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A Little Less Respectability, a Little More Guts

Posted by Bob on October 13th, 2013 under Coaching Session

I am getting mail about which anti-White Genocidists BUGSERS should march with. Some of our miniscule band are worried about our “image.”

William Rusher told me that when the National Review building in New York was being built around 1954, George Lincoln Rockwell was there almost every day, lending a hand! The NR crowd, which had not weeded out the Acceptable anti-liberals yet, even agreed to debate with him about Jews.

They made an appointment to debate with him in return for his services, but they sent an archbishop to the restaurant. To me that was the first demonstration of respectable conservative courage.Image Hosted by

If I had accepted a man’s help and promised to argue with him, I would be honor-bound to give him the promised debate man-to-man. But manhood is banned among respectables.

I am not a Leader. I give opinions. My stand has already been expressed to Jimmy Marr: He took our message to a march with Nazis and Confederates because he couldn’t take them anywhere else where there was publicity.

I would suggest a few signs that say, “Are only Nazis against White Genocide?”

But let me remind you WHY only the swastika and open Confederate flag wavers and Jimmy get on the news: They are the only ones with the guts TO GET OUT THERE.

People who don’t have the guts to post the Mantra in bathroom stalls do not make revolutions.

But if you aren’t out there with a sign saying “Are only Nazis against White Genocide?” why are you doing saying it to ME?

  1. #1 by Asgardian on 10/13/2013 - 11:09 am

    It is well documented that I was not on board with our message being associated with swastikas and the Confederate flag, not because I detest the symbols but for the simple fact that I was concerned about how it would be precieved.

    I thought how could we still claim ourselves to be “normal white people” if nazis were quoting OUR talking points.

    Then I caught myself and reazlied THEY ARE NORMAL WHITE PEOPLE….that have been demonized for having the same beliefs that we have.

    So what the hell? If these ppl are willing to use OUR message than for christ sakes lets support them.

    I mean, they only call them NAZIS becauese they are white NO ONE CALLS MEXICANS NAZIS FOR SUPPORTING TOTAL NEVER ENDING AMNESTY……right?

    • #2 by StopWhiteGeNOcide on 10/13/2013 - 6:16 pm

      Tim Wise gloats about Genocide for Whites in America here:

      Tim Wise – An Open Letter to White People

      I also understand Tim Wise was on Twitter recently, telling his people to kill those that support the 2nd amendment.

      And when Mathew Heimbach’s group was attacked with deadly weapons at a recent protest, Tim Wise did not condemn the attackers, he congratulated them.

      Now for my question, if the left don’t care about respectability, why should we?

      • #3 by Jason on 10/13/2013 - 6:49 pm

        It’s not NeoNazis lack of “respectability” that bothers me. It’s their ineffectiveness. William Pierce (who I don’t put on any pedestal) called them losers and blamed them for a lot of his problems at the end. Was he right? Not sure, but he bought that Resistance Records things and found the skinheads absolutely impossible to work with. Immature drunks.

        I have never interacted with one who wasn’t a prick with impulse control issues. Have you?

        Name one who hasn’t come off like a prick from the beginning. Name one that doesn’t act like a low level union bully thug TOWARD OTHER WHITES. Now, I know that isn’t important if they can be used.

        Just keep it in perspective is all I ask.

        • #4 by StopWhiteGeNOcide on 10/13/2013 - 6:56 pm

          My suggestion: As a White Genocide activist, think of yourself as a party crasher.

          The best you can hope for from other dissent groups is ‘Watered-down Whitaker’. This I have learned the hard way.

          Do not ally with them. Do not try to help them improve their image, just crash their parties.

          White Genocide activism is rude.

        • #5 by Daniel Genseric on 10/15/2013 - 2:45 am


          I have a bone to pick with you and your messaging on BUGS as of late.

          Earlier this year you whined that “Not-see’s won’t use our message. They are ignoring the only effective propaganda in the pro-white marketplace.” Now, they start using our message and you’re still pissed. Talk about malcontents. Be consistent, Jason. Either you want everyone and their mommy to use the Mantra or you don’t.

