Adelheim & Lord Nelson discussing debate tactics. They welcome your responses in text or audio.
Lord Nelson and Adelheim Part 1
Lord Nelson and Adelheim Part 2
Lord Nelson and Adelheim Part 3
Lord Nelson and Adelheim Part 4
Lord Nelson and Adelheim Part 5 21-03-2011
Adelheim and Creator Part 6 Adelheim and Creator go over recent Mantra activities in Iceland
#1 by dungeoneer on 01/30/2011 - 11:27 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7QfyktN9MM
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How many people in that crowd were hardcore “Anti-racists”(anti-Whites)?
Do we wish English wish to live in ever-shrinking ghettos to be eliminated at leisure by the malevelont 3rd world colonists?
Yes,the revolution has begun.
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I don`t know how I missed those mistakes before hitting the post button,still,the intent is obvious.
“In for the kill” indeed eh BUGSTERS?
#2 by Genseric on 01/30/2011 - 4:47 pm
Asking the Question:
Why has “The Revolution” necessarily begun? What does a REAL revolution look like? Do people USE the word ‘revolution’ when they are engaging in or planning such a thing?
If the revolution were a full-blown episode of projectile vomiting, would the range of current events not be a simple case of the hiccups?
How can we shape the national political debate on current affairs in the mid-east to include Genocide against Europeans and European Americans?
#3 by dungeoneer on 01/30/2011 - 6:18 pm
The revolution has begun because the BUGS army is getting out there and throwing down the gauntlet and the anti-Whites are folding like cheap suits.
“Do people USE the word ‘revolution’ when they are engaging in or planning such a thing?”
Is being pro-White and anti-White genocide not a revolutionary position in the current political set-up?
“How can we shape the national political debate on current affairs in the mid-east to include Genocide against Europeans and European Americans?”
By inserting our talking points into those discussions?
#4 by Genseric on 01/30/2011 - 7:26 pm
The whole World will know once it is actually a quote revolution unquote.
The point is, there will be NO question about it. Thus, there will be no reason to make an assertion that it is, in fact, a webolution. Oops, I mean revolution. F&ck!
I said it again. Shyte. Oh well.
Until the above actually happens, I will continue to promote the idea that Genocide against Whites is actually happening and maintain my Pro-White stance. After all, we still “play baseball” ’round these parts.
“Do NOT call it a Revolution.”
#5 by dungeoneer on 01/30/2011 - 7:52 pm
“Do NOT call it a Revolution.”
I only used the word to subvert their video.
Not that I see anything wrong with saying that I want a pro-White revolution to take place.
#6 by dungeoneer on 01/30/2011 - 8:01 pm
“I will continue to promote the idea that Genocide against Whites is actually happening ”
Do NOT call it an “idea”.
It is documented fact.
#7 by Genseric on 01/30/2011 - 8:13 pm
You are correct. That idea is indeed a fact. That was a huge oversight on my part. Thank you for catching that. I owe you one.
#8 by dungeoneer on 01/30/2011 - 12:06 pm
Anti-White:
“I believe in diversity”
Pro-White:
“Ah,diversity.”
“Diversity is a codeword for less White children is it not?
#9 by Dave on 01/30/2011 - 12:27 pm
The exchange between Aldeheim and LN is excellent, with excellent advice. Also, the exchange did a good job of surfacing the illogic of the “we are all mankind” cult of Political Correctness.
I will add that we must not assume equality with our adversaries. You have to make the accusation of their criminality, e.g., that their perspective is (1) deformed and criminal and (2) illegal under the most basic, indisputably established and universality recognized international law (The Geneva Conventions prohibiting genocide).
Also, we must not fail to make assurances to our adversaries that they are destined to suffer justice for the hideous criminality they advocate.
It is necessary not only to attack their illogic, but also to leave them feeling personally threatened. They cannot be left off the hook morally. They are the minions of dictatorship.
Attitude and posture (personal bearing) trump all argument. Life isn’t about argument. It is about resistance to the dominion of criminals, loyalty to one’s own people, and the salvation of personal dignity. All are woven in the same cloth.
#10 by OldBlighty on 01/30/2011 - 12:27 pm
Thanks for sharing these tips with us.
I used to watched Lord Nelson over at SF and marveled at how he seemed to toy with the anti-whites in Opposing Views, while I was still raging at them. Now I understand part of what he was doing.
It just goes to show you, that BUGS is the only game in town, when it comes to learning and applying practical pro white politics.
#11 by Creator on 01/30/2011 - 12:55 pm
Thank you, both, very much for kind words.
This is brilliant and from 2 seasoned Experts in White Survival. I do hope that you expand on this more as this is a wonderful teaching tool.
