the video….that criticism didn’t bother me much, because I could see that even though he was rightfully very angry he’d made an effort to express it in a way that wouldn’t steamroller me.
The other time I still have a bad feeling about…instead of having asked Horus what he meant by something as I should have, I assumed his meaning (mistakenly), and his raw anger hit me like a ton of bricks.
But the way he addressed me then didn’t come anywhere near the way I addressed Byron Calvert when I was in a rage, or maybe even the way I angrily addressed BoardAd last night.
One problem is that in face to face you can emphasize the need for someone to behave differently even when you are angry by letting the anger be accompanied with a variety of other feelings (e.g. a wry friendly grin while maintaining eye contact) that soften the effect while making the point.
In print, only the anger comes through. And in print, one is more likely to express their raw anger than they are when facing a person.
I think that pretending that we are all a bunch of tough guys who can take it is a bunch of unrealistic bs, and we need to be as considerate of each other as we can be, as well as being honest with ourselves about what affects us.
Coniglio, your way of expressing yourself creates a lot of anger. I know it’s your personality, but I’ve seen that you can soften it when you want to. I wouldn’t want to cramp your style….of your two posts just above, I thought the one about “censorhip..threads closed” was a good post in every part of it, and I enjoyed the Jonestown one too. I enjoy hyperbole, but the trouble with your hyperbole is that a real dislike and disapproval by you of people who may or may not have the flaws you point out, but who STILL deserve our respect for what they’ve done, comes through your words and grates deeply. You are much too harsh a judge of people.
#12 by dungeoneer on 05/08/2012 - 11:06 am
Yes he is.
Please ban him.
#13 by Harumphty Dumpty on 05/08/2012 - 3:34 pm
On a thread on NSM, etc., Jason asked Coniglio if he’d posted the Mantra lately.
I’m guessing that it was really in reaction to that that Coniglio later posted to Jason on that thread,
“If all you’re going to do is parrot the enemy’s propganda that we’ve all heard a thousand times before you might as well go back to SF where you belong.”
I could be mistaken, but I thought I saw an immediate drop in Jason’s extremely high spirits and amazingly high output (dropping down to just a marvelously high output) on this site right after that. Coniglio’s post upset me a lot, and I wasn’t even the target.
He’s made similar comments to others here in the past.
We shouldn’t have that kind of crap here. If Coniglio can’t understand that he undermines morale with statements like that, and can’t change (and I no longer believe that people can change, except very rarely), he shouldn’t be here, because he’s doing more harm than good.
I enjoy many of his comments, and I understand that some of them are useful.
#14 by BoardAd on 05/08/2012 - 4:02 pm
Thank you HD for bringing this to my attention.
I will be keeping watch from now on.
#15 by Harumphty Dumpty on 05/08/2012 - 3:41 pm
Apologies, Jason, for bringing that up.
#16 by Jason Here on 05/08/2012 - 7:15 pm
Oh I think it was mainly life interfering that made my output go down some, not any remark from Coniglio. Also, in the beginning I wasn’t banned on so many sites from posting the Mantra. LOL. It was easy to carpet bomb. It DOES take more willpower to keep posting the Mantra, because it is more like work, not play – which is a sign it’s effective.
#17 by Coniglio Bianco on 05/08/2012 - 7:20 pm
It is not my intention to undermine morale. If I make a negative comment it is usually because I have noticed a problem with something and I am trying to point it out so that people actually think about whether or not what they are doing is correct.
There are several problems that need to be resolved if BUGS is going to be successful in its long-term mission and these are not problems that I created. They were mostly pre-existing or have developed on their own due to differences in perspectives and the various personalities of the people who have been attracted to this site. These are problems that will continue whether or not I am here since they inherent to any type of organisation. It would be nice if everyone always agreed on everything but that is obviously not possible.
I realise that some people will find many of my comments shocking or outrageous at first glance but there is always an important element of truth in them. I am attempting to get across certain points that I consider critically important for the overall success of the mission. As Horus correctly pointed out I am a pessimist and tend to see the negative side of things but I consider myself to be a realist and I think it is useful to have a different perspective on things. Basically I just want to see all of the problems fixed. There are many such problems here and moderation of the forum is not one of them.
#18 by OldBlighty on 05/08/2012 - 9:48 pm
Of course a troll would say that, so they can keep on trollin’.
Conglio,
You refuse to post the mantra. You sprinkle 10% Pro White, to con the naive members and the rest of what you do, is poo throwing at any opening you can find.
I can go to the Zoo and watch the monkeys do what you do.
