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Horus’s Open Systems Thinking

Posted by Bob on September 24th, 2012 under Coaching Session

At the convention, after we handed out the Mantra, Horus began by pointing out that “The Mantra is Open Systems thinking.”

This open systems concept of Horus is a delight to me, because I am still figuring it out.

Horus’s open system asks you to think. A closed system demands that you memorize the Correct Answers.

The closed system is Jews and Gentiles, liberals and conservatives and, above all, the idea that the basics will never change.

At the convention, the more conservative approach was taken by those who represented established internet entities like Stormfront and David Duke’s tens of millions of hits. That was the conservative side, versus our radical side in our modern parameter.horus-circle-logo610320G1-2_zpsc0ed7734

But this is what it useful for you to have, that rarest of animals, an old man who REMEMBERS the fundamental changes. As Horus pointed out, thirty years ago the idea that the CONSERVATIVE side of this discussion would be quoting practical experience with the Internet could not have been imagined.


It hasn’t been all that long since there were, now and forever, three television networks and the only “independent thought” was the publicly funded PBS.

That is as dead as network TV.

Open thinking has no trouble with this. Closed thinking cannot deal with changes like that.

Look at all the people who are screaming bloody murder because “the internet is racist.” What they mean is that the internet allows dissent on a scale that was not dreamed of in the days of network TV.

In fact, they moan the exact same words that every totalitarian has whined when the regime falls: “Anybody can just say ANYTHING”

We used to see the network anchors get together and moan about how people who were not Professional Newsmen were able to get attention. In fact, the best way to prove that a system is run by thugs is to listen to them when it falls.

Their motto is always, “Now just anybody can say just anything.” It was understood that this didn’t mean just anybody could say just anything, as Mommy Professor moans today. Mommy Professor and Stalin will allow anyone the freedom to say anything he OUGHT to be allowed to say.

So did Adolf.

They just had a closed system of freedom of speech.

So Horus’s open systems concept is alien to today’s America but would have been perfectly understood those who left America’s future to future Americans.

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  1. #1 by Jason on 09/24/2012 - 7:14 am

    Though provoking. Most of the other approaches are closed thinking. The Occidental Observer does the same Jew thing repeatedly. VDARE does a similar batch of articles over and over. David Duke tells us the Jews like power and money (wow!). Sites like Counter Currents do some Nietzschean Hitlerish thing on a repeat loop. The Turner Diaries people just like to be scary. I have yet to figure out what message Stormfront has.

    Bob has said any of us could write a speech for any Liberal or Respectable Conservative – they are utterly predictable. Well, I submit we could write an article for any of the above sites on autopilot as well.

    It’s sad to see a young person hyperventilating over the Trilateral Commission or Bilderbergers as if that wasn’t 40 years old. Or talking about the “transvaluation of all values” and how he will be an “anti-Christ”, as if that schtick wasn’t 120 years old.

    Horus is on to something. This is far more radical. This is dynamic. It adapts. It evolves. It anticipates.

  2. #2 by Jason on 09/24/2012 - 7:59 am

    By the way, in doing the Mantra, it is shocking how many Whites are in total DENIAL about what’s happening to them. I don’t just mean the Anti-Whites, but what I might call the oddly nonchalant Whites who just shrug it off, or use Orwellian terms like “hybridization of the races”. I get the whiff of real moral cowardice. It annoys them to be forced to confront genocide. It touches a nerve. All I can say is, it is great fun!

    It also proves the point said by Bob and others – you are either pro-White or anti-White. So, really those who are nonchalant about the genocide of their people, are straight up Anti-White

    • #3 by steadiness on 09/24/2012 - 3:33 pm

      “how many Whites are in total DENIAL about what’s happening”

      I know I was. I even tried to deny that ethnic cleansing was possible to deny that it was happening to my people. I felt bad every time I heard my fellow Democrats brag about how there were going to be more Hispanics and they were going to permanently win.

      Eventually, they went too far with insulting and lying about whites.

      If it wasn’t for the Internet, I would still be a Democrat, in denial about the existence of race and the possibility of genocide.

