Recently, I stumbled across a Stormfront thread asking the question “Can non-Christians be White Nationalists?” I thought the answer was simple enough but it appears people are much more delusional than I realized. In this thread I saw bickering, arguing, and childish name calling, but really, what more could one expect from Stormfront these days? No, this isn’t what got me interested in this thread, and even writing this. What sparked my interest was the sentiment that, despite one’s genetics, your religion can dictate your race. This astounded me that people would believe this. Religion is an idea, people’s loyalty to this idea do not change their racial make up. If I start quoting the Qu’ran, the Irish blood in my veins isn’t magically transformed into Arab blood by the will of Allah. And yet, this is what people seemed to be implying.
I took this as something of a call to arms, I tried to explain that this was simply idiotic and goes against every fact about race we know. Someone’s race cannot be changed; their DNA lasts with them for their lives and is furthermore passed on to the generations. Once adherence to an idea, whether it may be Islam, Christianity, Paganism, Atheism, Democracy, Communism, Socialism, or even White Nationalism, doesn’t change their genetic make up. As I put it, if a full-blooded Irishman named Seamus O’Brien walks into the new Mosque down the streets and declares the words of Mohammed to be the will of Allah, can someone explain to me how he is anything other than an Irish White man?
The fact of the matter is simply this; an Irishman is all he is and all he ever will be. Regardless of what idea he clings to, his race stays the same. Now, the problem develops that by adopting this new idea, his race takes second place. In our example, Seamus now identifies as a Muslim, not a White man or an Irish man. His culture, folk, nation and family have all taken a backseat to his newfound idea. This is insanity and serves as a huge problem in recruiting Seamus for any kind of racial belief system. He has a new group, a new set of peers, a new law code, a new history. Underneath his turban Seamus is still the Irishman he’s always been, but he is now a slave to the idea that is Islam. Anything short of race is just that, an idea, an abstract thought, a concept, and by clinging to an idea, you lose any sense of racial obligation.
Now after I made this point, I was immediately attacked. Apparently there is a line that once one crosses gets your status as a White person revoked. Again, this is just foolish. The issue of White youths who act like non-Whites, and that as a White Nationalist being loyal to these people was bad. Bad? It is bad to be loyal to people of your own race? Isn’t this the cornerstone of White Nationalism? I then realized what we know as White Nationalism is nothing more than an idea, it’s just as prone to wordism as any other ideology, and in fact all it is wordism. These White Nationalists refused to accept their fellow Whites because these youth’s ideas (that of multiculturalism and diversity) clashed with their idea of White Nationalism. So in effect, what we’ve learned is not even White Nationalists can think racially, but rather think in terms of “my ideology vs theres”. Now I will be the first person to stand against multiculturalism and diversity, these are two very sick and evil things (they are, after all White genocide), but these things are just ideas. They are silly ideas that require some form insanity to believe in. That said, to exclude Whites who believe this and somehow insinuate they are “less than White” is just as idiotic and stupid.
This may seem like common sense, but to the good people (and I use that sarcastically) at Stormfront, I had just made the greatest sin of all. The realization that the world of racial politics is simply a microcosm of the greater struggle began to set in, that these people will cling desperately to their ideas, their books, their flags, their personality cults, and be the first to ship their race up the river. What is wrong with this picture? Pro-Whites who are against Whites, simply because their ideas clash with their holy religion of White Nationalism
#1 by Tim on 09/06/2009 - 9:59 am
Is this William’s first post on Bugs? Brilliant stuff. Fantastic.
In all my time reading this blog, I have never seen anyone GET it so clearly on their first post.
William, that is probably why Horus says:”I don’t believe in any ISM”.
#2 by shari on 09/06/2009 - 11:04 am
Yes and when a white woman has non-white children, she quite simply denies them a white heritage.
#3 by Dave on 09/06/2009 - 12:03 pm
As always, facts don’t matter to Wordists. Forget Irishmen becoming Moslems.
My neighborhood is full of blond blue-eyed Moslems from the Balkans.
Islam, like Christainity, is a big tent, racially speaking.
#4 by backbaygrouch4 on 09/06/2009 - 12:39 pm
By definition any White person can be a WN. In truth so could a Yellow of Black, though one doubts you’ll ever recruit more than a few dafties. But in the particular time and place of our efforts it is unlikely that a winning movement can do without allying with the powerful hold that religion has over people. Yes, Christianity is universal but Christians, even clergy often are not.
Could the Reconquista succeeded without the Church? Ireland’s eight century war for independence was kept alive by the Church. Monsignor Tiso, President of Slovakia, set aside the Church’s universalism to free his people from the Czechs. Poland’s flame stayed bright within the Church when it was crushed outside it. Could the Nederland’s escaped the Habsburg grasp without Calvinism? The real world challenge is to ally with Christianity, which has fought on both sides of many, many wars.