Especially if done, like Dave says, and taken all the way. IMO, that is the true beauty of the Mantra. It takes it right to their own evil anti-White person, hooks them hard and haul them up to be exposed to BIG Laws.
Big Laws that carry a Big stick….. 😀
“I’m loving this war!”
#12 by 4MyNation on 01/30/2011 - 2:39 pm
My exchanges with Anti-Whites will never be the same.
#13 by Adelheim_ on 01/30/2011 - 3:31 pm
Thanks for the comments 🙂
Anyone want to join?
Creator? You could talk about how you handled being interviewed.
#14 by Genseric on 01/30/2011 - 5:32 pm
“Are you a racist?”
“Define racism for me.”
“Someone who hates somebody else by the color of their skin.”
“By your definition I am not racist. But I want to ask you now, Are you brainwashed?”
HAHA! That’s great. Maybe try, “What is it like to be brainwashed?” Keep up the great work, folks.
Let the interrogations begin.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. What exactly are the “seven soldiers” of debate/interrogation. So far I have who, what, where, why and when…
#15 by Lord Nelson on 01/30/2011 - 5:56 pm
Genseric
I could not remember the full 7 soldiers right there and then. But I think the 2 your missing are How & Which.
Not used to debating over the phone so I feel I did not stay on message too well. However, we are looking at a more consistent strategy that draws a lot more on the mantra.
#16 by Genseric on 01/30/2011 - 7:42 pm
Thank you very much, sir.
I learned a great deal from the lively “mock exchange.” Your information is a product which will surely be enjoyed by all.
Dankeschön!
I took the liberty of adding three of my own. While they do not really help formulate a question or a set of questions, they do achieve an end through making a demand of the anti-White.
They are:
– “explain…”
– “tell me…”
– “tell the court exactly (insert seven soldiers here)…”
Of course, one could always insert the word ‘please’ if they are feeling especially ‘tolerant.’
#17 by dungeoneer on 01/31/2011 - 6:50 am
“Not used to debating over the phone so I feel I did not stay on message too well”
You did fine.You`re a much better spokesman than I would be Lord Nelson.
I`ve taken your advice on improving that one-liner of mine you quoted:
Why do “anti-racists”(anti-Whites) see White children as expendable assets to be sacrificed on the altar of multi-racialism?
#18 by Creator on 01/31/2011 - 10:59 am
Anytime, Adelheim.
You can PM me on White News Now Forum or on my youtube channel with information, for example.
What ever it takes.
#19 by Peter Whiterabbit on 02/01/2011 - 9:46 am
I will definitely use more questions. Thanks for the tips!
Lord Nelson, you use the term “anti-white racist”. I believe the term “anti-white” is more effective. Using the word “racist” waters down OUR term “anti-white” by making racist the pejorative. I think this is an important point and would like to hear your opinion.
#20 by Lord Nelson on 02/01/2011 - 2:42 pm
Peter Whiterabbit
I think there maybe some confusion on this issue.
The message is ‘Anti-White’.
However. IMO. Once you break off into a one-on-one dialog with an Anti-White, just label the b@stards any way you want to. While still sticking to the basic message of Genocide etc…
Maybe Bob has an opinion on this. Or if people strongly feel it’s wrong, I will change it.
Not a big deal either way.
#21 by Gavin on 02/01/2011 - 3:10 pm
Lord Nelson, your advice on using questions is fantastic. I’ve been doing that and destroying anti-whites. It’s amazing I think that because these people have never had to play defense (and are in an indefenceable position) your offensive tactics just nail them.
#22 by dungeoneer on 02/01/2011 - 4:10 pm
I agree with Peter.
“Anti-White” is the “line in the sand”.
We can still make the “racist” point by pointing out the contradictions inherent in the “anti-racism”.
#23 by Peter Whiterabbit on 02/01/2011 - 4:14 pm
We are attempting to correlate the term anti-racist and the actions of anti-racism with anti-white so if we use racist, it invalidates our argument. Since our words are critical, I wanted to bring it up for discussion.
#24 by Gavin on 02/01/2011 - 4:59 pm
I think that saying anti-white racist, gives credence to the whole concept of using “racist” as an attack word. In essence we are playing on their terms rather than are own. What we are trying to do is destroy the whole concept of “racism” and calling someone a “racist” only strengthens that concept.
#25 by Lord Nelson on 02/01/2011 - 5:31 pm
Peter Whiterabbit
Looks so far like I am out voted.
Gavin
How about using their own attack word against them?
#26 by Lord Nelson on 02/01/2011 - 6:40 pm
Okay point taken.
From now on it will be ‘Anti-White’ ONLY 🙂
#27 by Lord Nelson on 02/01/2011 - 7:50 pm
We are looking at recording another show were me Adelheim and maybe a third person will talk live over skype. While we read out Anti-White comments and reply to them on youtube.
