Mr. Timothy Wise Accused of White Genocide – Gets Defensive!!
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07/08/2013 at 8:10 pm #45809JPOutlookParticipant
Slowly but surely and piece by piece, the issue of White Genocide is being exposed to the public eye… Follow the link to the “Huff Po” video.
http://www.amren.com/news/2013/07/matt-heimbach-and-jared-taylor-debate-tim-wise-and-michael-dyson/
07/09/2013 at 12:08 am #45826JPOutlookParticipantThis thread for the post-game on the “Huff Po” debate.
Mr. Wise was caught denying, then justifying White Genocide. It was really interesting how he seemed so prepared with the terminolgogy, “White Genocide”. My guess is that it was because his pride is making him disbelieve that saying the words builds support for the pro-white side. Also, during his response, Mr. Wise tried to retake the moral highground by talking about his “white family”. However, after he made the response, the momentum swung back in his favor when “Saint” Mandela’s crime stat was mentioned.
Overall, Mr. Wise didn’t come off well despite the tailgating that was done by his opponents (the pro-whites).
J.P.O.
07/09/2013 at 12:25 am #45827JasonParticipantIt was obvious to someone just turning in that Tim Wise hates White people, and I don’t think he came off well (although I didn’t listen to the 8 min intro).
Good job by the two pro-Whites. Notice how effective it is when Matt used the term ‘genocide’. The anti-Whites feel compelled to respond and end up using the term (grey goo).
They were both strongest when talking about the overall fate of Whites and White Genocide (Matt). You can also see that getting off into crime-talk is a time waster. It’s true, but not an effective use of time. And although I agree with everything Matt said about South Africa, getting off into particular political issues in a foreign land is not as effective as focusing on White Genocide.
White spokesmen have very limited time in public forums so time must be spent on the core issues. (I’m not jumping on Matt here, he did good job, just trying to learn from this for the future).
07/09/2013 at 12:45 am #45829Ice KnightParticipantNotice the vastly disproportionate amount of time given to the anti-Whites to make their points?
Even so – one mention of White geNOcide and Matt managed to deliver the hammer blow.
Notice also at about 15:15 the presenter describes it as “an era of renewed conversation”?
White geNOcide is starting to establish itself as THE de facto argument – it’s a game changer and they know it!
07/09/2013 at 12:55 am #45831JasonParticipantNotice how the fact America is turning non-White is treated as some natural phenomenon, as if it is “just happening”. The point needs to be hammered home when debating anti-Whites: This is a deliberate policy in ALL and ONLY White countries.
It would have been nice to bring up that Tim doesn’t mind Japanese privilege in Japan. Or Black privilege in Africa. Although Jared did ask why would anyone want to be a minority in their own country.
07/09/2013 at 5:48 am #45837JPOutlookParticipantMr. Wise denied being anti-white, too, and suggested that if pro-whites were correct, “to be pro-white you would have to be a white racist”. In other words “white is racist, racist is white” or to put the focus onto the anti-white speaker (keeping them defensive), “anti-racist is a code word for anti-white”.
I believe Wise didn’t see Heimbach coming… he’s too used to the college circuit where white people are forced to nod along and listen to all of his “baloney”.
It’s good to see this was the top commented Amren.com story for the day. As the kiddies say, “MOAR!”
07/09/2013 at 7:03 am #45841AnonymousInactiveIf you want to download the video – here is the direct link
07/09/2013 at 7:19 am #45844-Winterblade-ParticipantI have explained this in an audio recording but that’s not published or anything, so I’ll explain it textually here:
When you say “I’m not an <x>,” what you are doing is accepting the label. You’re saying “I can see why you think I’m an evilracistnaziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews, but let me tell you why you’re wrong!” You’re legitimizing the claim, even if you deny it, by accepting the label on yourself, the audience has now seen you tagged with it and that will stick in their minds.
Think about it: What if I accused you of being a shapeshifting reptilian invader from the 5th dimension? Would you sit there and profusely deny that? LOL! Of course not, because it’s a ridiculous and patently illegitimate accusation! If anything you’d probably just troll me as an obvious moron.