At the present most senior clergy are enamored of the universalism of their faith. This is less so on the local level. Good shepherds identify with their flocks and have often proved the most fanatic partisans for them. Our disgust with today’s collection of Bishops, Synod heads, academics, et al., should not blind us to the notion that to succeed man’s religious nature must be harnessed. And in the US, Europe, Australia, and elsewhere, that means Christianity.
While non-Christians are welcome, some of them are highly suspect. The opponents of White Nationalism will attempt to infiltrate. Lenin advised Communists to become the opposition to snuff it out. More than a generation ago neocons were parachuted into the GOP by the Jew controlled to make it safe for Israel. Not one of them has ever carried a precinct for the Republicans yet they wield great influence. Once WNs reach a threshold expect the same to be attempted. Of course a Jew can be a WN, but more in theory than in practice. Suspicion and caution should be paramount. Do not expect the margins of White Race to provide the support that we need from White Christians.
#5 by NBG on 09/06/2009 - 2:45 pm
The “jew problem” feeds into this question of who is White. Black people see American jews (who are mostly from Europe and Russia) and all they see is White people. Why is that?
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Because they ARE White from a racial perspective. Of course, some jews are middle-eastern (that vague racial type) and some are black or Chinese, but the many jews are just Europeans with slightly larger noses. It takes a black person to see this.
This is something Stormfronters/White racists will never admit because they are shackled by thousands of years of Christian ideology, just as White jews are shackled by thousands of years of their own brand of supremacy into thinking they are so UNIQUE.
Jews don’t see themselves as White because they are too exclusive. They are a wannabe race.
Whites don’t see jews as Whites because they are too exclusive. They do not assimilate to White norms and are hostile to Whites.
Racially, however, European jews are merely a subset of the White race and have benefitted from thousands of years of gene hijacking in Europe.
#6 by Simmons on 09/06/2009 - 5:04 pm
I’ll put this wordism to the ground.
Does it help our evolution? Islam is pure dreck for those with an IQ of about 90 who pray for stagnation. The other wordist claptrap “ology(s)” not much better.
#7 by shari on 09/06/2009 - 7:10 pm
I appreciate what Backbay says because religion is very powerful, and can slip into wordism without noticing. One reason that is it so powerful is that there is so much truth passed down, I think. Vehement non-christians are not likely to be any more stable than religious fanatics. But, the examples he gives of our past are white too, aren’t they?
#8 by backbaygrouch4 on 09/06/2009 - 9:24 pm
Re: Shari. Perhaps I was less than clear. Yes, all the examples are of White subgroups versus White subgroups, though the Reconquista can be understood on racial grounds. The point is that, for example, Monsignor Tiso did not say, “We’re all Christians, can’t we just get along?” He abandoned universalism and said. “Czechs, you have no place in the land of the Slovaks.” Sounds pretty unChristian to me, but only if you understand Christianity, or any universal religion, solely in terms of its universalism. When the chips are down a good shepherd identifies with his flock. We need this.
An overt anti religious stance could be fatal to our cause. Our enemies seek to divide Whites. The most obvious rift in America is the Protestant/Catholic divide. This is crucial. In the immigration bill last session that won and then lost, the swing votes, [the ones that at first were for reform and later against it] were mostly Catholic. Reagan won by peeling away Catholic ethnics from the New Deal coalition. For a practical, precinct level, winning plan, we cannot prevail without a Christian identification. That does not preclude an alliance with others, an acceptance of others, but we must remember that America has a Christian self image that cannot be ignored or offended. It must be harnessed.
#9 by Tim on 09/06/2009 - 9:44 pm
I agree with Horus. We need a supernatural Aryan like Zeus. He can announce that HE is the father of Jesus. Slam some lightning bolts around to straighten out the lost aryans. And put us back on track. We need something like that to put an end to wordism once and for all (or at least for a while…:>))
It would be comedy to see what would happen if Aryans from another world landed on Earth. The Anti-Racist Aryans would be either be devastated or declare them racist Martians.
The White Nationalist Christians would give them 24 hours to convert to Christianity or else we declare war on the heathens.
The Jews would team up with the Anti-Racist Aryans and demand immigration be opened up to non-Aryans to the homogeneous Aryan planet.
White Evangelicals would declare the white martians to be children of the antichrist.
(if any extraterrestrial Aryans are reading the internet and find us here on Bugs—-for a trip out of here —WE CAN SAVE YOU LOADS OF TROUBLE!)