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  • #21273

    Harumphty Dumpty
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    Make that “VERY instructive.”

    I’m thinking about:

    “Typically when there is a need for something the demand for it creates its own supply.”

    If Don Black hadn’t created SF, then maybe (you’re saying “certainly”) the role it plays would have been filled by someone else creating something better or worse, but different. That seems extremely likely. (Still, my feeling is that Don did it, did the work and paid the price, and I’m grateful).

    By “velvet touch,” I guess you mean the present softer leanings of SF.

    This discussion is making me feel optimistic. I felt thrilled when I heard about the NSM coming out in strong presence in Sanford re the Trayvon affair. Who else would do that? Certainly it needs to be done.

    On the other end of the spectrum, if not for Amren I’d probably still be just screaming “nigger!” into a pillow and never even heard of BUGS. I’m glad that there is such a variety of pro-White organizations and entry points.

    But I begin to sense why there’s a rightful anger at SF turning away from NSM sort of stuff…it must be a sort of betrayal. And there needs to be some sort of connective…I’m guessing SF was principally it?…between all the parts of the pro-White movement. Ha! From Jew-laden Amren to NSM…that’s a long spectrum.

    Anyone showing up at amren learns there about the Jewish role though…that’s where I learned about it…unless they are completely deaf and dumb.

    #21276

    beefcake
    Participant

    Genseric, you are obviously fustrated with the AMPW’s over there.

    I don’t argue with them, same way I handle Anti-Whites.

    In general they are stead fast in thier doom and gloom outlook, and not even aware that WE gave them memes by spreading around “Anti-Racist is a codeword for Anti-White”, as well as just refering to all the “Antis” now as “Anti-Whites”, and those who oppose them at “Pro-Whites.”

    Those terminologies that we have turned into memes are big gifts to them, they do not even realize, and likely never will.

    IF you ever do chose to engage them, keep in mind it is about the audience audience audience.

    The AMPWs are just as conditioned in defeatism as the Anti-Whites are at being Anti-White.

    The AMPW’s are not Anti-Mantra, they are Anti-Victory.

    IF you should chose to engage them, do so by using Mantra tactics themselves, pointing out their internal contradictions and such.

    For the most part I don’t engage them, but I still lurk on SF and will pm prospective Pro-Whites who may be interested in unifying with our consistent message.

    I have not 100% given up on recruiting from there, but I do not to spend a large amount of time on it. Even the occasional calls to the Don and Derek Black radio show don’t really take a big chunk out of my day. I figure if even one listener starts listening to FTWR and joins us, then its another small victory.

    Its all about the message and the Audience. The ones who only want to complain about Blacks and Jews are at least THERE on SF in their little circle jerk and not messing up our message by tailgaiting Anti-Whites arguments in places where we have them cornered.

    So in a way SF gives the AMPW’s a place to be without getting in our way.

    Cup is now half full you see.

    #21277

    beefcake
    Participant

    Oh wow, I did not read careful enough, it was about SF turning away the NSM guys?

    Well, while that does suck, hopefully a bunch of them go searching and find BUGS. We can make a good home for them here, so long as they learn to use our weapons and HOW this fight is actually WON. ;-)

    #21284

    Dick_Whitman
    Participant

    I don’t read SF very often (except their news section occasionally and their radio show when Horus goes on) but I fully support their efforts at phasing out the NSM-types and other similar expressions of “White Nationalism” from their site. People who operate using NSM-like methods (marching in the street while wearing 75 year old uniforms and screaming “Seig Heil”) haven’t benefited our cause probably ever? Their hearts may be in the right place (that is, if they’re not a fully fledged cointellpro operation) but their tactics and strategy are the epitome of “inefficacy.”

    The best thing the NSM can do for the interests of the White race is to totally re-flag themselves as a new NSM. That is, the National Spreaders of the Mantra. Hang up the uniforms and arm bands and use their human resources towards spreading the mantra. They can still do street marches but should do so without the uniforms and Nazi flags. Just go out and spread the Mantra and hand out Mantras on business cards.

