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BUGS Began as Southern Nationalist

Posted by Bob on June 4th, 2012 under Coaching Session

A new commenter calls himself Southern Nationalist. What became began its existence as part of the League of the South Online.

When the League of the South split, I continued writing for both sides. Since WOL was the most popular column on both web sites, they accepted this, but of course considered me a false friend.

Finally I took the big step and set out as WOL alone.

Both sides in the LOS banned discussion of race. In fact at the beginning it was frequently claimed that the Confederate Army had a huge number of blacks in it! The LOS also tried to get a good image by claiming the CSA would be melting pot, just like today‘s USA.

Which, of course, left it to us murmurers to wonder why we should leave the Big USA to become a small USA. Both sides in the split went along with this version of today’s BNP idea of sounding just like the mainstream. Prevented from saying anything good about my own people, I used the column in the early days to chide both sides. That’s when I made “respectable conservative,” a combination never used, and certainly never explained, by anyone before.

So welcome to my comrade, Southern Nationalist.

But am I a Southern Nationalist now?

That goes right along with the question, am I an American patriot now?

That would depend on what those words MEAN, of course. Today, that is the way the Patriots hook you. People worship the American soldiers in Afghanistan, but I don’t. To often they will say they are Americans and will then immediately say, in effect, that they have no loyalty whatever to the American people, as in “We the People.”

Their eyes go blank and they say they are not for “We the People,” which would be bigoted and nationalist, but for the “Principles America stands for.”

In the Declaration of Independence, which was written in a time of a war for survival, Jefferson was appealing for help from abroad. Jefferson realized that simply saying “We the People” would not appeal to OTHER peoples in France and England.

By contrast, when we actually wrote and ADOPTED our OWN Constitution, it began by saying that we are the people of the United States who wanted to make a better union FOR OURSELVES.

And WE adopted it.

From the point of view of the Constitution, this “principles” crap is treason.

A Higher Principle is, in fact, the very first thing every traitor claims.

You can be a Wordist, or you can be a nationalist. Look at the Muslims in the US Army. It is a matter of their faith and culture versus this bureaucracy that has given them a piece of paper to make them “documented.”

In the real world, that “principles” rap is an excuse to shoot your own guys in the back.

Or to destroy your own race in the name of Americanism.

  1. #1 by zyzz on 06/04/2012 - 10:35 am

    Interesting. I did not know that you were part of the League of the South.

    I joined LOS a few years ago but haven’t been active in a long time.

    My father always used to say to me privately following LOS meetings: “Secession is a great idea and all but just remember that if you secede here in the South, you are still going to be with all THESE PEOPLE” meaning the People of Walmart brainwashed multiculturalists and non-Whites.

    I always will support any secession movement in the USA because America has honestly become an exporter of multiculturalism, feminism, and consumerism, but ideally, the best parts of the country are always going to be the most White parts of the country.

    I have honestly stopped caring about politics since I became a racialist. Everyone knows that a dominant White SOCIALIST country is still going to be better than a non-White or multiculturalist Libertarian country.

  2. #2 by BGLass on 06/04/2012 - 10:40 am

    White is a very big word and includes much real diversity. No one should ever have to give up their unique identity (trajectory to the country, historical narrative, myths, heroes, cannon of writers, artists, the right to dig at their own history and find out more about themselves) in order to fulfill some organizational idea. That defeats the point, imo. If you have to give up being “southern” (and keep your mouth shut about your life) to be in some group, then why is it all that much better (on a level) than becoming part of the “human race” (lol… or whatever incredibly dumbed-down vacant huge platitude that is so big as to be meaningless?

    Well… the answer would be “to save whites.”

    But the bottom line is that differences can be kept and be productive (not swept under the rug for unity).

    Again… it can seem that same thing that is often come back to —like with perversions (imo) of christianity— where self-abnegation becomes the goal. Not existing.

    There are a lot of people who take up the idea that God tells you to cease to exist (be “self-sacrificing”)— but how many preachers bother to have real conversations about what that really means.

    So the latest sociopath just comes along and guilts “christians” for not handing over their stuff, (or whatever), and USES this idea.

  3. #3 by Dave on 06/04/2012 - 12:17 pm

    The American Constitution has been and is a wholesale failure. The fundamental aim of comprehensive political settlements through representative government failed with the result of civil war and the imposition of a political settlement with the Southern States through force of arms.

    It was and is a catastrophic state of nature where politics is reduced the singularity of political violence and law is diseased. It is where we have always been and where we are now.