Guys,
Trolls need to be removed, because they turn the atmosphere toxic and that has been achieved, because BUGS is not as positive as it was, only a year ago.
If people are not doing work, are nit picking and attacking everything, they should be shown the door ASAP.
Common sense says, you remove toxic, non-producers from your organization.
This is a no brainer. DUH!
#19 by BoardAd on 05/08/2012 - 7:23 am
Censorship? My word! The truly censored would love to have a forum to express their thoughts if all censorship meant was a thread that was closed every now and then for going off topic.
#20 by Harumphty Dumpty on 05/08/2012 - 8:22 am
@ “From my point, you don’t seem to have taken offence at the closing of the comments, so much as you have over a snot nosed kid telling you what to do.”
I was afraid my remark would seem that way. But BoardAd, I saw the comment you put at the end of another thread you closed (the one that had a lot about Gaede on it), and which you had removed by the next morning, and it was definitely a “snot nosed” comment even if you are in your fifties! Lol!
Last night beefcake’s podcast on the mini-mantra that was discussed yesterday suddenly appeared, and I listened to it and thought it was a brilliant coverage and summary of the entire issue of that mini-mantra, and would be a fitting cap to the entire thread. I excitedly rushed over to the thread and wrote a post about it, and when I hit the post button, my post vanished into thin air and I got a message that the thread had been closed. My feelings toward you at that moment were not the warmest.
To be honest, I don’t think you were thinking straight when you shut down that thread. Whatever the custom used to be here long ago, Bob brought up in his post what has been a central problem here and promises to continue being a central problem as more and more jewaholic pro-Whites probably will show up here. On such an important topic you should have let the thread go on as long as it needed to!
If people would just show up here and do as Bob says, we’d have no need for discussion. But it’s not that simple! A very experienced bugser wrote that mini-mantra, and I used it happily all the time I was railing on this site against anyone mentioning Jews! Do you see that the problem is deep and requires a LOT of discussion?
Of all the threads you could cut off, that was about the worse choice you could have made in my opinion.
You ARE young, BoardAd. If you think that cutting us off will make us act less like children, you are wrong…it will make us feel and act MORE like children. I’ve seen that happen on other sites.
#21 by BoardAd on 05/08/2012 - 3:46 pm
Regarding the comment in the other thread. I was furious over the content in that thread. It wasn’t deleted due to a change of heart or some other sappy reason, the reason was much more simple. I lacked the time to create the necessary changes.
I do not wish to upset anyone, but there is a pattern developing in the comments which I feel is very negativity focused for BUGS and I am furious over it. It isn’t on message, nor is it on topic to the relevant discussions.
I will not stand for sectional dogma that pit one group of Whites against another. I will not stand idly by while my friends are insulted.
I am not going to be as radical as I suggested in my earlier comment, but I am going to be involved with the forum again.
#22 by Harumphty Dumpty on 05/08/2012 - 9:42 am
I just wrote this to a friend:
“The admin has a point. All those threads are too much of a distraction, and I can’t seem to resist them”
Bob wants to write one of his own posts everyday. Some seem to me more Mantra oriented than others.
Could we make it our challenge to derive out of every one of his posts some central or at least peripheral mantra points?
That’s what we have to do at the articles we post to.
That would be an enjoyable challenge and good training.
I vote that we try out as an experiment that every post Bob puts up, we respond only with posts pointing out the Mantra points we think he makes explicitly or peripherally in it, or the points he makes for using he Mantra.
I could handle some moderation of such threads, if it’s done astutely. (i.e. not Amren-like)
What do you think of this idea, and do you want to discuss it with Bob?
#23 by BoardAd on 05/08/2012 - 3:58 pm
I would appreciate any and all well thought out comments.
Keep them short but content heavy, as that is the symbol of a well written comment. Your comment is perfect, it gets right to the point with little fluff or extraneous pontification.
What I don’t want to get is flooded with emails containing comments which I could have read elsewhere.
#24 by Harumphty Dumpty on 05/08/2012 - 5:47 pm
Just brainstorming:
Would it help to make it a point of honor among us for none of us to post on any thread here unless we’ve posted a Mantra comment or otherwise sent one or spoken one to someone within the preceding 24 hours, and reported it here on our working thread (“Where did you post the mantra today…”)?
There are, after all, places that the Mantra or mini-mantras can be posted without receiving guff…if someone can’t handle guff, they can just make their post, report it, and let anyone else who is interested go handle the guff.