    As far as SF is concerned I have only good things to say about Mr. Black and his son. Black was a pioneer in internet activism and I support his attempt at purging SF of people who tend to embarrass pro-Whites more than anything else. Black is probably trying to make SF more accessible to people new to WN thinking? As more people look for answers to the current state of affairs regarding race, SF wants to make itself more presentable as it provides some of these answers. After the newbies learn a little, they’ll eventually ask the question “so what can we do?” And that is when someone will direct them to SWARMFRONT and then to BUGS and FTWR.

    Keep up the good work Don and Derrick Black!

    #21285

    Daniel Genseric
    Participant

    You know what? After re-thinking my Rant, you’re absolutely correct, DW.

    The NSM & skinheads belong on the sidelines in everything they wish to do. Some of the most vociferous, courageous men in our movement – men not AFRAID TO SHOW THEIR FACES – willing to do some of the work the Feral gubment won’t do need to be SILENCED. They are Dangerous.

    By all means, whatever makes SF a place more hospitable to Conservative Respectables. Pffffffffffffffffft…..FUCK…..THAT.

    Where Free Speech ain’t so free,
    Daniel Genseric

    #21288

    Peter Whiterabbit
    Participant

    I’m glad you left SF. More time to spend in fertile mantra grounds elsewhere.

    #21291

    Dick_Whitman
    Participant

    I agree that the NSM/Skinhead types are willing to go out and be publicity active. This is their best asset. The problem is what they do when they’re in public. Going out in 1930′s German regalia and screaming “kike” while waving a swastika doesn’t do anybody any good. Some of these “courageous men” also take part in acts of pointless violence which can include bum-rushing non-whites or homos (behavior I would expect from black or hispanic street gangs).

    As far as being “willing to do some of the work the Feral gubment won’t do,” I’m not sure what you refer to? But the ones working in COINTELLPRO are certainly doing the work of the anti-Whites within the federal government.

    Again, many of the NSMers or skinheads have their hearts in the right place. But they’re drastically wrong when it comes to tactics and strategy. Maybe you (Genseric) can help get these courageous men (and women) on our message? This way we can utilize their best asset (the willingness to go into public) with a winning strategy. They could travel city to city doing mantra-marches.

    The National Spreaders of the Mantra = The NSM.

    #21292

    H.Avenger
    Participant

    Most in our struggle fail to grasp anything related to Stormfront. Stormfront is a franchise name that any kid is going to go to…to do their first “racial” post online. Some kid surfing in the UK has a question about race or problems at school. He does not have free speech in the UK. So he goes to Stormfront and gets a username to start ranting. Stormfront serves that purpose. And Stormfront is HUGE for this reason alone.

    White Rabbit Radio advertises on Stormfront front page as of the last week. Don and Derek have always been fair to White Rabbit Radio. Many white rabbits have found White Rabbit Radio through Stormfront. I am also working on getting an ad up on the front page of CofCC as well. Anywhere we can advertise and get our message out …..we will do so. We found the Stormfront grounds to be fertile for our message. White Rabbits are dieing for something to say when being called a racist.

    All that other inside WN stuff, NSM stuff, groups not liking other groups. Who knows. I got too much work to do and don’t feel like contemplating or dwelling on all the nonsense that goes on.

    Genseric, you do not need to curse so much to get your point across…..at least not on BUGS.

    #21296

    Gavin
    Participant

    Every second we spend infighting among pro-White dissidents is time we could spend fighting ACTUAL ANTI-WHITES!

    Stormfront is a great site to gather pro-Whites. It’s a stepping stone.

    #21300

    Harumphty Dumpty
    Participant

    Don Black believes in the Mantra approach. The SF yearly conferences are now aparently going to be largely Mantra seminars.

    If SF is going to become more and more a part of the Mantra effort, would it make sense for SF any more than for ourselves to be identified with NSM symbols, etc.?