          Essentially what you wrote above can be summarized as, “Whites are to be used whenever possible.”

          You’re DEAD wrong, sir. Our race, the WHITE race, is to be conserved, our women preserved, and our children SAVED. So, stop with your bullshit.

          • #6 by Henry Davenport on 10/15/2013 - 7:34 pm


            I have a bone to pick with you and your messaging on BUGS as of late.

            You’re willing to use White people, but not willing to abuse them. So when you have disagreements with people here, please sprinkle your comments with phrases like “stop with your bullshit.” It helps work through problems more quickly, builds morale, and attracts warrior types to the site.

          • #7 by Jason on 10/15/2013 - 7:52 pm

            I have no clue what you are saying, except it is more of your tiresome defense of skinheads.

            • #8 by Daniel Genseric on 10/15/2013 - 8:29 pm

              “It’s their [“Nazis”] ineffectiveness [that bothers Jason].” – Jason

              “It seems like most of these [Not-see]groups would never use any of our terminology if we weren’t working hard to sell them on it. They put up massive resistance to it in almost every case.” – Jason

              “Now, I know that isn’t important if they [WHITE not-sees] can be used.” – Jason

              You said you don’t have a problem USING people to spread the message. OUR PEOPLE ON OUR TEAM ARE NOT TO BE “USED”. Got it? Is that dumb enough for you? Got loyalty?

              You said they [Nazis] don’t use Mantra terminology and are “ineffective.” Then, the not-sees let Jimmy come through to put on a demo. YOU get pissed and pout in the corner. The questions are pretty simple and quite frankly you couldn’t be more wrong about all of it, Jason. So, what gives?

              Now, it’s as if your condemnation and contradictions never even happened and/or my criticism is suddenly incomprehensible. How… Innnnn-teresting….

              Tell me more about how the Mantra is good for “these people”, but not ‘THOSE’ people…. I hear TOO calling, they want us to return their ELITErespectablewhofancysthesightofhisownreflection.

              • #9 by Daniel Genseric on 10/15/2013 - 8:32 pm

                It’s spelled M-A-N-T-R-A



              • #10 by Henry Davenport on 10/15/2013 - 9:02 pm

                Come on Daniel, there’s no need for bugsters to insult each other just because we disagree. Jason is just as dedicated to trying to do this the right way as you or any of us are. He’s done good work bringing up important considerations that go against the majority feeling here. He deserves credit and group support for that, not insults.

                I think you’re reading too much into his use of the word “use.” But even if I’m mistaken, it’s no call to try to tear him a new one. We’re all each other’s comrades-in-arms here, and should treat each other that way. For many reasons, all of which have to do with the success of our work.

                • #11 by Daniel Genseric on 10/17/2013 - 7:31 am

                  If you don’t see how I am trying to help him by pointing out bleedingly obvious contradictions, then forget about it.

                  This energy MUST be leveraged. It will be, and it should be us on the lever.

              • #12 by Jason on 10/16/2013 - 12:20 am

                Why wouldn’t we use them for something good if possible?
                NOTE to ALL: pardon the hijack, Jason. Nesting is not functioning well with this many comments for some reason I can’t comprehend. Jason’s is at least a comment that seemed to work correctly.

                You may notice that 10/14 comments began pushing down older 10/13 comments days ago. Nesting new comments below specific comments on comments does appear to be working. Some, like HD’s #45, are completely out of order. My tests fell under his.

                May have to break down and get a new, updated theme so all will work mostly as it should. Please put any suggestions into the TECH forum.

                • #13 by Daniel Genseric on 10/17/2013 - 7:17 am

                  See, that’s your problem. And if my pointing out an ERROR to you or anyone is insulting, then I guess I’m a regular a-hole.

                  But I digress, we are not USING but WORKING with them toward a COMMON goal. That doesn’t mean we must agree on everything.