All feedback is appreciated. So please let us know what you think of the idea.
#28 by rdc75 on 02/06/2011 - 4:38 am
Please note that the proprietary .wma format cannot be played by many mp3-players, car-stereos and computers.
Please use the mp3-format, I think I’m not the only person who cannot listen to wma files in the car.
Thank you very much.
#29 by Adelheim_ on 02/27/2011 - 6:00 pm
A new part is up on BUGS Radio (in mp3).
#30 by Lord Nelson on 03/02/2011 - 11:55 am
Thought I had just better clarify a couple of things I said in ‘Part 3’.
First. I was wrong about what I said about James Edwards at the beginning of the recording:
James was only making an observation and not suggesting something to use in a debate. We don’t rehears the recordings. And in the heat of the moment, I was just trying to think of an example for a point I was trying to make.
Also. Around 25 minuets in. I said something like ‘If it’s only about adopting a Black child, who could argue with that’:
I was actually referring to a UK advertising campaign where you commit to sending a few ££s a month to this charity. And they use the money to help a particular child over in the third world. According to the campaign, the child stays in their own third world country. But you do get a postcard 😉
(I was not suggesting it was fine to bring another non-White into your White country)
There are many of these campaigns. They are titled ‘Adopt a Bengal Tiger’ or ‘Adopt an African Orphan’ etc.
And while we are at it.
Having heard the recording again. I promise to find a new analogy, to replace the one I keep using about the guy who stole my car! 🙂
LN
#31 by dungeoneer on 03/02/2011 - 3:42 pm
Listening again to it now.
The bit I`m after is the “choices” discussion.
#32 by dungeoneer on 03/02/2011 - 4:51 pm
Yep,hard-hitting and useful discussion,LN.
#33 by Creator on 03/02/2011 - 6:38 pm
Very good!!! Lots of useful info.
Thanks guy’s – loved it.
#34 by 4MyNation on 03/03/2011 - 2:03 am
Thanks guys, damn fine work!
#35 by Peter Whiterabbit on 03/03/2011 - 11:11 am
Some prowhites obsess over black crime stats but that battle was won long ago. Everyone knows blacks commit a tremendously disproportionate number of crimes wherever they live. The prowhites who insist on bringing up black crime are like people who still feel the need to prove that Galileo was right.
#36 by Genseric on 03/03/2011 - 6:43 pm
First, thank you for bringing up the deflection techniques. It is a system of debate tactics which is rooted in not addressing or dealing with your opponents questions/comments/etc… It’s almost as simple as and not much more clever than the age old, childhood “I’m rubber, you’re glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you” mantra.
I do want to clarify something though. Those quotations you referenced in the radio program are quotations from a political debate forum where different techniques are discussed. They are not original summations written by yours truly. Thus, the reason for the double quotes. However, I have personally encountered every single one of those tactics in YouTube forums alone.
Keep up the great work, folks.
Signed,
Always here and working to earn my keep
#37 by Genseric on 03/03/2011 - 7:25 pm
@LN
And your articulation of the many facets of the false dilemma test is superior to any I have read. I truly enjoyed how you illustrated this by citing the pro-immigration/hate-filled Nazi example.
I honestly believe you are on to something with this series of podcasts.
#38 by Frank on 03/06/2011 - 9:42 pm
LN or Adelheim … perhaps you should pump up the volume on your line-in to whatever you’re recording on.
When I top out all my volume controls, it’s still pretty quiet.
FYI
#39 by BoardAd on 03/07/2011 - 10:22 am
New show posted. Check it out!
#40 by Creator on 03/07/2011 - 5:28 pm
Nuggets of Gold in there, nuggets of Gold 😀
Thanks guys!!!
#41 by dungeoneer on 03/07/2011 - 5:50 pm
Very good tips there LN.
Label and accuse the enemy with extreme prejudice.
http://forum.gainesville.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9174&p=47671#p47671
by Harley1 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:36 pm
Those aren’t real people, just voices in your head. The man in the white coat can make them go away. The coat color is all that counts in your case, don’t let his skin color make a difference. Trust him, trust the candy he has for you.
by savethegroup » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:15 pm
As a dedicated anti-White,do you ever feel like you are acting like the pied piper,trying to entice White children to follow you anti-White traitors into demographic extermination?
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The rabid anti-Whites in that thread will happily just “hamster-wheel” past absolutely anything posted by us with their usual references to meth addicts etc
but let them run the thread on like the good little anti-White desbots they are!
#42 by Lord Nelson on 03/10/2011 - 5:43 pm
dungeoneer
Admiral Horatio Nelson:
“The Anti-White did not lose much honour, for God knows they had not much to lose – but they lost all they had.”
