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Posted by Bob on April 26th, 2006 under Comment Responses


LibAnon says, beginning with a quote from me,

“centuries of church breeding for lower IQs”
But this same institution created what we now know as Europe, which conquered the world. So perhaps the priests were wiser than our latter-day (and extremely Jewish) obsession with IQ might lead us to believe.
Rather than preventing smart people from breeding, the Church’s main intent was more likely to have been to liberate the intellect from the burdens of economic necessity and domestic responsibility. This institutional sequestering of the intelligentsia therefore led directly to the invention of modern science, technology, and other achievements unique to European civilization.
Also, there is considerable evidence that “breeding for intelligence” is actually dysgenic, not eugenic. Centuries of this practice among the Jews, for instance, has led to moral and physical qualities that Jews themselves often find repugnant, together with disproportionately high levels of neurosis and mental illness. There is also evidence that today’s rapidly increasing rate of autism among children is linked to the increasing number of couples in which both partners are highly intelligent, to the point that autism has often been called “nerd syndrome”.
So perhaps the Church got it exactly right. The best “group evolutionary strategy” is to seek out the nerds and free them to think, but also to discourage them from biologically reproducing.

Comment by LibAnon

MY REPLY:

We have a fundamental historical disagreement here.

You say that the Christian Church created today’s Europe.

As you know, since you read my last book, I believe that Odin’t knowledge-based religion reflected the fact that a scientific Europe was already here.

In the so-called Dark Ages, the “barbarians” introduced a sane harness that did not choke a horse the way the Roamsn had done, they invented horse shoes. I can’t remember the rest of the list, but they revolutionized technology in a way Romans never could.

It took us a thousand years to reintroduce knowledge as a goal inthe middle eastern jungle known as Christian thought, and the job hasn’t been done yet.

If you have any illusions that this insanity has been overcome, read National Review.

Remember what my POINT was. It coincides perfectly with yours.

I was simply saying that church policy on the Ideal of Sterility has probably brought down the average IQ of whites. The simple fact that this would have brought down the average testable IQ has never been discussed by those who keep pointing out that AVERAGE IQ among Jews and Orientals is higher.

That is a matter of simple arithmetic.

That is usual Whitaker point. Something everybody else will soon consider obvious jumped out at me.

Nobody else would have noticed it, but it jumped out at me.

Soon evrybody will say it was obvious and they knew it all along.

That piece of simple arithmetic is Point One.

Now let’s go on to Point Two, YOUR point.

Whatever the churches did to average IQ, it did not affect the fundamental fact of race.

Rushton is an IQ fanatic. Bless him, he demands the preservation of our race because he sees our race as his family. That will do since he is on our side in terms of racial survival.

But Rushton sincerely believes that the higher average IQ of Jews and Orientals gives them a FUTURE, regardless of whether whites become brown or not.

Now let me digress again to show you my way of thinking.

I have said many times I have brought up what would happen if you tuned into a program on BBC or PBS and heard them saying, “They are One With Nature, they take only what they need. You may think they are cruel, but what they are doing is in tune with Nature.”

What would happen is that you would not know whether they were talking about wolves or Indians.

By exactly the same token, it is impossible to tell whether someone is commenting on Orientals or ants.

“They work hard. They deal with problems. They have highly complex societies.”

I defy you to know whether they are talking about Orientals or ants until they tell you.

Both Indians and wolves have enormous virtues within their static environment. They do not destroy nature, they fit into it. Both Indians and ants can routinely endure agonies that we award medals for.

Ants are heroic workers, asking nothing for themselves.

But neither Indians nor wolves nor ants nor Orientals are GOING ANYWHERE.

The cirle Orientals are going around in is much, much bigger than the circles ants go around in.

But if BBC or PBS left and came back to earth in a thousand years, they woud expect the ants, the orientals, the wolves and the Indians to be going around in the same Highly Virtuous circles. They would all be Highly Virtuous.

Raise the average Oriental IQ ten points and their circle will be wider than it was before.

Give them bigger, stronger legs and they will break Olympic records right and left.

They will go around the same track MUCH faster.

I did NOT say that Jews have benefitted greatly by pushing their testable IQ up to Oriental levels.

In fact, as LibAnon points out, the higher IQ that comes naturally to Orientals has produced neuroses in Jews who have articificially bred them higher.

Read Portnoy’s Complaint.

What I pointed out was a simple matter of arithmetic.

What LibAnon is talking about goes much deeper.

In fact, what LibAnon has to say requires me to do something desperate:

I am going to have to THINK about it.

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  1. #1 by LibAnon on 04/26/2006 - 10:11 pm

    “What LibAnon is talking about goes much deeper.”
    The credit is all yours, Bob. I simply took your Whitakerism, which was a classic, and proceeded to ask the Whitaker question: “Yeah, but did it WORK?”
    Based on the evidence, my provisional answer is “yes”. Centuries of priestly celibacy in Europe undoubtedly did lower the average IQ among whites — how could it not have? On the other hand, the Odinism inherent in the white gene pool would not, in my opinion, have culminated in science, technology, and world conquest had white Europe remained a group of pagan tribes. The culture of the “West” as we know it today, a compound of Germanic and Greco-Roman institutions, was largely the creation of the (Carolingian and Ottonian) Holy Roman Empire, presided over by the Church. In other words, the Germanic genetic heritage was necessary, but not sufficient, to create the civilization we’re trying to defend today.
    For example, consider the Sami peoples of Arctic Europe. They resisted Christianity far longer than any other white group, practicing paganism until the 18th century. The result? Even today they are an “indigenous people”, demanding special land rights, complaining of racism, their haunting ululations sold alongside those of Australian Aboriginals in “world music” record stores and their nomadic lifestyle praised by professors as being in harmony with Brother Reindeer and the timeless rhythms of nature.

  2. #2 by Peter on 04/27/2006 - 2:49 pm

    LibAnon makes a good point and said it well.

    “But Rushton sincerely believes that the higher average IQ of Jews and Orientals gives them a FUTURE, regardless of whether whites become brown or not.”

    If he sincerely believes this, it is a delusion.

    A man like this is more dangerous on the inside than the out. Show him the door.

    The fact that his eyes “glaze over” when you talk to him means that he is consciously refusing even to consider what you have to say. It means that if he discussed the issue with you, he might have to retract his position. It means he acknowledges that you are smarter than he is. It means that you are right and he is wrong.

    The fact he consciously blocks you out means that his “sincere” belief is not all that sincere. If he were sincere, he would debate you. But he won’t debate you since a debate ends in someone losing.

    The reason Rushton always repeats the obviously harmful lie about IQs is that he fears he would lose his speaking income if he told the whole truth. Thus, he tells the truth, part of the truth, and something else besides the truth.

    And he still makes his living.

  3. #3 by kane on 04/27/2006 - 3:36 pm

    I hear the Jews have a good verbal IQ but the Asians have a good spacial IQ. White gentiles have jews beat in the spacial I believe. But not in the verbal. At any rate, I do believe the fact that Ashkenazi jews and white gentiles have high iq’s and sephardic jews don’t proves that many “white nationalist” are wrong on the whole jew issue of many jews not having white blood. Frankly. But hey, I’m an “American segregationalist,” not a “white nationalist,” so I can say that.

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