      • #4 by Jason on 09/24/2012 - 6:47 pm

        Good point. I have always been pro-White, but would not have used the term ‘genocide’ until being exposed to the Mantra. So, there are a lot of Whites out there who truly unaware of what is happening to their people. Also, most of them have never been taught to be loyal to their people. In fact, from the time they were little kids, every tactic has been used to attack their natural feelings of loyalty.

        Loyalty is a concept that needs to be rehabilitated. We need to bring back use of the term ‘traitor’ as well.

  3. #5 by Epiphany on 09/24/2012 - 8:27 am

    Yes, Open System Thinking sounds rather fascinating. I wonder if any can teach me how to do it too?

  4. #6 by Vale on 09/24/2012 - 9:39 am

    @ Epiphany,

    Do Beefcake’s Bootcamp:

    It’ll soon become second nature to you.

  5. #7 by shari on 09/24/2012 - 9:42 am

    I don’t think you can be directly taught, open system thinking. You have to learn it for yourself, by paying attention. Keep paying attention.

  6. #8 by Karlfried on 09/24/2012 - 10:08 am

    To Jason #2
    “…I get the whiff of real moral cowardice. It annoys them to be forced to confront genocide. It touches a nerve…“

    I see the world to be similar to a big game. In this game, 98% of people do never speak, whatever will happen. They always are adapting to the ruling power. But those people are not our enemies, they are people of our blood, they form 98% of the German people.

    They are overcautious. They always want to stay in the middle, so that they are not in danger.
    They speak nothing about our people-being-murdered-out-of-existence, why? Because they are afraid, if they speak, they will be in the out-group, they will be in the minority, they will get social disadvantages. And this fear of the here-and-now social disadvantages is more important to those people than the (perhaps, in the future) vanishing of our race. How can you get the ear and the heart of such people? Not by logic, not be showing the obvious, because these things are all well known, but the people do not like to hear or see it, because of their inner fear.

    An example how to use this existing inner fear:
    There is a conversation in Germany at a party. The other person says something slightly positive or neutral about immigration. This person things, that he is on save ground saying so, because this position is the official one in television and newspapers. Now comes my role in this comedy. I tell him (with a sorrowful face to strengthen the words): “Be careful with such extremistic sayings. 15 years ago saying so was all right, but nowadays things have changed, most people do not say such things anymore.” At this point the conversation can change to have another topic. I have acheived my goal.

    The other person is much to fearfull for standing up and openly changing his opinion.
    But inside he knows, that times have changed, that he has to adopt to the new line, that
    the old “what-can-I-openly-say-without-disadvantages-for-me”-Rules have gone. And now he has a new and strong fear, the fear to loose the contact to the new main line. And than he will come to our side, as soon as he has the feeling that he is on the winner´s side. Those people live their live along their fears and the stronger and now-and-here fear will win over the less strong fear.

    There is no need to convince these people, they will come to the winner-side anyhow.
    They are not the enemy but a neutral mass.
    What I did show above is only one example. We need thousands of such tools in the work for the survival of our race. This tools can be standardized. “Bob´s mantra “ is the always appearing sentence in all these conversations.

  7. #9 by Sentinel on 09/24/2012 - 12:14 pm

    We always hear drones whining of “White Privilege.”

    The real problem is ANTI-White Privilege – a privilege bestowed upon anti-Whites everywhere by the Church of PC to promote the genocide of our race at every turn.

  8. #10 by BGLass on 09/24/2012 - 12:31 pm

    They say the Germanic mind is more ‘logical,’ a stereotype, but there may be truth in it— and with that old situation of 3 channels, and the u.s. population having so much German blood, probably many spent whole wasted lives just trying to figure out the system they were living in (an impossibility given the information available to them).

    Only 3 channels around a population hardwired for Logic would drive them crazy, putting them into circular thinking and a world of unanswerables.

    Plus more logical people, capable of Open Concept Thinking won’t have kids until they know they can care for them (including understanding how to teach them about the world we’re in—impossible if they have only 3 tv channels. If the future looks bleak, given the information they have, and a chance the kids would just be like slaves, it might seem better not to have them.

    Maybe internet will positively affect the white birth rate, since people will at least feel they have a better handle on the System.

