A moral justification is always offered for betrayal, it’s routine.
These people are always “for” something and “against” something else. They never seem to come to terms with anything beyond this duality.
It is the very thing that is condemned by all great religions and a lesson that is endlessly never learned.
It is a long ways for someone to be confronted with his or her self-interested reasons for betrayal to learning loyalty, and this defines the plight of the white race today.
The world belongs to those who learn loyalty and white nationalism is nothing, if inside it, the ethic of loyalty is facile.
Something has to happen to change this. Some sort of reckoning must transpire, a great upping up the ante regarding the consequences of what is professed and believed.
Keep that in mind when confronting “self-hating white people”.
The underlying issue is bigger than you think.
Dave?
ME:
Traitors lean on being “for” something to justify being against their own people.
But “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do NOTHING.”
A relatively small number of white people put any effort into destroying us. But it is only the even fewer of us who do the fighting who are heavily outnumbered because most whites, while we are being attacked, claim they are being “objective” and “won’t take sides.”
Dante reserved the hottest part of Hell for those, who, in a time of moral crisis, preserved their neutrality.
“Objectivity” is treason.
#1 by Simmons on 05/11/2007 - 8:42 am
It seems our biggest obstacle is that it is profitable for whites
to sell out other whites. Mantra to the rescue it exposes the new
“Liberal White Supremacy.” Part of the reason that there is so much
anti-Jewish sentiment on the left is that the whites thought the Jews
were along for the ride into oblivion when in fact the Jews are always
riding their hosts.
#2 by shari on 05/11/2007 - 10:33 am
Jesus Christ said that those who were neither cold nor hot made him gag, or vomit. Rev.3:16
#3 by Dave on 05/11/2007 - 1:13 pm
I see betrayal as a contagion and a primary mechanism in the art of tyranny. The sheer centrality of this contagion is the reason why the works of George Orwell remain so highly relevant.
I have actually seen parents turn their (non-mentally ill) children in to the police. Can you imagine the devastating impact upon the child?
There is little possibility that any child could recover from the enormity of that. A parent that would do that deserves death.
The most enormous crimes in life are not against the law. That why I sometimes yearn for a return to the era when prosecutors would look the other way and let duels proceed.
A great benefit of the institution of dueling was that it was a mechanism for holding people accountable for the huge area of life that lies outside of what is addressed by the law.
People would be much more careful in their acts if they knew their courage would be called upon in consequence.
Tyranny loves the “get out of jail free card” of the party line. It enables those who are reckless and cowardly to thrive, a situation that defines our society today.
This is the issue that plagues AFKAN and that’s why I have such sympathy for AFKAN. He misconstrues it as being about the Jews but he is suffering from the moral lowness of the contagion of betrayal that is standard in our society.
It is lacerating him and it is in that brand of suffering that new worlds are born.
#4 by Pain on 05/11/2007 - 1:30 pm
“Traitors lean on being “for” something to justify being against their own people.”
This is more helpful than you may realize, Bob; it tells us what they are thinking. They are against us and we should ignore what they say they are “for.”
That they are against all white people is wicked, and as Tim says we should not waste time trying to “save” creeps.
Many people are good at seeming “nice,” so we should not be let down when a “nice” person shows himself to be a creep. By the way, anyone who is against his own people will be an asshole in many other areas too, so don’t get too close. A creep who is against whites will justify his hate by saying what he is for. When he screws you over personally, he will tell everyone how you deserved worse.
When we do argue with creeps, it is for the anyone that may overhear us. Tim got free drinks from some Asians and you can bet that many fence-sitting whites saw that and were moved by what Tim had to say. I bet more people could hear Tim than he thought.
#5 by AFKAN on 05/12/2007 - 2:50 am
[sprung]
The Artist Formerly Known As Nobody replies to Dave:
Good points; I’d like to elaborate on how I see them.
You wrote:
I see betrayal as a contagion and a primary mechanism in the art of tyranny. The sheer centrality of this contagion is the reason why the works of George Orwell remain so highly relevant.
in reply:
“1984” ends with the two former lovers admitted to each other that each has betrayed the other to the secret police.
It also ends with the protagonist looking at a problem he had written in the dust of the able in front of him. It was “2 + 2 = ” Indoctrinated into learned helplessness, he did not know, and stared helplessly at the problem.
That’s how you turn wolves into dogs, and dogs into puppies.
The opening of the Staasi files in East Germany revealed that, essentially, everyone had been spying on everyone else; THAT is the result of imposing an Asiatic system with absolute ruthlessness.
you wrote:
I have actually seen parents turn their (non-mentally ill) children in to the police. Can you imagine the devastating impact upon the child?
There is little possibility that any child could recover from the enormity of that. A parent that would do that deserves death.
in reply:
In the public school system I know of, children in elementary school were all given a “special notebook” where they could write out “any problems they had, particularly at home, and anything that bothered them, particularly at home.” They were NOT encouraged to tell their teachers about these notebooks, which stayed in the desks…
So many of these “conservatives” spoke of the Soviet Union invading America with military force.
Nonsense.
The move toward “Convergence” succeeds without losing a drop of blood, and transforms us into Soviet America. Of course, the Jews control the unified system, particularly the education/indoctrination system…
you wrote:
The most enormous crimes in life are not against the law. That why I sometimes yearn for a return to the era when prosecutors would look the other way and let duels proceed.
A great benefit of the institution of dueling was that it was a mechanism for holding people accountable for the huge area of life that lies outside of what is addressed by the law.
People would be much more careful in their acts if they knew their courage would be called upon in consequence.
in reply:
“The most enormous crimes in life are not against the law”; they are against Life, and the Fundamental Organizing Principles of Human Activity.
Of course, to the Jews, we aren’t human; we are animals, cattle, subhuman goyim.