    Nobody recognizes the bus they are riding on: Civil War, WWI, WWII, all catastrophes that have left the “trailing catastrophe” of the HERE and NOW. THIS TIME came from THAT TIIME. And people think this is normal when it is in fact CATASTROPHE. We are living in the ruins of catastrophe.

    The Establishment (really a dictatorship) is unconscious. Accordingly power is for the taking for anyone aware enough to see the power lying at their feet.

    Meanwhile, “the hordes” will indulge themselves in the singularity of political violence and Mommy Professor will dance in bacchanalian delight for getting paid by furnishing commentary on it all.

    Think of the shit bag Henry Kissinger to get the real world flavor of what I mean.


    They have handed us power through THEIR catastrophe. And the shit bags who drafted the American Constitution handed us power through means they could never have imagined.

    In all of the history of the Ivy League there has never been a seminar that could even come close to BUGS in its entire splendor. This seminar will live in history. Count on it!

  4. #4 by Southern Nationalist on 06/04/2012 - 12:22 pm

    Thank you most kindly for the welcome, Coach.

    You might be interested to know that I am a LS member (chapter leader, in fact) and last week spoke at a LS gathering. My talk was on the Mantra and how to stay on a consistent message. Everyone there loved it. They asked for my notes afterwards, which I was happy to provide. I gave you credit for the ideas, of course. Anyhow, there is certainly a radicalisation going on within the Southern movement. The anti-Whites are being weeded out and the younger folks in particular have no time for the Rainbow Confederates who have previously ran the movement. I’m happy to do what I can to promote the message that our primary goal is the survival and well-being of our people. It’s a message I repeat all the time. I’ve learned a lot during my short time at BUGS and hope to continue learning. Again, thanks for making me feel welcome.

    Below are my notes from the talk I gave at the LS meeting on the Mantra:

  5. #5 by Simmons on 06/04/2012 - 1:52 pm

    I joined in 95 or 96, back in the days the LOS was popular at “Chronicles” and just before Fleming and Wilson conducted the show trial of Sam Francis (note Sam was the most popular writer for the magazine so nothing came of the trial just “anti-racist” huff an fluff).

    Anyway before I joined I wrote to Michael Hill asking if race was an appropriate topic of discussion and I mentioned Mr. Taylor’s name to see the reaction, and he wrote back and said it was fine.

    We do have the moral high ground, and for the life of me I cannot see the point of those who think we do not.

    FTR even after I dropped my membership I did donate to their Alabama tornado relief fund, since I figured they would at least try and get money to rural whites.

  6. #6 by zyzz on 06/04/2012 - 3:03 pm

    @southern nationalist

    You are in Statesboro? I live in Metter GA right now.

    • #7 by Southern Nationalist on 06/04/2012 - 3:31 pm

      Zyzz, I live about 2 hours away from Statesboro, across the river in SC.

  7. #8 by rebel7254 on 06/04/2012 - 5:06 pm

    Bob, look at this recent essay by LS president Michael Hill:

    As you can see, though in the past the LS may have censored discussion on race, it would appear that is changing. There are still a lot of people who, unfortunately, claim to honor and cherish Confederate heritage, but spend all of their time talking about what good Americans they are and Black Confederate soldiers. Race remains taboo, and they always want to duck the slavery issue by bringing up how most Southerners didn’t own slaves etc. etc. Most groups that report to be pro-Southern are just as brainwashed by the religion of political correctness as any “respectable conservative” group you’ll find. However, as “Southern Nationalist” said, as we move further into the Age of Survival more and more people are waking up.

  8. #9 by six gun on 06/04/2012 - 7:45 pm

    This has nothing to do with this thread but has much to do with BUGS.
    If people did not know How Whites Took Over America Video Banned got by Youtube.
    It was HATE speech.
    Hate of what I’m not clear but there we have it.
    Other copies are still up.
    Anti-White as the day is long.

  9. #10 by Jason on 06/04/2012 - 9:17 pm

    Great piece. This point about higher principles and grand abstractions often being a sucker’s game, needs to be pointed out, most especially to intelligent and good-natured White people out there who are very susceptible to it. It is very easy, especially in a White person, to trigger feelings that you are following a “higher calling”, without regard to the actual concrete society. I think a lot of us tend to get confused about the proper relationship of an abstraction to actual concretes.

    There is no way to “die for an ideal”. That may be the point to get across. There is no way to “die for free speech”. How on earth would a person do such a thing? It makes as much sense as saying I will die for the law of gravity.

    Now, we have to be sure we don’t come across as cynical or that we don’t believe in general principles and laws that are advantageous for White people, but we need to emphasize that it is the people that come first and that any political action has to be grounded in reality. The whole concept of Wordism has helped me enormously.