                  • #14 by Jason on 10/17/2013 - 9:32 am

                    I can see how my use of the term “use” sounds bad. I don’t mean it as in “use up and throw away”. Maybe a better way is to say “leverage”.

                    I want any White group to be able to live free and express themselves as they please, including skinheads, whether I agree with them or not. The only group of Whites that are an exception to that rule for me are Anti-White traitors.

      • #15 by pragmatic on 10/15/2013 - 12:55 am

        The left can get away with things like that all day to thunderous applause from the gang on top now politically, in the priesthood and in the following of political correctness. It drives normal whites mad though and that is just what we need right now. Courage will start to take hold more and more in the generation which has been young enough to miss the thinking of the WW2 generation and old enough to have seen the hand of the social programmers destroying us, but mainly destroying decency. We whites just happen to tend toward being the decent people in any society so in many ways they are one in the same.
        So, if we did what Tim Wise did, which is what he wants, they would do the usual thing which is to point their established assault profiles at us and use guilt by association to try to keep innocent people down in a sense of collective guilt.
        Our goal is not to be respectable, that just means providing cover for the left, ours is to introduce a dissonant wave into the enemies frequency to jam it and eventually reverse it. We are here to give those who are driven mad by the anti-whites something to say back to tear down their PC system.

      • #16 by -daedalus- on 10/17/2013 - 11:39 am

        For the record. And to help ‘us’.

        LOOK at Mr Wise’s site

        He IS the definition of ‘respectability. His group DEFINES it and goes by it. They are not peeing their

        My intent is to crack the comments section of the
        site. Why? Many, many White Men and White Women
        take him as ‘brilliant’. He is the trash to take out.

    • #17 by StopWhiteGeNOcide on 10/13/2013 - 6:33 pm

      Has the left condemned and ostracized Tim Wise? Were his $6000 speaking engagements canceled?

  2. #18 by Daniel Genseric on 10/13/2013 - 11:29 am


    I’m not even going to give you MY excuse for failing to ‘get out there’ and stand next to Craig or Mr. Marr because that is all it would be. Fear of personal economic reprisal, government watch lists, death threats against your loved ones, etc…; that’s enough to create a political hermit out of your most fierce pro-white.

    I want to let you know how HARD you make me laugh some times. Your uncanny ability to state the obvious and often brutal truth on any topic is simply unparalleled. I try to emulate this quality every fucking day of my life and I always come up short.

    Thank you for your unbridled honesty. Thank you for the message. Most importantly, thanks for being you.

    People who don’t have the guts to post the Mantra in bathroom stalls do not make revolutions.

    But if you aren’t out there with a sign saying “Are only Nazis against White Genocide?” what are you doing saying it to ME?

  3. #19 by Gar5 on 10/13/2013 - 12:13 pm

    Our goal, in my opinion, is not to have an image; it’s to get those groups which do, to discuss White genocide.

  4. #20 by StopWhiteGeNOcide on 10/13/2013 - 12:28 pm

    “Are only Nazis against White Genocide?”


  5. #21 by Simon on 10/13/2013 - 12:35 pm

    Liberal anti-whites have no hestiation in making alliances with Communist anti-whites where it serves their anti-white genocidial purposes. They do not fret whether their enemies might report them of being ‘linked’ to each other.

    Pro-whites are frantically concerned about appearing respectable and not being linked to anything ‘toxic’ and so are tempted to shun and denounce other pro-whites. The only problem is that ‘respectability’ is only something granted by anti-whites and they dangle it infront of pro-whites in order to divide and conquer.

    And guess what even if you try your best to ‘unlink’ yourself from the white nationalist scene the anti-whites are going to link you with them anyway. Its a shell game! Remember the SPLC article which tried to link BUGs to murder – you couldn’t make it up!

    As Bob mentioned the unfortunate reality is that these groups we are invited to shun are the only ones who have boots on the ground and are willing to spread the mantra.

    • #22 by Henry Davenport on 10/13/2013 - 4:54 pm

      “…‘respectability’ is only something granted by anti-whites and they dangle it in front of pro-whites in order to divide and conquer.”