Thus, under any social order the Jews control, we are specifically blocked from organizing around the most profound principle, RACE.
They aren’t, and our RACIAL Enemies are encouraged to join them, as supporting members.
I have no doubt that our RACIAL Enemies were watching the recent events at Virginia Tech, and smiled as our Children reacted with the impotence they have been trained to believe is “morally superior” to basic damn survival!
you wrote:
Tyranny loves the “get out of jail free card” of the party line. It enables those who are reckless and cowardly to thrive, a situation that defines our society today.
in reply:
We have practiced a deliberately dysgenic policy for the last forty years; indeed, we specifically avoided a eugenic policy, save for the Elite, who walled THEIR Posterity off in private schools.
you wrote:
This is the issue that plagues AFKAN and that’s why I have such sympathy for AFKAN. He misconstrues it as being about the Jews but he is suffering from the moral lowness of the contagion of betrayal that is standard in our society.
It is lacerating him and it is in that brand of suffering that new worlds are born.
Comment by Dave — 5/11/2007 @ 1:13 pm
in reply:
My concern as of late has been focusing on the development of the natural aristocracy that would serve as the Founders of the social order our RACE will need to deal with the situation before us.
I have been criticized for citing Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic as one organization model for such thought, grounding them in a specific context that places our RACE in its proper place.
First.
This exclusively RACIAL focus did wonders for Brigham Young, and those who followed him, all of whom were motivated by the concern on RACIAL development, above all.
Their sole focus was on being one thing, Alone:
First.
#6 by AFKAN on 05/12/2007 - 10:53 am
The Artist Formrely Known As Nobody clarifies his previous post in this thread:
One, of course, I mean that the notebooks in the schools can only be seen by the teachers and support staff; the parents are not told of its existence. Apparently, this is a more commonplace practice than I had thought.
Two, I wrote one sction with a bit less clarity than I would have liked.
To clarify:
I wrote:
My concern as of late has been focusing on the development of the natural aristocracy that would serve as the Founders of the social order our RACE will need to deal with the situation before us.
I have been criticized for citing Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic as one organization model for such thought, grounding them in a specific context that places our RACE in its proper place.
First.
This exclusively RACIAL focus did wonders for Brigham Young, and those who followed him, all of whom were motivated by the concern on RACIAL development, above all.
Their sole focus was on being one thing, Alone:
First.
That SHOULD have been written as:
My concern is the development of the natural aristocracy that would serve as the Founders of the social order our RACE will need to deal with the situation before us.
I have been criticized for citing Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic as one organization model for such ideas, grounding them in a specific context that places our RACE in its proper place. And what is the place of our RACE?
First.
This exclusively RACIAL focus did wonders for Brigham Young, and those who followed him. To a man, they were motivated by the concern on RACIAL development, above all.
Their sole focus was on being one thing, and only one thing, on behalf of their Family, their Families, and their RACE:
First.
This single Greatest Goal moderated many disputes among the Colonists (spelled “Conquerors”), and among their Adversaries.
Their difficulties in just GETTING to Salt Lake hardened them, and disciplined them. Many died, and many more gave all but their life to be a part of what young was accomplishing, against incredibly long odds.
This became “a brutal core” that will be required for all of us, to be developed in our Families, and in ourselves; they became what they wanted the world to become, as the Meritocratic Aristocracy that had passed through the refiner’s fire, and had NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER OF THEIR RIGHT TO LEAD, AND TO RULE, with a disciplined, focused ruthlessness that, today, we would rush to medicate into passivity…
This came about because they had seen the horrific price many around them had paid for abrogating their responsibility to their Family, and their RACE, and built the State of Deseret out of a desert, and around RACIAL DUTY.
This “brutal core” focused on their RACIAL DUTY, which was to rule the world, righteously.
Of course, the touchstone for “righteousness” is not the servile Feminine Christianity that our time and place used to define “righteousness”; it was FAMILY, and the extended FAMILY, and with that, of course, RACE as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture.
Those days will return for us, and they will return sooner – much sooner – than many of us will feel comfortable with…
#7 by AFKAN on 05/12/2007 - 2:54 pm
The Artist Formerly Known As Nobody replies to Dave – again:
Another point that Dave made is worthy of much more comment:
you wrote:
This is the issue that plagues AFKAN and that’s why I have such sympathy for AFKAN. He misconstrues it as being about the Jews but he is suffering from the moral lowness of the contagion of betrayal that is standard in our society.
It is lacerating him and it is in that brand of suffering that new worlds are born.
in reply:
This is a fascinating point that I have only dealt with in a peripheral fashion.
Tom Metzger realized and articulated a point that is echoed repeatedly in “Imperium,” and is worthy of discussion:
THE PARASITE IS A SIGN OF DECAY IN THE ORGANISM.
THE PARASITE MAKES ITSELF KNOWN AT THE PERIPHERY, FIRST, WHERE THE DECAY IS STRONGEST.
We all know of the example of maggots, which were used to clean infected wounds in earlier times; when the flesh healed, the maggots simply left.
Peter Shank made the point that, regardless of what evil the Jews have done – and, as the exact opposite of Christianity AS IT SHOULD BE, they are the very incarnation of Evil on Earth – WE LET WHAT THEY HAVE DONE HAPPEN TO US.
When that began to happen, we began to fall ever deeper into the trap of Sensate Cultures; they then control the pictures we see, and the words we hear. This kicked into high gear with the American Revolution of 1933, and has accelerated ever since.
We should not focus on the parasite per se, as the only power it has is the power it has taken from us – that we LET it take from us.
However, we should be very knowledgeable about the actions and behaviors of the parasite, so that we can cut off its source of nourishment, and see that it is replaced with what WE want, for the good of our Families, and our RACE.