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10/20/2011 at 4:46 am #11139meawhiterabbitParticipant
Does anyone have any adivce on debating with Regional Nationalists. For example i was debating with British Nationalist on a thread over on SF. They moan and bitch all the time about Polish immigrants coming to the UK for work. Now i was trying to tell them that they were wasting their energy complaining about other White Europeans when White Europeans are in danger FULL STOP. Nothing i said seemed to work. They were insistent on putting White British Nationalism before White Nationalism. I tried to say they could “fix” this Polish immigration problem AFTER we had a hold on White genocide but they just couldn’t or wouldn’t take it. I got frustrated towards then end as i was/am sure there are shills posting and have a temp ban. I did lose my cool a little with one of the posters haha.
Opinions? Its a new one and labeling them anti-white isn’t strictly true, they just have a very hardcore believe system that is Nation before Race. Odd. Maybe even with “WNs” there is no debating, no need for facts? Jeeezz how embedded is this crap!10/20/2011 at 6:51 am #11143-Gar5-Participant@ meawhiterabbit
Gave you some backup.
10/20/2011 at 7:01 am #11144GavinParticipantmeawhiterabbit,
I wouldn’t try to “convert” them to white, rather than British nationalism. I don’t have a problem with ethnic loyalty within our race, that’s natural. Just give them the mantra, show them the logic of it. Explain that they are being targeted because the British are white. Hopefully they will get on a consistent message.
10/20/2011 at 7:08 am #11145Coniglio BiancoParticipantDeleted
10/20/2011 at 9:40 am #11148Daniel GensericParticipantA certain hyper-critical person over at SF dropped this today regarding Bob and Co.
“It might be a first rate message, but he’s depending on second rate personalities to deliver it for him, maybe.”
With friends like that in the Movement, who needs enemies?
10/20/2011 at 10:49 am #11149-Gar5-Participanthttp://www.stormfront.org/forum/t837995-8/#post9662604
I think I explained our movement rather well, but if you spot anything wrong, point it out.
Anyway, I won’t post on that thread again as it’d be pointless explaining it any further.
10/20/2011 at 11:25 am #11152meawhiterabbitParticipantGar5-Good man. Yes you explained it well but that guy Aktion T4 is still being……….well i am not sure actually. I can’t figure out his agenda. Something seems untoward about his posts.
They really can’t see the bigger picture and as i kept saying its horse before the cart stuff. I am sure our enemy knew this would happen and thought it would be a nice bit of distraction to keep the Brits eye of the REAL problem. Plus the media gives Nationalists a voice to bitch about fellow Whites no end (even Muslims to a certain extent as well) but the same media comes down hard when they even utter anything racial. Its such a shame as there is a LOT of energy flowing there that is being directed in the wrong direction. I live in the UK and everyone knows the BNP, EDL etc.. have been infiltrated from the inside so i think a lot of Brit Nationalists are just products of that. I know we are all tribal but for the sake of our race we got to work together. They seem to be still in this small town you’re not from around here mindset. The other thing to remember is that Poles and Eastern Euro immigrants tend to leave after a few years of making money. Africans and Asians set up camp for good with their massive families.
On a side note i wonder how hardcore these British Nationalists would be given the opportunity to date a drop dead 100% White Italian lady.
I agree they are not willing to budge so its not worth posting. That Aktion T4 guy will just post a smiley or something obnoxious. . As i said its almost like dealing with an anti-white. The Brit Nationalists keep using the economy as justification for hating Poles just like ant-white use it as justification for white genocide. Strange
10/20/2011 at 6:59 pm #11164herrMajorParticipantWell you are falling into the same trap they have set for us within these groups that I do.
You really need to learn the idea of discrimination between those groups who are pro-white, and pro-nationalist. They are VERY, different. One of the things I fall into with friends who are nationalists they do not actually see the genocide, they don’t usually care. Remember those “So called Conservatives”. They are whites, and our allies yes, but they are not going to be soldiers for us and I think they enemy has been programming them HARD.
One of the worst things I’ve done when talking to these lost souls is trying to tell them wea re all the white race, don’t make that mistake, they see borders, NOT BLOODLINE.
With that said, their polish problem is theirs, but you could use your trusty mantra thinking and pont out that the muslim immigration is threatening BRITISH IDENTITY (nationalist buzzword) and will genocide the british people within a few generations they will not fly the white dragon.
Now with the big heading of “Moral high ground” you can say he’s not really a conservative, or even a nationalist, he just wan’ts to save rich people money by k cking out the polish immigrants and not really interested in white’s suffering world wide. Which I find that works quite well, making fun of them for being only pro-british.
Yo could always call them racists and proclaim they are disloyal to the whole white race’s genocide because of their fixation on the “British” you could also tell them.
“Are the Muslim men who rape those nice white lasses British too?” To get under their skin and hit them hard with te mantra or mantra thinking.
10/20/2011 at 7:18 pm #11166herrMajorParticipantOne of the things I wanted to make another post about is the Rabid anti-whites. And how to deal with the Warewolves.
So these guys will be the types when those of you tailgate a little, they will try and rip your head off. You can use your tailgating tactically to going out their rabid hatred of whites like red on your tail to a bull. Pulling them in the open away from the curtain of “Anti-Racism” and throw them into the pit of ANTI-WHITE.
When you encounter these little rabbit animals who want to kill white children and our race. They will immediately start throwing filth at you and heaping on the abuse, I’ve suffered a little under their attacks but recently I’ve found a good way to deal with them.
A rabid dog needs to be scolded. Simply tell them that those “Achievements of racism” has benefited humanity as a whole, and they being such evil ANTI-WHITES will destroy the items the white race produced to kill little brown children in Somalia. They will kill brown children just so they can continue to be Anti-White and the people who are anti-racist will continue to be anti-white as a way of destroying MY, OUR, RACE.