      Good point.

  6. #23 by LinuxLewis on 10/13/2013 - 12:36 pm

    It doesn’t matter WHAT you say if you are white and looking out for the interests of your people.

    by default we are going to be called names like Nazi White Supremacist Xenophobic Racists that HATE everyone who is non-white.

    What they are ACTUALLY doing is giving the people THEY hate a moral high ground… bad move on their part

  7. #24 by Undercover Lover on 10/13/2013 - 1:02 pm

    So… What you’re saying here is that… we should write the mantra in bathroom stalls… ok.

    But seriously. I don’t know why there are people here concerned about image so much. This is about spreading a message. The more people using our words, the better, period. Image is only a concern for individuals, not messages.

    Even if we were going to betray fellow pro-whites, what would we do? Ask them to stop using our stuff? That’ll probably make them use it more. There’s NOTHING you can do. You mind as well be an ANTI-WHITE trying to get whites to stop using our message. There’s NOTHING they can do.

    If you are so concerned about crazies, don’t worry. Anders Breivik KILLED a bunch of people and yet right wing groups are still growing in europe. If anti-whites can’t stop non-message pro-whites with that propaganda gift, then they sure as hell can’t stop on-message pro-whites without that propaganda gift.

    Besides in anti-white eyes, we are ALL “nazi’swhowantokill6millionjews.” Are you really going to buy into their bullshit and start condemning the guy beside you? That’s what THEY are supposed to do. Not us.

  8. #25 by Jason on 10/13/2013 - 5:15 pm

    Well if NR didn’t want to debate GLR, maybe they shouldn’t have accepted his help in the first place. Isn’t THAT the real issue? They wanted help but didn’t really want to be associated with him.

    So they should have turned down the help.

  9. #26 by Asgardian on 10/13/2013 - 5:47 pm

    “Help them” means lets not have Knee jerk reactions the way I did and admonish their use of our talking points.

  10. #27 by Jason on 10/13/2013 - 7:21 pm

    What Jimmy has done is fantastic, but what does this line mean, Bob?

    My stand has already been expressed to Jimmy Marr: He took our message to a march with Nazis and Confederates because he couldn’t take them anywhere else where there was publicity.

    Why is that true? The most effective PR Jimmy got was the overpass banner. That was not at skinhead really. If someone is going to do public demonstrations, it’s not like the ONLY cameras on earth are at Klan rallies.

    In fact, the sheer shock of seeing a pro-White message in an unexpected place seems to have more impact than being at a predictable place.

    Now, if you need help doing the banner, and the ONLY help you can get is Neo Nazis, well then you have to use your judgement. But I can’t see that the only place on earth to get seen is at Klan rallies

  11. #28 by seriouswon on 10/13/2013 - 7:46 pm

    WHO is always telling us to worry about our image. I would say it is the “respectables”.

    Well the respectables sometimes seem like the ones making all the dough and getting all the respect but with all due respect, how many articles do we need to prove dat “da jews be bad” and “blacks be violent”? I think we’ve hit the saturation point on that stuff.

    I even question their motive sometimes. I mean, if we solved the genocide problem, what would the respectables do for a living?

    I resent people looking down on our foot soldiers. They are our blood relatives and if they are dysfunctional it is, in many cases, because our respectables have sold them down the river and they have nothing to lose.

    I am glad they have taken up the Mantra. Isn’t that just what we need, for people everywhere to take up the Mantra??

    • #29 by Jason on 10/13/2013 - 7:54 pm

      This isn’t about a concern with “respectability. Anti-Whites aren’t telling us to be worried about association with swastikas. They WANT us to be associated with them.

    • #30 by Jason on 10/13/2013 - 8:14 pm

      Now, am I supposed to think of people like David Lane as a “dissident” who had him some big ol’ balls? He was just a thug and a murderer.

      Then I better really be impressed by Charles Manson. Come on, those guys aren’t even pro-White in any serious way. They are just attention seeking narcissistic thugs. Yet I hear NSMers defending David Lane and wanting their Mommy to see them dressed up like scary-warry Nazis.

