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Feedback on Bob’s Mantra

Posted by Bob on February 20th, 2006 under Comment Responses

The feedback from my response to Derek on the length of Bob’s Mantra has been the garden I wish I knew how to nourish.

Derek, below, went on to state his method of dealing with this situation in actual arguments.

Tim has a terrific insight on real arguments.

There is at least one other I want to quote.

But right now, I need to make a point I have tried to make over and over and over: But I am tired and I won’t be here forever

I have spent a lot of time lately in the antis section of Stormfront. I demonstrate, again and again and again, that my points leave the antis gibbering.

That is the ONLY point of dealing with the opposition.

We have a war to fight. We have a point to make. Lately, by concentrating on the anti thread, I have begun to get my comrades into backing me up. But if I disappear, they will be back to arguing details.

Here Derek’s comment sparked a discussion of how YOU can use my points, how YOU can “stay on message.” I got some feedback from some of you who actually can give me pointers from ACTUAL USE of my points.

Derek explains here that he has to get in all in in segments. But the point is that he is finding a way to get it in.

THAT is what I am here for.

Derek, I can usually say something like, “Are we going to have a discussion or are you just going to go to pieces on me?” If the other person is not a hopeless nut, I can buy enough time to state Bob’s Mantra, completely. The, as Tim says, I simply will not get off it.

But always remember, I am not offering you a Wordism. I am not giving you a cookbook.

You have to do what Tim and Derek are doing, develope the approach that gives YOU the most yield.

And for God’s sake, PLEASE share your experiences with the rest of us here.

Once you get m y approach down, you are going to feel sorry for Ole Bob. YOU are going to spread this approach, and YOU are going to sigh with exasperation as YOUR pupils constantly veer back to the old stuff:

“The dog returns to its vomit, the pig returns to its mire, and the burnt fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the fire.”

Once you start backing them down and convincing people, you will the horrible frustration at others who simply cannot seem to understand the basics. All good teachers suffer that all the time.

But I am, slowly, making progress.

This is a seminar, not a lecture. You have outgrown your college education, even if you never had one.

I expect a lot of you.

I expect you to save my race.

Comment by TIM

The reason it is so effective is BECAUSE it is NOT short. If it were short no one would think about it. It forces folks to think about uncomfortable things. And dispossesion is very uncomfortable. If you start using the “BW lines”. You will find that people TRY to get off the subject. And that is the ultimate compliment! When a liberal tries to get off the subject —you have won. At first, I did not know what to do when someone immediately tries to get off the subject. Now it is like blood in the water for a shark. I just dig in and keep at them until I see fear and tears. I have seen it change people. You have to remember though. To go from reverse to drive —you first have to go throgh neutral. People always try to convince others. I have learned at a young age–that is a waste of my time. I am just a parot. We are pre revolution and Bob’s mantra is my revolutionary slogan. I just keep repeating it. In pre-revolution people look to those who are bold and show courage. Bob’s lines incorporates both these traits.

Comment by Derek

When talking with others about this issue so many get upset and angry that they won’t let you get in a word edgewise. I usually have to break it up and address it in different sections when someone brings up a point.

For instance: person A says to me “there is a race problem in America.”

I say “and in Europe and all white countries. Notice how there are no race problems in Asian countries. The race problem is the ‘white problem’ and it won’t be solved until we are bred out of existance.”

A:”But this means you are a racist. I am anti-racist.”

Me: “Anti-racist is a code for anti-white.”, etc, etc.

I guess my basic point is that if you can’t get it all out at once try and get as much out as you can, even in fragments. The more the better, but some is better than none. At least that is my opinion.

  1. #1 by Derek on 02/20/2006 - 2:08 pm

    I came home last night to my roomates arguing with a guest over racism. She had stated before that she thought race determined how developed a nation or culture would be. But when my roomate called her a racist, and even conceding that he didn’t mean it in a negative way (he is MY roomate afterall), she backed off and said that she is a culturualist.

    I was tired from work and hate getting into arguments. I just chimed in with “race determines culture, and yes Virginia, I am a racist”. Then I went about making my salmon burger.

    She got flabbergasted and didn’t know what to say. She accused me of hatred and bigotry. I pointed out that she would win that way with a six year old, but not me.

    I told her that I was too tired to argue but I would offer her this:

    “Everyone says there is a race problem….”

  2. #2 by Bob on 02/20/2006 - 6:08 pm

    Good job!

  3. #3 by Peter on 02/22/2006 - 6:37 pm

    It’s a good thing Mark started this all, so we could get this good feedback. The Drumbeat works in pieces, and Derek gave us an example of where it works in whole.

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