  10. #11 by c-bear on 06/04/2012 - 10:48 pm

    I’ve made the progression through a few -isms myself. Always pro-white, I’ve witnessed the damage it can do. I haven’t yet been able to shake the Whitakerisms though. Could my Southern roots be the cause of this distrust? Perhaps this is why I picked up on it so readily. I would like to satisfy my curiousity – Just what IS the percentage of Bugsers with Southern origins?

  11. #12 by Scythian on 06/04/2012 - 10:57 pm

    Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, white countries for EVERYBODY!
    It is genocide.
    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

    This will be written EVERYWHERE!

  12. #13 by The Old Man of the Mountain on 06/05/2012 - 10:18 am

    Coach, I think it is very important that you expand upon a couple of points, if you are willing to.

    (1) A State is a Nation and each State has its own Constitution but everyone MUST abide by our Federal Constitution including the Federal Government.

    Our Federal Constitution does not grant us Rights instead it CONSTRAINS the Federal and State Governments.

    Any State or Federal Agent who refuses to abide by our Federal Constitution must be expelled from the Federal Union or imprisoned.

    (2) The Federal Union was designed as a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy.

    Federal Law CONSTRAINS the actions of Governments (Federal, State, County, and Municipal) and Citizens to prevent Tyranny and Mob Rule.

    Democracy = Anarchy = Mob Rule.

    (I am in the Sons of the Confederate Veterans.)

    • #14 by Southern Nationalist on 06/05/2012 - 10:28 am

      A state is not a nation. A state is a sovereign government. A nation is a distinct ethnic/cultural group. Germans are a nation. Germany and Austria (both populated primarily by Germans) are states. The US is in theory a Federal Republic of sovereign states. In reality, it functions as a single state with subordinate regional governments that have had no real autonomy since 1865.

  13. #15 by BGLass on 06/06/2012 - 11:55 am

    @ A state is not a nation…’

    Am breaking one-comment rule—- sorry, but not sure about this one.

    Currently, that is true. But in the past, the states fell along ethnic lines (and still do to a point).

    In the early state constitutions you often had to attest protestantim, for instance, to hold any office (like New Jersey or North Carolina and others). I.E.– the state was IN FACT, a wasp state, (others could live but not hold office or govern).

    Idk— but if you look at transformation in immigration, it begins in previously contested areas (back then, with France and Spain) such as South Florida, (southeast) and the southwest, az/ california, etc— Now— you see that in the Northeast also, in NY/NJ/CT— like hispanification of New Haven (near Yale), and nearby NY towns (Tarrytown, Sleepy Hollow, Mamaroneck, etc.)

    —called “reconquista.” Beginning with the previously contested spanish/french areas, then fanning into northeast— THEN seeding the south/ bible belt (wasp)

    At any rate— the old genuinely national borders in the u.s. are still visible, as well as the “reconquista.” All these are groups functioning with some degree of “ethnic” consciousness, seems more like.

    • #16 by Southern Nationalist on 06/06/2012 - 12:41 pm

      (Unsure of how the one comment rule applies to replies but I wanted to address the above comment more fully.)

      BGLass, A state’s border can correspond to the area where a nation lives. For example, the state of Japan corresponds to the territory where the Japanese nation lives. The Icelandic state also corresponds to the area where the Icelandic nation of people live. However, this is not always the case. The state of Germany corresponds with only part of the territory where the German nation lives. The German nation also lives in Austria, Lichtenstein and much of Switzerland. As well, there are probably German-majority areas just inside some of the other neighbouring states. So, my point is just that a state is an independent government whereas a nation is a particular ethnic/cultural body of people. Obviously, in the US the terms have been confused because our states have been made nothing more just outposts of DC, and the DC regime and its backers use ‘nation’ to mean single state (for example in the Pledge of Allegiance) when in fact the US is not a nation at all.

  14. #17 by The Old Man of the Mountain on 06/06/2012 - 2:55 pm

    A Nation is a separate group of similar People, and every American State has become its own Nation. Thomas Jefferson referred to his Nation as Virginia, and so do I. To take that one step further, I don’t even like leaving this county and traveling to the adjoining county. The folks there look different, talk different, dress different, act different, live different lifestyles, and have their own separate culture from this county.

    White Folks have broken off and formed new and unique Nations from the beginning, and don’t be surprised that we still do.

    My Nation is Virginia, that is my People, and there is no logical reason for us to share a government with other Peoples as different from Virginians as those in New York or Massachusetts. We don’t see eye to eye with such as them, and we never will.

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