      I mean come on. What is the real history of these “dissidents”? They end up assassinating each other half the time. They are more dangerous to each other than anyone else. Hell, one who runs a big website actually tried to take over a country in his youth. LOL LOL. I mean, is this a trip through the psych ward?

      I don’t expect anyone to agree with me, but I challenge the idea that these are “dissidents” or that they are really even pro-White.

  12. #31 by Hexadecimator777 on 10/13/2013 - 8:29 pm

    Simon is 100% correct. Look at all the Che shirts and red stars w/ clenched fists that Antifas always like to wear. And NOBODY (WNs notwithstanding) even calls them out on their associations with Stalinism. It’s always forgotten amidst the noise these idiots make over White Privilege and ‘racial discrimination.’ I don’t think it’ll be any different once the boot is on the other foot.

    • #32 by Jason on 10/13/2013 - 8:43 pm

      OBJECTIVELY you are right, it is no different to wear a hammer and sickle than a swastika. Well actually, the swastika is superior, if we are talking OBJECTIVELY. Communists killed 100 million in the 20th century.

      But we aren’t just talking about what is right and wrong in some objective Platonic realm. We are also talking about SOCIAL REALITY.

      Yeah, if we could all wear a swastika or a Hitler shirt with the same ease they wear Che shirts, we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place, would we? But the other side has dropped a trillion dollars of programing against us. I thought the whole point of BUGS was to get around that programming, not get buried by it.

      My other issue is that Neo Nazis have a much worse history than actual Nazis. I don’t mean just their “image”, because I know how much you all want to prove you ain’t concerned with being RESPECTABLE (good for you, here’s a cookie).

      • #33 by Daniel Genseric on 10/13/2013 - 9:19 pm

        The POINT of this seminar is to take our enemy’s energy and use it against them.

        You’re already a “NAZI!”, Jason. Just ask any anti-white if you have doubts.

        Can you work with that or not?

        • #34 by Daniel Genseric on 10/13/2013 - 9:29 pm

          Two answers to this question of “Nazi support” have been given. You’re smart, try your own.

          “Where else was Jimmy Marr supposed to protest white genocide?”

          “Are only Nazis against White Genocide?”

        • #35 by Jason on 10/13/2013 - 9:37 pm

          Well since I am pro-White, how could I be a Nazi?

          Now, if you are asking if I can handle name calling, yes I can.

          • #36 by Daniel Genseric on 10/15/2013 - 2:33 am

            How could you NOT be a notsee? That’s how they think, Jason.

  13. #37 by The Asgardian known as Michael on 10/13/2013 - 8:49 pm

    Jason thry call us nazis anyways.

    • #38 by Jason on 10/13/2013 - 9:38 pm

      Pimps call women “bitches and whores” all day, that doesn’t mean every woman should refer to herself as such.

      • #39 by -daedalus- on 10/14/2013 - 6:35 pm

        A point, maybe not ‘the’ point, is
        that currently the media is controlled by Anti-Whites.
        And as we may have noticed, they write the dictionaries. And assign associations.
        Irrespective of your demeanor, etc., when you cross a demarcation line, you become assigned a label. If you resist the elimination of the White race, you are a Nazi. A Racist – talk about scary. And probably an anti-semite.
        You, and me, ultimately have to take experimental actions and figure out how to live through the anticipated barrage.
        When ‘We’ have a portal such as Google or Yahoo, with our ‘editors’ prettying things up, then all will see different things.

        Meanwhile, you can not sneak up on them. They know you are secretly a Nazi. Because you won’t accept the evil of being a White Man.

  14. #40 by Mimmy Jarr on 10/13/2013 - 9:41 pm

    I missed a damn good opportunity in my interview with Nicole Comstock the other day.

    She said “The SPLC says Bob Whitaker is a White supremacist”.

    I should have said “He may be, but anti-racist is still a code word for anti-White”.