  9. #11 by Wm White on 09/24/2012 - 1:36 pm

    ‘Mantra Thinking’ says that the more any answer can be explained as the most convenient one, the more certain it is to be a lie. Example: The end of every TV Documentary consists of “The Sermon” –it explains how all the information given can be rammed into a Politically Correct context. –Bob Whitaker explaining a closed propaganda system, (my opinion)

    Anti-whites are constantly using Scientific news as a closed system of information. They speak about ‘Gene Alleles,’ and ‘MtDNA Haplogroup’ descriptions to justify the false agenda of: “there is no such thing as white people, they are just a social construct.”

    Anti-whites spout their superficial scientific jargon, as if this new scientific field (Genomics) is as stable and unchanging as the laws of gravity. Science is a constantly self-correcting system of trying to understand stuff –it is an open system; which is its strength. Our strength is using Mantra thinking as an open system, to combat the ‘white genocidal’ closed system policies of our antagonist.
    Aside example response: Why do some scientist try to justify white genocide by (fill-in-the-blank).
    P.S. ALERT: the new Internet2, already sanctioned by Universities, Colleges, Corporations and the Government, promises to replace the present internet. It touts faster speeds and other Sheeple loving glitz and glimmer. The problem is it will pull the iron curtain of CENSORSHIP over our present Internet system.

  10. #12 by shari on 09/24/2012 - 2:09 pm

    It wasn’t only 3 channels, Lass. There have also been endless years of educational propaganda. Followed by endless years of swimming to pay bills,taxes, and get your children “educated.” Or for some, finding a nice cushy place in the system.
    I think Karlfried’s point about the “times, they are a changin” a good one.

  11. #13 by Jason on 09/24/2012 - 6:19 pm

    Somewhat related: This Wikipedia entry for “moral entrepreneurs” sounds a bit related to what we are doing. An excerpt:

    A moral entrepreneur is an individual, group or formal organization that seeks to influence a group to adopt or maintain a norm. Moral entrepreneurs are those who take the lead in labeling a particular behavior and spreading or popularizing this label throughout society.

  12. #14 by Jason on 09/24/2012 - 8:50 pm

    I am noticing many Anti-Whites getting more open about wanting Whites wiped out, when I do the Mantra. As the number of non-Whites grow, the Anti-Whites are getting more confident. This is what we want them to do: Admit publicly they want White Genocide.

    To my non-expert ears, this sounds like something that comes not too long before a tipping point. The other side gets over-confident and tips their hand. If Obama wins, I suspect Anti-Whites will get cockier. The Dems won’t need White votes as much going forward (in their mind). If Romney somehow wins, it will be by a massively lopsided White vote. Either way, the next 4 years should be pivotal, in my opinion (which is worth what you paid for it).

    • #15 by Gavin on 09/24/2012 - 10:14 pm

      I think over confidence is something that we (or at least I) have to worry about more than anything. I have noticed that there are actually not that many anti-Whites at all left online for me to argue with so I am prone to just wander off on strange tangents.

      • #16 by Sentinel on 09/25/2012 - 1:22 am

        Anti-White replies are constantly stacking up in my inbox.

        From my observation, I’d have to agree with Jason that they are becoming more brazen and willing to openly call for genocide of our people.

        The tipping point has to be getting close. How close is up to us!

        • #17 by Gavin on 09/25/2012 - 2:10 am

          I am very hesitant to bring up the Jewish thing but I think this is an important experience to relate. I had a Jewish anti-White admit to it say that he did it because “you tried to kill us” and posted a picture of the holocaust. Meaning that he blames me, a White guy born in Canada in the 1980’s for what some guy in Germany did in the 1930’s…just because I happen to be the same race as that guy.

          My entire life I have been terrorized by these people. I had to hear the most vicious and cruel things said about my race and watch as were were being destroyed and the people doing it bragged about it. I personally never did anything to them yet just because I happen to be the same race as some guy they hate they took their anger out on me. It’s almost incomprehensible that this kind of evil actually exists in the world.

          What’s worse than being racially attacked like this for my entire childhood is that almost no adult ever stood up to these people, in fact quite a few of them joined in. Not once did any of them say “Hey maybe telling White kids that their race is evil isn’t a nice thing to do.” The few guys like Paul Fromm or Bob that did stand up to them were viciously attacked for doing so.