That’s why WE don’t say “I’m not racist” – because we don’t legitimize such an idiotic accusation as “you want to preserve your people, therefore you must hate all other peoples.”
However, as soon as the words “I’m not anti-White” were out of this jackass’s mouth, he accepted that label onto himself. If it were so patently absurd, he would have just laughed at it. By saying “I’m not anti-White,” he was saying “I can see why you THINK I’m anti-White (thus legitimizing the accusation), BUT you’re wrong!”
Either way, he himself legitimized the idea that someone would think him anti-White. Good job Mr. Wise! And kudos to the WSU pres there for calling genocide GENOCIDE and calling this guy on that genocide.
-Winterblade
07/09/2013 at 8:16 am #45847SimonParticipantI watched the whole thing. Anti-whites were given far more airtime than pro-whites. Typical, however, there was far less interruptions.
Its an interesting comparison between two pro-whites.
Jared Taylor plays the stat cards and Tim Wise merely trumps it with his own stat cards. Tim then plays the non-violent drug offences card, which Taylor did not counter, probably because he didn’t have a quick drug offence stat to hand. An audience is left to the conclusion that maybe the police are racist against blacks when it comes to drugs.
Matt on the otherhand is simply making mantra like points, quite aggressively and causes a reaction. He tailgates when he starts talking about Mandella and South Africa and allows Tim Wise to recover.
I admit to zoning out when the mullato mommy professor babbled on about whiteness – I expect the audience did to.
I notice that Matt Heimbach who was the most mantra-like got the least amount of airtime. Yet, his points seem far more memorable to me. (Am I Biased because he’s using the mantra maybe – I don’t think so. People remember emotional attack points, not dry stats that Jared and Tim were tossing at each other, which of course require a great deal of independent verification, which the audience will not bother to do.)
Bravo to Matt, though, for his improvement I suggest he posts the mantra 5 times a day for the next 6 months.
07/09/2013 at 8:19 am #45848AnonymousInactiveThey dont like it when people FIGHT BACK, they are used to people rolling over for them in fear out of being called hatewords. I laughed when tim wise used the word precocious I thought of golum. I tip my hat to Mr. Heimbach, even Mr. Taylor saw the reaction that White Genocide envoked.
07/09/2013 at 11:00 am #45859Secret SquirrelParticipantCongratulations to Mr Heimbach. Well done!
07/09/2013 at 9:32 pm #45885Peter CottontailParticipantI bitch about this all the time and I will bitch again. Not all of us have time to watch a 30 minute piece and wait for the good part. Please, on these longer videos, give us an approximate time of when mantra points are made.
07/10/2013 at 12:26 am #45890Henry DavenportParticipant@ Winterblade: That’s a marvelous comment, a truly perfect exposition of why we are spreading the term “anti-white.”
Please save your comment and post it at all kinds of places. I’ll make a note to link to it here.
If that’s on the audio you sent me that I still haven’t finished listening to, I feel guilty.
07/10/2013 at 2:57 am #45895JPOutlookParticipant@ P.C. (or is it Mr. Whitaker)
You can gripe all you want. We propaganda warriors know a wet blanket when we see one! Hahaha!
Get a faster connection, friend. And, put a smile on that face!
09/01/2013 at 10:46 am #45858Secret SquirrelParticipantCongratulations to Mr Heimbach. Well done.
@Simon
“I notice that Matt Heimbach who was the most mantra-like got the least amount of airtime. Yet, his points seem far more memorable to me. (Am I Biased because he’s using the mantra maybe – I don’t think so. People remember emotional attack points, not dry stats that Jared and Tim were tossing at each other”With White Genocide, it doesn’t matter how much time you get, you are remembered. You are the power player.
@Asgardian117
“even Mr. Taylor saw the reaction that White Genocide envoked.”Yes!
09/01/2013 at 10:58 am #49390AnonymousInactiveBut lets remember taylor means well he really does he loves his people he just doesnt get it and thats OK..he serves a very useful purpose and that purpose is priming people for OUR termionlogy.
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