    But no, I leapt on her tailgate.

    Mistakes are painful, but they beat hunkering down.

  15. #41 by Mimmy Jarr on 10/13/2013 - 11:21 pm

    “Why is that true? The most effective PR Jimmy got was the overpass banner. That was not at skinhead really.”

    Read carefully, Jason, because I’m going to tell you the truth.

    I couldn’t have done the big banner without the help of some guys who, regardless of what epithet we apply to them, are not respectable to the general public.

    “I can’t see that the only place on earth to get seen is at Klan rallies”.

    You’re absolutely right, but it IS the most likely place to meet people who might be willing, on another occasion, to help you with a project that respectables would have nothing to do with.

    It’s a trade off. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose.

    I’m not saying this is a universally good strategy, but it’s obvious from this one occasion that it CAN pay off.

    How many times did I foul out before I hit one home run?

    I don’t even like to think about it.

    • #42 by Jason on 10/14/2013 - 12:06 am

      Well the guys who helped you did a good thing for sure. They must be pretty decent guys.

      I’m aware that I have a bias, I dislike Neo Nazis. I don’t mean the ideology or whatever, I mean THEM.

      I don’t dislike them for fear of being called a Nazi. I don’t dislike them because I crave respectability.

      I dislike Neo Nazis the way someone who once gave them a chance would dislike them. I am TIRED of them. That may not be mature of me, but there it is. LOL.

      I don’t dislike them for being “low class” (whatever that means). It’s that I don’t find them, in general, to be good people. Too much gang mentality that strikes me as not even really pro-White. And so many have been gov’t informers or criminals of some type.

      That’s my bias. I freely admit it. I have no problem with anyone working with them to hang a sign. I’d rather not see Mantra phrases with swastikas all over it, or with some guy dressed up like a military commander, but maybe it doesn’t matter. I just suspect that no one sees the message at that moment (especially in the US or UK).

      And the truth is, I am finding I don’t like many “pro-White” leaders outside of BUGS anywhere.

      • #43 by Jason on 10/14/2013 - 12:21 am

        Grrr, what I meant to say, was that I had found them NOT to be good people in the past. My edit function isn’t working.

        And by the way, I don’t blame anyone for getting whatever tattoos they need to get to survive in prison.

  16. #44 by Mimmy Jarr on 10/13/2013 - 11:45 pm

    • #45 by Jason on 10/14/2013 - 12:18 am

      Very nice video, thanks. And a great looking group of people by the way.

  17. #46 by -cecilhenry- on 10/13/2013 - 11:55 pm

    You can’t have an image that turns people off or generates dislike BEFORE they even hear the message.

    Don’t give people an excuse to turn their minds off or set off their associated prejudices.

    That’s why a certain respectability is important.

    I have family members who care more about ‘respectability’ than any truth.

    Give them a way to be pro-white, and respectable at the same time and they will begin to act.

    Their courage comes from believing their status is not threatened by being pro white.

    Sadly, most of the time it is only AFTER they realize their status has been destroyed that they will then begin to act. Which is why the so called liberal is always an irrational zealot, first for one side, then for the other.

  18. #47 by Simon on 10/14/2013 - 5:30 am

    cecilhenry said ‘Give them a way to be pro-white, and respectable at the same time and they will begin to act.’

    This is the reason why BUGS adopts the anonomous model of spreading the mantra. I’ve always viewed the pro-white movement as more of an Iceberg. With a little bit of ice floating on the surface, representing the public activism, and a massive chunk of ice under the waves which exists untapped on the internet under 10,000 usernames.

    It is strategies like BUGs which taps at the ice below the waterline. The part of the ice incidentaly that sunk the unsinkable Titanic.

  19. #48 by Jason on 10/14/2013 - 8:07 am

    I was a bit combative and I apologize for that. Getting over a bad cold and also feeling frustrated, not mainly with pro-Whites, or Neos or non-Whites, but with Regular Whites, who never seem to have our backs, and force us to make all these calculations because they wilt when straight up truth is told to them.

