I could have called this “LibAnonII,” but I thought the title above was catchier.

I was reading another comment said Anonowitz, and I noticed he said more or less what I just said in anwer to his comment below.

He began, as all good people should, by quoting me:

‘What LibAnon is talking about goes much deeper.”
The credit is all yours, Bob. I simply took your Whitakerism, which was a classic, and proceeded to ask the Whitaker question: “Yeah, but did it WORK?”
Based on the evidence, my provisional answer is “yes”. Centuries of priestly celibacy in Europe undoubtedly did lower the average IQ among whites — how could it not have? On the other hand, the Odinism inherent in the white gene pool would not, in my opinion, have culminated in science, technology, and world conquest had white Europe remained a group of pagan tribes. The culture of the “West” as we know it today, a compound of Germanic and Greco-Roman institutions, was largely the creation of the (Carolingian and Ottonian) Holy Roman Empire, presided over by the Church. In other words, the Germanic genetic heritage was necessary, but not sufficient, to create the civilization we’re trying to defend today.

LibAnon in his comment below is sinking back into all the non-Whitaker arguments and missing the exact points I am trying to make.

But if this is what he got, it means I am doing something wrong.

I am thinking as I write, so don’t stop with my first comments.

“Bob, you’re arguing today like a member of an official Oppressed Minority Group. White people, you say, can’t be that dumb because we invented horseshoes, those tests don’t measure REAL intelligence anyway, and besides, our people were genetically sabotaged by a thousand years of ‘Middle Eastern crap.'”

*****LibAnon, my first rule, as you should know by now, is that I NEVER go on the defensive.

***** First of all, what I discovered during this discussion of “middle east crap” was something that was entirely different from what I started with a few months ago. This self-destruction program of whites did NOT staryt with “middle eastern crap.”

***** The opposite is the case. The Ideal of Sterility has nothing to do with the Old Testaments or Semites. It came from a religion what was officially limited to Aryans an degenerated.

**** That was a great discovery for me, and it bothers me that you misssed it completely.

*** A lot of people have asked me what is so self-destructive in our race. I came up with at least a start at a beginning of an exampleto work with.

**** You will NEVER see me say “those tests don’t measure real intelligence anyway.” I have been working onthese tests, blood groupings, EEGs and a lot else for over forty years at a professional level, we were asked to present one paper at Walter Reed Hospital, and my attitude wouuld take a LOT of explaining.

***** A third point you missed here is that I am NOT talking about some ability to “creat a civilization.” That is, once again, a standard point that is PRECISELY what I am NOT saying. See below.

What’s the difference between that and African Americans who argue “we can’t be DAT dumb because brothers invented peanut butter and traffic lights AND dem tests don’t measure REAL intelligence anyhow AND besides the white man been keepin’ us DOWN, five hundred years of oppression, yo”?

****** You have a good point here. We must not get into this defensive crap.

****** But remember my BIG point, the one no one else makes:

**** Creating **A** civilization is like ants creating an ant hill.

**** Creating one more civilization is of no importance whatever. What whites have created is a pathway to the stars.

My point is, who cares? When it comes to the qualities necessary to build a civilization that GOES SOMEWHERE, IQ is pretty far down the list. No society has EVER been run, except into the ground, by intellectuals. Intellectuals are servants and can’t succeed as anything else.

**** Now we’re cooking!

**** Every “other Great Civilization” got to the point where it found geometry or something and then the priesthood took over and it stagnated until it turned brown and died away.

**** In hte case of the Great Native American Civilizations, they were colored alrady, built things, stagnated and went away, leaving us to gawk at the greatnes of that particular glorified ant hill.

**** Reading what you said, it occurs to me tha the minute smart people stop impressing people with what they DO and start calling themselves intellectuals or Great Goobies or priests of Ammon, the stagnation phase is under way.

The true strength of our race is not our collective intellectual ability, measurable or not, but our faith, our passion, our sense of beauty, our sense of loyalty, honor and fair play, and our grateful curiosity about the world outside our own heads. In other words, our religious sense. That’s what makes us unique and gives our race its unique power.

***** As so often happens, I glory in your sentiments but I disagree with your logic.

***** By now you know my favorite NC saying, “You’re ugly, your feet stink, and you don’t love Jesus.”

**** On our level, it refers to the idea that accomplishment comes from virtue.

**** The Aryan group does have “our faith, our passion, our sense of beauty, our sense of loyalty, honor and fair play, and our grateful curiosity about the world outside our own heads. In other words, our religious sense. That’s what makes us unique and gives our race its unique power.”

**** I think that is largely CONCOMMITANT, not causal.

I read in this morning’s newspaper that it has been recently discovered that even songbirds can do arithmetic and parse grammatical structures. So much for Noam Chomsky, who thinks that such abilities are what defines humanity. Let’s leave such extravagant overestimation of the ability to perform such tricks, which we share with animals, to the Noams of the world. It’s something we’re picking up from the “Judaized cultural imperium” (to use Kevin Macdonald’s phrase) in which we live, and we need to get over it.

***** Right!

***** Noam Chomsky will naturally believe that what Jews excel in is what “humanity” is all about.

***** But what you saying precisely in line with my observation.

***** I was talking about other people’s — not Bob’s — obsession with MEASURABLE INTELLIGENCE. I already put it in all-caps several times, and I don’t know how to make it more clear.

**** I made a typically Whitaker observation that no one else thought about: This measurable IQ could have been made higher by Jews who concentrated on that sort of ability, in order to encourage it.

**** In the decades I have been on this IQ business, EVERYBODY has mentioned the probability that Jews have bred for the things that made for a higher IQ, and Jews have a higher MEAURABLE INTELLIGENCE now.

**** Nathaniel Weyl was discussing that in the 1950s, and it wasn’t new THEN.

**** But no one has mentioned even the possibility that a thousand years of the church doing exactly the opposite may have had the opposite effect on us.

**** Except Weyl, who is a Jew. He indicated that white gentiles had pushed their IQ down, and stopped there.

**** If you are an IQ nut, the implications would be, and I know people who fell for it, that Jews are specially bred to rule.

***** According tot hat theory, we are permanently crippled.

**** So our proving that black IQ was lower than white was used to prove Jewish Supremacy.

**** So many of the comments on what I said are correctly replying that IQ is not the only thing here. But in doing so they seem to be saying that I indicated something about IQ I did NOT say.

***** My point is that we are the only NON-ANTS around.

***** What do Jews and Orientals, inthe absense of white gentiles, DO with all that puzzle-solving and reading IQ they have?

***** They study their Ancient Scripts and they stagnate until somebody comes along and burns their Ancient Wisdom.

****** As a matter of simple arithmetic, the church may have lowered our average IQ.

***** That’s an interesting point. But regardless of that, we are still the only humans in town.

***** As LibAnon points out, BIRDS can do what Jews and orientals can do. Ants can do it better.

**** It reminds of what Carleton Putnam said fifty years ago in response to the people who kept saying blacks had much better sense of rythme and were greater athletes than whites:

“Canaries sing beautifully. And every year a HORSE wins the Kentucky Derby.”

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