    Don Black is leaving that stuff behind for the same reason we do, I presume.

    If Don were reading this page, I think he’d perceive us as fighting against the very thing we want…More Mantra!

    #21310

    Daniel Genseric
    Participant

    NONE of you read what I wrote with the initial intent of understanding.

    And I will be damned if anyone is going to tell me what I can or can’t say.

    #21315

    H.Avenger
    Participant

    BIG G,

    I don’t recall anyone censoring you. I personally asked you not to curse so much on BUGS. That is hardly telling you what you can or can’t say. And you know this. Everyone realizes you are passionate. Your first post left some room for interpretation over whether you were upset that the Skins and NSM don’t surf Stormfront or whether Don Black does not want them there? Probably some of both……seeing as each group has their own forum.

    #21317

    Jason
    Participant

    Sounds like the AMPW crowd are some stubborn bastards! lol. Could find recruits elsewhere – has anyone thought of tacking a little line on the end of the Mantra that says, “if you agree with this, pass it on”?

    That might be really bad idea. But I do get thumbs up on some of my posts, maybe a few would start posting it on their own. But, we might not want to advertise that it is a copy/paste thing.

    #21319

    Daniel Genseric
    Participant

    H,

    I was talking about SF and how they had recently banned me. I am not dense enough to believe you would advocate something like that. Anybody who knows me knows that I swear occasionally. They also know that my tendency to do so changes to profusely when pro-whites of any variety are ostracized or demonized.

    As long as their intention is to save our race, I just won’t stand for it. Skinheads, NSM, you or ANYBODY. I’m just not so sure about certain people anymore. In my book, indifference is just as bad as – if not worse than – outright anti-white opposition. They are letting it happen on their board. And it is disgusting. I don’t expect them to PROMOTE those boys, but for crying out loud. Enough is enough already.

    Anyone who is inherently anti-German is most certainly anti-White,
    Daniel Genseric

    #21326

    dungeoneer
    Participant

    @Genseric

    I`m not up on all the details(Please PM),but as long as Stormfront is still on message what`s the problem?

    #21328

    H.Avenger
    Participant

    “Anyone who is inherently anti-German is most certainly anti-White”

    I agree with this statement. The Black family is German. They consider themselves Anglo Saxon.

    I did not know you were banned. Why were you banned (if you know)? And by who?

    #21330

    Coniglio Bianco
    Participant

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    #21331

    Daniel Genseric
    Participant

    Again, the BOARD people. The BOARD. The BOARD. The Board. Yes, the Blacks are sort of on message. But, only on their show. Even then he STILL slips up and calls it SUICIDE. pffft…

    No, they are NOT German. Black claims primarily English ancestry. That would make perfect sense because Black is an English surname. Notice the unequal treatment of the Irish on his “board?” Their forum for the Irish was wiped out for a spell. Not sure if it’s back yet. You guys can check that because they aren’t even getting “guest” activity from the likes of me until they come clean. Being even-handed when you are in a position of authority is detrimental to one’s longevity as such.

    A new day is dawning. They best get their poop in a group.

    #21332

    Daniel Genseric
    Participant

    I was banned for arguing with Don Black about actual activism in Duluth Minnesota. The unfair campaign. Remember that? He tried suppressing the entire protest in Duluth because he doesn’t like skinheads, especially the SWA.

    He who hath not sinned shall cast the first stone.

    His name is Stephen Donald Black. Do your OWN research. Arrive at your OWN conclusions. This is my OPINION.

    Edit: there is ANOTHER thread which details the specific reasons I was banned on this very blog if anyone is interested. This is about doing WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT, not about me.

    #21334

    Daniel Genseric
    Participant

    Should people become SUPER intrigued into the details of the specific exchange which landed me banished, I will re-post it in its entirety on the other thread about the activism Issue.

    I think everyone can understand why I would become concerned enough to post this here. Honestly, I am not going to say much more about it.

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