    It’s not the Anti-Whites name calling that bothers me. It’s the fact that the very people we are trying to help let us twisted in the wind so often.

  20. #49 by Mimmy Jarr on 10/14/2013 - 8:39 am

    “It’s not the Anti-Whites name calling that bothers me. It’s the fact that the very people we are trying to help let us twist in the wind so often.”

    Doesn’t that make them anti-Whites by definition?

    Sometimes I think we don’t take our own message seriously.

    Ours is not a choice between respectability and non-respectability. It’s a choice between respectability and non-existence.

    Una Salus Victis Nullam Sperare Salutem

  21. #51 by Simmons on 10/14/2013 - 10:38 am

    Self centeredness and comfort zones are issues with our side. Outside of our little group the only progress I have seen from our allies is that of a person who thinks they are being left behind, especially true of the intellectuals.

  22. #52 by Bob on 10/14/2013 - 11:15 am

    Do you have to misquote me to disagree with me?
    I did NOT say that Nazis had guts or were nice guys to work with.
    SPLC can quote YOU!
    Gee, thanks a lot, gang.

    • #53 by Jason on 10/14/2013 - 8:13 pm

      That was probably me, sorry. I have a low grade fever and wasn’t at my best.

      When you said we needed less respectability and more guts, I misunderstood and then was sloppy in my reply.

      If the sysop wants to remove my comment, feel free. [GONE]

  23. #54 by The Asgardian known as Michael on 10/14/2013 - 12:41 pm

    Coach, I dont quite understand your statement.

  24. #55 by GregP on 10/14/2013 - 5:01 pm

    Trillions of dollars have been spent by the elites in anti-White campaigns. They own the media and maintain a regime-sanctioned status where they don’t need to distance or distinguish themselves from their extremes and crazies. Their media simply won’t show what their nuts do or say. It is implied. They use them to their advantage by default

    We don’t have that luxury.

    Bob has made some VERY good points about pro-Whites seeking “respectability,” however, that does NOT mean that we should completely throw out all concern with image and perception.

    I worked in advertising for a while, and I can tell you that image and perception are very important. Not to people who want status but to people who want to SELL things, ideas, and concepts.

    We don’t need to condemn neo-nazis or other allegedly pro-White groups/personalities, but we do not need to support or get mixed up with them either. If they start using BUGS terminology and talking points, fine. It could be good, could be bad, but either way we have no control over it.

    Anti-Whites don’t distinguish between us and mentally unstable, criminally violent and impulsive nutcases who describe themselves as neo-Nazi/Klan members. But that does NOT mean WE shouldn’t.

    Throwing good judgement to the wind in some attempt to prove how much you don’t care about being a “respectable” pro-White is just plain stupid.

    What we should do is use our common sense and trust our guts on who we personally get involved with. I think it would be a horrible idea for BUGS as a whole to just accept ANYONE willing stand up for White people as “pro-White” and be done with it.

    There a reason we don’t obsess about Jews, denigrate or use derogatory expletives targeting non-Whites or promote genocide of other races (!!!) when spreading our message. If a BUGSer was doing that, we would probably ban them as an anti-White infiltrator. So why in the world would we think it’s a good idea to start compromising the basic rules of engagement that make up an integral part of the foundation upon which we operate?

    We should not worry about condemning or apologizing for neo-Nazi nuts, Klan members, or those posing as pro-Whites, but we should not praise or get too involved with those poisoning, twisting, or associating negative memes with our message either. Quite simply, I would ignore them unless they are useful to us on OUR terms (e.g. “Are only Nazis against White Genocide?”). Try to see the forest and not the tree. We’re in this for the long haul, let’s not throw common sense to the wind for short-term gain or publicity.

  25. #56 by Jay on 10/14/2013 - 7:04 pm

    I’ve did something that was UnPC in public; Words. I can’t get into details. The pc police and the newspaper were all over me. This is serious business we’re in.

  26. #57 by The Asgardian known as Michael on 10/14/2013 - 7:48 pm

    I hope u r ok jay.