You can use any argument you like but the general tactic is to scold them, and to put them down, then affirm they are anti-white. It’s going to help alot because once you get the rabid dog sitting you can make them do anything you like.
10/20/2011 at 7:43 pm #11168GavinParticipantI would not attack a white person for being loyal to their ethnic group/ethnic nationality as long as they are loyal to the ethnic group not some false construct where an African living in London eating fish and chips is called “British.”
However, we must show them that the British are being targeted for genocide only because they are white and that fighting white genocide does not mean they must forsake all loyalty to their specific ethnicity.
10/21/2011 at 7:08 pm #11195Henry DavenportParticipant@ Genseric:
“second rate personalities”
Tell that dude to get his own first rate personality over here and help out.
10/21/2011 at 7:10 pm #11196Henry DavenportParticipantOn second thought, maybe not! 🙂
10/21/2011 at 7:22 pm #11197AnonymousInactiverunner said:
@Scrivener
This brings up a good question that I can’t figure out. If someone believes in complete equality, how can White genocide in the form race-melding ever matter to them? The Mantra loses its effect on the listener if all races are believed to be equal. Why would it matter that only White countries are for everyone when race is considered merely a social construct by the listener?
There’s a good chance this question was already answered, but since it was directed at me, I’ll throw in my two (possible repeated) cents.
Always remember who your audience is. Your audience is NOT the anti-White you are “debating.” And I say “debating” because you’re not. You’re using the anti-White as a board to bounce your mantra points off of. Your audience is anyone who might be reading. You’re writing for the lurkers. You’re writing for the average White who might just happen upon your comment.
You’re also writing for the average anti-White who will be informed by your post that the days of being able to magically win their point by screaming “racist” are over.
We know that, by and large, very few (if any) anti-Whites genuinely DON’T believe in race, and nearly ALL of THOSE are White. It’s really sad.
If someone claims to not believe in race, and maintain that they are just as much against anti-White racism (they mean “White as a social construct based on skin color”) as they are against any other kind of racism, just ignore them. That’s not on topic. There are a couple of comebacks. I usually say something like:
Well, that’s nice, but by and large people claiming to be against racism only ever target Whites and have no problem identifying Whites as a race when assigning blame… then go into a mantra point (I like this one, because it uses everyday observable behavior of anti-Whites to make the point).
Or, you could go the legal angel:
Well, that’s nice, but race is specifically recognized as a protected class under international law; specifically the laws regarding the crime of genocide. When you advocate for a coffee-colored amalgam of all races, you are advocating genocide.
10/21/2011 at 8:24 pm #11200Peter WhiterabbitParticipantIt wasn’t all that long ago that I was a college kid who believed that there was no such thing as race. The belief wasn’t due to any deep thoughts. I hadn’t decided it after serious consideration of all available evidence. I came to the conclusion that there was no such thing as race because that is what I heard over and over and over again in college.
Repetition is key.
10/21/2011 at 9:46 pm #11202C BearParticipant@ Scrivener: On you last paragraph above, I’ll definitely be using that one.
10/22/2011 at 12:39 am #11210Denounce GenocidistsParticipantI knew this day would come when some smart alec would bring up the fact that Dr Duke says he`s against Jewish “racism” so how can Anti-racist be a codeword for anti-white:
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=xKy22KsxX9k
@dungeoncrawler55 I have something to say: I do notice some people are repeatedly saying, “anti-racist is a codeward for anti-white.” Now, I can agree with that since there have been self-proclaimed anti-racist politicians who deep down, harbour anti-white sentiments, but at the same time, I cannot agree completely that it’s underlying meaning is anti-white. I do know some folks who are genuinely anti-racist. You know what, I think Duke is very much of a anti-racist himself but he not anti white
dannyboyyy1000 59 minutes agoHere`s my reply:
@dannyboyyy1000
“”anti-racist is a codeward for anti-white.” Now, I can agree with that since there have been self-proclaimed anti-racist politicians who deep down, harbour anti-white sentiments, but at the same time, I cannot agree completely that it’s underlying meaning is anti-white. ”
“I think Duke is very much of a anti-racist ”
Dr Duke has said many times that “racism” as used by the so-called “anti-racists” is exclusively aimed at harming white interests and furthering white genocide.
dungeoncrawler55 1 sec agoThe pitfalls of our own people using enemy terminology…….
10/22/2011 at 3:07 am #11213meawhiterabbitParticipant@ Scrivener I have used the law line in the past but one time an antiwhite then turned round and said to me, well laws are just social constructs like race. Laws deal with social constructs.
I have to admit their comeback put me off using the law/tribunals line.10/22/2011 at 5:14 am #11220Daniel GensericParticipant@HD
Today we are “Whitaker’s flunkies.” The intra-movement hatred is appalling.
10/22/2011 at 6:57 am #11224Henry DavenportParticipant@ Genseric
What thread is that on? It sounds like you at least could use a little moral support, and I’m pissed off to hear that last! Thank god for cyber space, which keeps such people at least at some bearable distance.
I don’t want to waste too much time on the hopelessly crippled, since I have 20 pages of a fascinating thread here to read. Lol…I am having way too much fun…you guys are so BRIGHT…I hadn’t realized how much I need to have that around me.
10/22/2011 at 8:33 am #11225Peter WhiterabbitParticipantThe poster on Stormfront is a borderline troll. He claims to like Bob and is on board with the mantra but will do anything to get you guys off message on that thread. He is like the WW2 veteran that Bob writes about…he boasts about what he did decades ago and tries to live off that glory. If he gets on message, great. If not, he is useless.
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