No matter how they say, “Race does not exist” or some sickening smile with “Racism will end when everybody realizes we all just human,” you are saying that genocide is impossible.
Genocide is not destroying humans. Genocide is destroying a PARTICULAR KIND of human.
Mao Tse Tung is estimated to have starved and murdered about fifty million Chinese. But no one objects to China having his smiling picture as its symbol, because those were Chinese, not Jews, Gypsies or any other IDENTIFIABLE group.
They were just a few million of these “humans.”
So call them on it when they use this “humans” crap, just as you do when they use the “no such thing as race” crap.
#1 by backbaygrouch on 07/18/2012 - 6:05 am
Subtext to, “Race is a social construct”: No Race, no holocaust.
#2 by Epiphany on 07/18/2012 - 6:31 am
Race is most certainly not a social construct. It is a biological fact!
#3 by Jason on 07/18/2012 - 6:44 am
Question for group: I notice in debate that the most effective means for me to shut down the “race doesn’t exist” line is precisely to say, “well then you are saying genocide can’t happen” and to point out that the term genocide implies the existence of race. I never hear from them again.
However, there is also the scientific argument and there are some good Minis on it. But it seems like using the legal definition of genocide works best, as far as shutting them up on race denial. Is that everyone else’s experience too, or do you find success with the scientific angle? Seems like that might lead to endless back and forth.
#4 by six gun on 07/18/2012 - 8:05 am
Jason they can get you on that but you can get them back.
You can have genocide where races do not exist.
Art 2 UN Convention says
“any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group..”
Notice genocide does not necessarily involve race.
You might then counter by saying yes but it may involve race.
They can reply with yes it may include this idea of race but race is a social construct.
So the UN is legislating against the destruction of a social construct..
Just so everyone is clear as social construct according to the dictionary is:
A social mechanism, phenomenon, or category created and developed by society; a perception of an individual, group, or idea that is ‘constructed’ through cultural or social practice.
So the dictionary is saying it is simply just the way a group of people are viewed. White people of Europe have been called this thing called a race over the years but it is just a label attached to them with no biological basis.
There has been a big debate on youtube between two of the vocal characters in the area. The social construct chap has lost and very soundly.
Race is a biological entity, not it probably is, it is.
The idea it is a social construct is an ideological construct.
We are all the same so there can be no IQ gaps, not behavioural differences and no objection to mass immigration and assimilation. No objection to the elimination of White people off the face of the map. Funny how removing White people off the face of the map is not worth mentioning but removing a totalitarian ideology off the face of the map is a world stopping deal.
Bob is correct, we all bleed red, its just colour and so on is simply a way to say stop making a fuss and stop objecting to mass immigration.
There is nothing to preserve b/c none of this exists.
It is also a tailgating construct. There are massive debates on youtube which have been going on for years. The racialists always win out in the end, always. I have seen all of their arguments and counter arguments. But so much time is wasted on discussion that should never be.
I would recommend watching the likes of Libertarianrealist and Fringeelements
Fringe has started saying it all and interestingly he has had very little flack. I mean down to the holocaust was propaganda. Anyway now I’m tailgating the discussion.
#5 by Gavin on 07/18/2012 - 11:33 am
We are not here to argue with these nuts. We are not here to try and prove them wrong on their points. We are here to point out that what is being done to our race is genocide. Don’t lose sight of that.
We are not trying to debunk their “race doesn’t exist” assertion.
We are pointing out that what they are doing is genocide.
#6 by six gun on 07/18/2012 - 11:50 am
We are not here to get into deep debate with the nuts.
We are here to get normal White people on our side.
John Locke “I see about 7 White people object to the mantra for every 1 White person that agrees.”
Ignore that at your peril.
We distribute propaganda. As this evolves and don’t for one minute think it will not have to evolve.
We must understand the audience.
Why does John Locke find the majority of his audience does not agree with our message?
#7 by John Locke on 07/18/2012 - 9:29 am
They are not saying genocide is impossible. They are saying the end of the White race doesn’t matter to them even it is called Genocide. They still believe Genocide by mass killings is possible.
Belief in equality is the foundation of White Genocide and most anti-Whiteism. Since the mantra doesn’t address belief in equality, I think it doesn’t wake up most White people. To asses effectiveness, notice how many posters disagree with the mantra versus how many agree.