  27. #58 by Jay on 10/14/2013 - 7:59 pm

    This was a While back. The message I conveyed to the public; regardless of affiliation whether you’re a democrat or republican. Both are conservative in nature, i.e. White!

  28. #59 by Jay on 10/14/2013 - 8:03 pm


    I’m okay. Just pisses me off even more.

  29. #60 by Bob on 10/15/2013 - 11:06 am

    Right. Revolution is always “rude.”

  30. #61 by Henry Davenport on 10/15/2013 - 7:37 pm

    I’m interested to be corrected if I’m mistaken, but I haven’t heard of any Nazis using Mantra stuff. I’ve only heard of their being willing to be present where someone else is using it.

  31. #62 by Henry Davenport on 10/16/2013 - 3:07 am

    Sys Op: Here’s an update on a famous line from early Greek philosophy:

    You can never sit down in front of the same computer twice

    Thanks for stepping into the raging river for us and taming it.

  32. #63 by Jason on 10/16/2013 - 3:42 am


    You have insulted half the White Men ON THIS BOARD at one time or the other. Fellow BUGSTERS.

    You’ve talked to other Whites on this board as if they were serfs or some quivering mass of Orientals that needed to take your orders.

    THAT is the kind of behavior I don’t like among skinheads. And the double standard, which is that THEY are allowed to throw fits, insult good people, shout orders like some low level union organizer, but OMG the world comes to an end if anyone pushes back! Or even just notes that they have behavior issues that make them almost impossible to work with.

    My attitude isn’t “elite”, it is just normal among White Men. Have you worked with White Men?

    • #64 by Daniel Genseric on 10/17/2013 - 7:23 am

      That’s just your opinion, Jason.

      There are quite a few people here with skin thick enough to wage war, let alone receive criticism. Delicate sensibilities are not my forte (nor will they ever be), BRUTAL honesty is. That is the value I bring to the table. Please begin thinking how you might leverage this quality instead of complaining about it.

      TO the crux of it. Are you a LEADER or a peasant? Then, start acting like one. These are our people reacting to genocide, white genocide. Are you trying to compete with them or lead them? Now man up.

      • #65 by Jason on 10/17/2013 - 9:05 am

        Daniel, again the double standard. You are allowed to badger anyone in any insulting way you feel like, and if anyone fires back, well they aren’t much of a man.

        But you defend the skinheads as if they were a bunch of trembling women-folk suddenly surrounded by Apaches. I have never said anything as bad about skinheads as you have said to SEVERAL Bugsters who post regularly.

        • #66 by Daniel Genseric on 10/17/2013 - 7:31 pm


          Is that so? Is it so because you can formulate the sentence and that makes it True or because you think I won’t contest it. Are you saying they [Battered BUGSters] did not deserve it or…? It is your references that are lacking.

          When is the last time I said these gentlemen here at BUGS are to be USED.
          When is the last time YOU quote skinheads unquote or “NAZIS!”, which you so clearly hold disdain for, should be used?

          And you want to talk to ME about double standards? Now you’re just being silly. If I step over the line I expect to get my d!ck slapped. You should too. I know it stings, but you should get over it or you can TTGH for all I care.

  33. #67 by Henry Davenport on 10/17/2013 - 10:49 am

    The White House’s million watt megaphone has been turned back on, so please resume adding initials to the October “petitions”…we got about 40 of the 150 sets of initials needed to make them visible during the few hours the site was open. Thanks!

    Since the petition clock stopped ticking during the shutdown, these will expire 30 days from now, and so we’ll submit no new ones for November.

    (Oct #1 of 3) Stop lying! Immigration IS about race! It’s about the GENOCIDE of the WHITE RACE.

    (Oct #2 of 3) Be progressive in the 21st century and learn from the peoples of Africa.

    (Oct #3 of 3) Admit that Channon Christian & Christopher Newsom torture and murders were a by-effect of WHITE GENOCIDE

    Short URLs for the “petitions”:

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