#25 by Bob on 05/08/2012 - 10:47 am
HD, Bob does NOT want to write one of his pieces every day.
I would happily cut back,but our numbers go down when I do.
Thank you for your suggestion that comments relate to the article and Mantra Thinking, but, sadly, it ain’t gonna happen.
Also,why didn’t you put that beefcake link in THIS comment?
Our admin is doing just what I want him to by taking responsibility as an editor.
#26 by Harumphty Dumpty on 05/08/2012 - 2:27 pm
“Bob does NOT want to write one of his pieces every day.”
Bob, maybe you could write new ones on alternate days, and re-run some very old ones on the days in-between?
Several bugsers have urged me to go back and read the old ones…I started back at the beginning, 2004, but then I forget about it for weeks…I’ve never gotten more than 6 or 7 pages from the beginning.
The pages I’ve read were a delight and I would love to read them all, and if you were to follow my plan and start at the beginning it would give me an incentive to live to be 87 years old.
Your post on the first page about the death of your boss Ashcroft (that subject was not a delight) stuck in my mind with other reminders…such as Ron Paul’s apparent victory in Maine (?)…that the realities that rule us are far from what they are portrayed to be. Looking for those realities is what I now take to be “Mantra thinking;” I’m not sure that I’ve yet assigned the right meaning to that term.
(anyone can get to any of the pages of Bob’s old posts by clicking on Home, and then on the URL for the home page, append “page/178/” or any lesser-numbered page)
#27 by Harumphty Dumpty on 05/08/2012 - 2:37 pm
@ Bob: The link to Beefcake’s podcast on the mini-mantra we discussed here yesterday is in my post near the top of this thread. Here it is again:
http://whitegenocideproject.com/beefcakes-bootcamp-episode-12-topics-to-avoid/
Click on the instruction written in red,
“Download Here: 0012 Topics to Avoid”
#28 by Bob on 05/08/2012 - 3:38 pm
HD, thanks for the suggestion, but we tried the reruns and readership dropped like a rock.
#29 by beefcake on 05/08/2012 - 4:21 pm
Well Coach, I am glad you still find a way to paraphrase what you have already repeated a million times.
When something is effective, we repeat it. Over, and Over and Over again.
I could only imagine how frustrating it is, to be so repetitive when not everyone in the classroom learns at a fast speed.
Some folks here really are learning how to analyze information, and more specifically learning how to use that to expose how the underlying idea behind what Anti-Whites are saying is advocating our Genocide.
What you are doing by writing each day, even if repetitive, IS very helpful to our team.
#30 by Dick_Whitman on 05/08/2012 - 6:30 pm
Regarding the “cult” comment.
I’ve played both high school and college basketball. I’ve seen coaches scream at my teammates and I, where in at least one case (in High School) I remember a player bursting out in tears. I saw one coach slap a teammate in the face for being too soft.These coaches demanded excellence and when we made stupid mistakes, we would hear about it. The meanest coach I ever had (and most demanding) now coaches at a very high level (he won a lot and made his players better and went from coaching high school JV teams to Div 1 College in 10 years).
I see Bob as being no different than any of these coaches. He demands excellence and when we make stupid mistakes, we hear about it. DON’T TAKE IT PERSONALLY! Just like these coaches I had, Bob wants to win and make you better.
Now for the troll situation. Because our enemy cannot handle our message outright they will use dirty tricks. Trolling is one such dirty trick. And the sophistication of the trolls will increase. As you see with this Congo Troll, he was here a long time and even took time to spread the Mantra.
In fact, trolls will use spreading the Mantra as there pretext to be here to engage in trolling activities. They’ll spread the Mantra one minute, and then start attacking other pro-Whites the next (or engage in other trolling activities).
Eventually what we’ll see is a troll or a couple trolls (who used to post here or do at this time) start websites committed to smearing BUGS or FTWR. Their main purpose will be to keep others from staying on our message. In fact, there will be people who posted here for years who will one day turn on us and start stirring shit against BUGS.
They’ll say “don’t start posting at BUGS, those people are all cult members…I used to post there..stay away…BUGS is there to keep you from discussing the Jews…Whitaker is a Jew…blah,blah,blah..etc,etc.”
You guys need to remember that this is a legitimate war. The enemy (anti-Whites) can not handle our message. All they can do is use dirty tricks against us while trying to censor us. And as the message spreads farther (and the anti-White system starts collapsing even faster), the dirty tricks will become MORE DIRTY and more sophisticated.
The main thing is that you don’t take things personally or allow the enemy to lower your morale. We have to keep driving on.