I see about 7 White people object to the mantra for every 1 White person that agrees. It is because they believe in equality.
#8 by Jason on 07/18/2012 - 9:37 am
But if a person says races don’t exist, that implies genocide is impossible. They don’t mean to imply that, but that is the implication.
#9 by six gun on 07/18/2012 - 9:58 am
Most say genocide is possible, I’ve seen no-one actually come out with there is no such thing as genocide, they have all watched Schindler’s List.
What they mean varies.
There is no genocide actually happening.
Genocide means something different to what we [UN] say.
There are no races so genocide cannot happen on racial grounds.
There is no White race, there are Caucasians which is much more than Whites, we are just depigmented Caucasians.
Genocide of the White race isn’t important.
Genocide of the White race is important and it is very good it is happening.
Take a look at Fringe’s video on the Southern Poverty Palace people.
See what these anti-Whites are really like beneath their veneer.
I think those who support this scum would think again if they knew.
Tim Wise is from 21.50 – pure evil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnyOIarA3-Q
#10 by six gun on 07/18/2012 - 9:48 am
John Locke what is the solution?
We are not hating, we do not deny people should have “equality” and should be treated decently. We do not deny people have rights.
What we say is White people have rights in their own lands, they should have an equal chance to maintain their own race.
We need Mantra to deal with this.
#11 by Jason on 07/18/2012 - 6:43 pm
Sorry for all the posts, I don’t tailgate like this in real debate. I think I misunderstood earlier. If people say they DON’T CARE about the genocide of their own race, there may be little you can do to change their mind. Perhaps just having them repeat that and letting it lie there is the best approach. Make them expose themselves as pro-genocide and leave it at that? Just a thought.
#12 by John Locke on 07/18/2012 - 10:13 am
Sorry for posting twice, but by “belief in equality” I meant they believe that all races are equal. That is the foundation of White Genocide. That is why it doesn’t matter to them if Whites are blended out, they are simply blending with something equal to themselves.
And it doesn’t matter if all owls are equal yet they still want to save the spotted owl. They are allowed to think there is unique beauty in spotted owls. They are not allowed to think there is anything unique or worth preserving about their race.
I don’t know if there’s a solution.
#13 by Jason on 07/18/2012 - 10:24 am
I see what you mean, but I think the bottom line is, targeting a specific group in order to blend them out of existence IS genocide according to international law. And that is what matters, not their homebrewed opinions. This wiki site is actually a pretty good summary:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention#Definition_of_genocide
#14 by steadiness on 07/18/2012 - 11:35 am
To any scientifically-minded race denialist, debunking “race doesn’t exist” is as easy as looking up the principal component analysis of genomes.
Worked for me. I was *pissed* when I found out people had been lying to me all my life. The race denialists will tell you that there’s more ingroup variation than outgroup variation and they’ll even tell you that principal component analysis shows that people are scattered all over, because it’s not enough to predict based on cultural marxist beliefs, they must take their predictions and hold them up as scientific facts.
They go on and on about clines. Yes, skin color varies clinally. Race is not skin color. What is race? It’s right here in the principal component analysis: http://i.imgur.com/XXT4i.jpg
They’ll tell you that green blob is privileged, and to solve the race problem, it must be blended out of existence.
#15 by elcyCesreveR on 07/18/2012 - 11:38 am
The White Anti-Whites are in denial, they are finding out that soylent green is people!!! It’s PEOPLE!!! Once the Mantra is in their head… it’s going NOWHERE! It’s there to stay.
We do live in very Orwellian times, newspeak/doubletalk/thought crimes… they are all here
The “Race Doesn’t Matter” response is the one that really irks me.
Essentially what they are saying is “White people don’t matter”, none of the other races are facing genocide.
#16 by shari on 07/18/2012 - 12:59 pm
I imagine that we all know of someone who’s life has been severely scarred by anti-white lies. After all it doesn’t work, misegenation, non-white adoptions. There has been so much crime committed against us already that the “race doesn’t matter” line isn’t worth listening to. Just who the hell do they think they are to tell you that YOUR race doesn’t matter.
#17 by Bob on 07/18/2012 - 2:51 pm
Do Not Tailgate!