😉
#43 by Lord Nelson on 03/10/2011 - 6:04 pm
Below are some quotes by the real Admiral Nelson. A true Warrior and Hero:
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“Let me alone: I have yet my legs and one arm. Tell the surgeon to make haste and his instruments. I know I must lose my right arm, so the sooner it’s off the better.”
* After being wounded during the attack on Santa Cruz de Tenerife (July 24. 1797)
It is warm work; and this day may be the last to any of us at a moment. But mark you! I would not be elsewhere for thousands.
* At the Battle of Copenhagen (2 April 1801)
“To leave off action? Well, damn me if I do! You know, Foley, I have only one eye,— I have a right to be blind sometimes . . . I really do not see the signal!
* Life of Nelson (Ch. 7): At the battle of Copenhagen, Ignoring Admiral Parker’s signal to retreat, holding his telescope up to his blind eye, and proceeding to victory against the Danish fleet. (2 April 1801)
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I got a feeling if this guy was around today, he would take great pleasure in annihilating the Anti-Whites!
#44 by dungeoneer on 03/10/2011 - 6:51 pm
I reckon The SeaKing must be smiling at our sinking of the enemy ships even if we are nowadays forced to do so as “privateers”.
🙂
#45 by Gavin on 03/10/2011 - 6:06 pm
Each one of these is absolutely brilliant. Great tips in each. I have been incorporating them into my online arguments. Thanks guys!
#46 by jeffphansen77 on 09/11/2011 - 2:52 am
One of you asked in the audio how this anti-white ideology got going all across western civilization at roughly the same time.
Might I humbly suggest that you take an in-depth look at the Frankfurt School? The Frankfurt School founded Cultural Marxism, or “political correctness” in it’s popular form. They’re the Godfathers of the whole anti-white, anti-Western Civilization paradigm.
In my opinion, the pro-white community never spent enough time dissecting this movement & it’s aims. Oftentimes, simply showing how ideas were created & disseminated serves to debunk them somewhat.
Using the term “Cultural Marxism” to refer to an anti-white’s position forces them to either accept the negative baggage of the label or to try to shake the label off. Most have never heard of the actual historical school & have only heard the name.
#47 by Lord Nelson on 09/16/2011 - 2:58 pm
jeffansen77
Yes I am aware of the Frankfurt school. But it’s still amazing to me that this desire for each White nation to do away with itself, could take such a hold over the minds of ALL our leaders.
I personally believe that for the first few decades our side did not really appreciate that we were even under attack. And that even today, a lot of Pro-Whites still have the mind of abused children who just can not accept how much our own leaders actually hate us.
It is fun to point out to an Anti-White the cultural marxists who invented the crap that is now inside their heads. I started a thread to that effect on SF some time ago.
Anyhow, hope you liked the podcasts, and thanks for the comment.
LN
#48 by jeffphansen77 on 09/17/2011 - 6:44 am
The Frankfurt school & it’s first-wave products were about much more than an array of philosophical musings on social issues. A large part of what they were about was the then-new subject of social engineering. They weren’t cranking out semi-objective critiques of western culture. They were deliberately setting out to subvert western culture from the start & didn’t hide this fact. They saw themselves as a socio-cultural extention of the economic & political Marxism that had failed to give them the revolution it had promised.
They had an open agenda to aggressively spread their ideas & spent a lot of effort working out how to best do this. This is the aspect of the Frankfurt school that is never adequately mentioned in mainstream treatments of the school despite it’s being an open goal in their literature. It’s views are mentioned but rarely ever it’s proposed tactics. Propagandizing on a large scale to change western culture was their explicit goal (remember Marx’s famous quote: “Until now, the philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it.”).
It’s uncanny to skim the breadth of the Frankfurt school’s various focuses while remembering what came just a few decades later. Feminism, the gay agenda, the race crap, grievances against western culture, attacks on the nuclear family, ect. Almost nothing outside of their critique was part of the big “social revolution”. Every single subject of their critiques was. Straight, white western families & values were the targets in every instance.
It only took a generation or two under those professors &, later, a sympathetic media, to get big results. A West reeling from the shock & demoralization of WW2 was ripe for the picking.
Anyways, sorry to ramble on (energy drinks do this to me). It’s a pet subject of mine.Thanks a bunch for the podcasts. Put out more of them so I can shut up & learn. I really appreciate what you do & have found your arguments handy several times. Thanks again & keep it up!
#49 by POLARBEAR87j on 05/17/2013 - 10:20 am
Maybe lord nelson or Adelheim has a copy of the first two episodes of bugs radio and could upload them again…?
#50 by Lord Nelson on 05/17/2013 - 3:57 pm
POLARBEAR87
I really have no idea how or why the first 2 disappeared. And I could not find them on my computer.
If anyone out there has a copy of them, please send them in to be put back up.
LN