          • #18 by OldBlighty on 09/25/2012 - 5:24 am

            So you are saying all the pogroms and expulsions of the last 2000 years, made Jews anti-white?

            A BUGSer asks:
            Why do only white people have a problem with racial treason and why didn’t our side, do something about white anti-whites, decades ago?

            No white traitors, no problems with white hating jews, blacks, asians, indians, etc.

            As for some anti-white coming out and Justifying genocide against whites in public, that only proves what we are saying is true.

            Don’t complain when an enemy is making a mistake.

            • #19 by Jason on 09/25/2012 - 6:04 am

              Absolutely, I think it is great the Anti-Whites are getting more brazen, we need to encourage that. And yes, without White traitors, the Anti-Whites who are non-White never would have had a chance.

              Bob made a point like that a while back. A non-White is is Anti-White is your declared enemy. Okay, you know how to handle him. But it is the traitor in your midst who deserves the most severe reaction – the White Anti-Whites (at least that is my opinion). The guy who was supposed to be loyal to you.

          • #20 by Jason on 09/25/2012 - 6:05 am

            I felt every word you said. None of us had the defenders we should have had growing up. We are changing that for future generations.

  13. #21 by Vale on 09/25/2012 - 6:35 am

    Bob’s mantra is an amazing tool. It forces people (like me) to focus on what is important, instead of allowing anti-Whites to DRAW YOU down some winding path or other. Before I used Bob’s mantra, debating with anti-Whites always ended in complicated, inconclusive exchanges. That’s what happens when you play by the anti-White rulebook – you fail, and even if you succeed you’re point is lost in a sea of words (which nobody will read).

    Anti-Whites WANT discussions to wander around everywhere. But the mantra (and talking points) just keeps bringing the subject back to what’s important. And as a bonus, mantra points hangs flashing lights on blatant anti-White double standards.

    I’ve found many white sleepers are disturbed by the idea that there is a racial double standard going on. Many have never seen things from this perspective before – and they are shocked by what they see.

    Bob’s mantra really is a gift which keeps on giving. It prevents us normal Whites from defeating ourselves through “cleverness”, it causes cognitive dissonance and re-evaluation in sleepers, and it drives anti-Whites nuts!

    I’m so glad I took the time to come here and “unlearn”. Thank you Bob, BUGSters.

    • #22 by Sentinel on 10/02/2012 - 5:43 pm

      Well said. You nailed it. Every new BUGSter would do well to understand these points.

  14. #23 by Jmcaul on 10/02/2012 - 1:51 pm

    If there is such a thing as an age reversal/immortality drug or treatment developed, I vote Bob to be the first recipient. His experience, memory and insights border on the divine. I hope his human side does not become vain over this (I’m not TOO worried though, I have a feeling he is rather inured to that temptation at this point.)

  15. #24 by Jmcaul on 10/02/2012 - 4:01 pm

    steadiness :
    “how many Whites are in total DENIAL about what’s happening”
    I know I was.

    Same here Steadiness, in my case it was due to the reality being SO overwhelming and frightening to face without a clear cut weapon, or ‘way out’ of the closed system. Horus has spoken about how this demoralization works (and can be destroyed) EXTENSIVELY in his free podcasts. Bob has given us the ‘war decisive’ weapon in the mantra. It was only when I found the Mantra and then started listening to H. Avengers free podcasts, that I was willing to fully face white genocide, because it was only then that I knew we could (AND WOULD!) WIN THIS THING, and what I could do to support it! (adopt Mantra thinking, post and comment wherever and whenever the opportunity presents itself, etc.)

    I envision a world where white children have been living in safety and freedom for CENTURIES and where the stories are handed down from generation to generation of the White Knight, Sir Bob and his trusty partner Sir Horus the Avenger who led an army of BUGS-ers and white forefathers (and mothers, US) to final victory over the Red Hippo and delivered our people into the safety and abundance of a truly open system in every respect.

  16. #25 by Jmcaul on 10/04/2012 - 3:13 pm

    I really don’t think we can ever appreciate ENOUGH the ability to develop and operate in open systems. Conversely I really don’t think we can ever appreciate ENOUGH our ability to BREAK OUT of closed systems. Here is an EXCELLENT example of more White Rabbits creating an open system in order to open ANOTHER system:!
    White rabbits: enjoy!

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