The really hard part of the budget crisis in the white world is steadily making it worse. More and more people like me have sizable pensions and will be living on them for decades to come.
If we had not had the Green Fashion in the 60s and 70s and 80s and up to now, the normal increase in white population would have solved at least half of this problem. But as whites opened up their borders and closed down their maternity wards, those of us who were out of fashion were saying that it was fun to follow a guy with a guitar singing about Beloved Mother Nature and How Many Roads Must a Man Walk Down.
In all the Love and Peace and Tolerance, anybody who pointed out that we would have to PAY for this crap was strictly not cool.
So we now have what any adult would have seen in my youth. The problem was, of course, there were no adults in the Greatest Generation and the Boomers it raised. They all wanted to be seen as really hep and Kids At Heart.
They succeeded. Nobody above the mental age of ten would have made the world they did.
So now we have what those of us who look down on Martin Luther the King said we would.
We have a mass of old whites who inherited a First World standard of living from the generations prior to the Weakest Generation. It never occurred to any of them that these “sacrifices” for the third world and Mother Earth would be borne by THEM.
It was fashionable to say that the problems predicted by a few like me would not happen and to actually believe since no one, least of all the membership of the NAACP, ever actually BELIEVED that non-whites would ever produce anything but a third world economy, that they would be safely dead before the bill came in.
So we have a huge population of voters with first-world expectations in retirement money sitting on top of a population that is only counting time before it becomes a third-world population.
Which is what WE said.
In fact, this reality has developed so much over the past two generations that even a few isolated PROFESSIONAL COMMENTATORS have mentioned it.
These old white people VOTE. And in real politics, that is all that matters.
They vote, like good Weakest Generation types, for anything Mommy Professor declares Politically Correct.
But only if that one thing is Politically Correct
All that bullshit about the Beloved Environment and Our Black Brethren is fine as long as it doesn’t affect OUR MONEY. AARP makes a practical tradeoff with Mommy Professor’s kids: Our giant vote supports your causes and you make sure we get a first world retirement level until your world accepts ITS third-world status.
#1 by rdc75 on 04/05/2011 - 8:24 am
These old white people, especially the childless ones live under the delusion that they can vote themselves a comfortable pension from an omnipotent state. Of course that will never happen because no generation will be willing to enslave itself to work for childless people in nursing-homes, even if those are the “democratic majority”. Any political system will break down long before that will happen, simply because all the money in the world is worthless without people who can get things done.
The sad part is that many White Nationalists just don’t “get it” or maybe pretend not to get it.
For example when Horus sais in his White-Rabbit podcast that “Whites don’t need a high birthrate”, this tells me two things:
First, Horus is a childless male who wants to dedicate his life for some great cause and leave the bearing and raising of children strictly to OTHER Whites. Changing diapers and driving to school is clearly beneath Horus, that is for the “proles”, he is above such mundane things. He wants to get fame and glory.
Second, the whole “social system” has to go down for the White Race to survive. Only when millions of old childless people literally starve to death will Horus stop viewing children as some theoretical concept (i.e. something for OTHERS, or maybe something for LATER, but by God not for him, now) and start thinking about really saving the White race, which begins at insuring the survival of his own family.
The whole nanny-state has not become a cancer it always was a cancer and there never was a chance that it could work in the long term. We Whites had the privilege to be always able to choose the easy route, the short-term bandaid to cover up incredibly stupid and incredibly expensive decisions. This was possible mainly because of cheap oil, but that era is ending. And it’s a good think it is ending, because a White people needs a challenge and is not adapted to the nanny-state.
I think Bob’s writings is full of wisdom and truth, but they are nevertheless based on the assumtion of exponential growth and an omnipotent state. That era is over. We have to get it through our collective skulls that we will soon live in a world that will burn 2-3% less oil every year (and that’s optimistic). Why do you think all the arab states are now in chaos? Do you really belive the mainstream-media that the people have tolerated dictators for decades and now all of the sudden protest them? No, it was rising food-prices and ONLY rising food-prices. Do you really believe the MSM that these countries will become “stable democracies”? No, food-prices will keep rising and the harsh reality is that there are just too many Arabs and starvation and war will reduce the population until the carrying capacity is reached. In other words it will take a very long time until Egypt is “stable” again. Right now, food-prices are still not high enough to really affect the inhabitants of the region formerly known as the first world, but they keep rising.
What do you think will happen when there just is not enough food for everybody and the majority in the nursing-homes votes everybody under 60 into starvation? Will the young people say “well, too bad, but I accept the democratic will” and crawl into their bed to starve?
Therefore it does not matter at all what these childless old people vote, because the state is so bankrupt that the question who is president is about as important as who is emperor in the Roman Empire about 450 A.D. The whole system does not work and is falling apart. You cannot suspend the laws of nature by voting. A majority of childless people may vote a minority into slavery, but the vote is meaningless without policemen and the military who execute the orders.
The point is, that the times of “revolutions” led by childless messiases is over: There is nothing left to steal, there is nothing left to “take over”, only debt and impossible promises. The “voters” always ask for honest politicians, but they will never vote for one, because the only honest answer is that past promises will not be fullfilled because they are not fullfillable. A new dark age is upon us and decadent, barren revolutionaries like Horus are about as needed and as useful as college professors.
What we need are leaders who build up, not tear down and that includes THEIR OWN family.
We need an elite that is not just able to replace itself naturally, but to GROW naturally.
In other words: We need a healthy elite who doesn’t view “White children” as some theoretic concept that is about OTHER people, which by the way always leads to those do-gooder missionary-types, but instead one that views “White children” as a synonym for their own biological children.
The sooner the state falls, the better for us. The state is a parasite that we no longer can afford.
The good news is that Whites by and large control the food supply and don’t need any other races for survival. The people and races who cannot “pull their own weight” will disappear like the population of Rome: It went from over a million (a large majority decendents of slaves and dependent on free food deliveries from North Africa, history seems to repeat itself all the time…) to about 10000 after the collapse. So you can imagine that after nature has cleared out all the dead wood, the demographics will be very different.
So, guys, don’t worry about “becoming a minority”, that won’t happen, because the state will not live that long and nature will restore Darwinism long before that.
Our problem is decadence, people who say “White people don’t need a high birth-rate”, people who think they can build a healthy culture out of skinheads and thugs, people who always want something for nothing, people who want to take over other people’s work, institutions and CHILDREN. We do absolutely not need any “revolutionaries” because revolutionaries by definition want to take over instead of build up and after about a century of revolution there is not much left to take over.
Of course it’s much more “fun” to phantasize about taking over the government and “fixing the problems”, but that won’t work. That would be like tinkering with the engine of the Titanic after it has already hit the iceberg. The only thing that will work is to start from scratch, to build up, to create.
Our future lies in small, hard-working, independent communities led by a healthy elites that are able to raise real (= biological) families with strong morals.
Leftism is a rebellion against nature and nature is about to return.
#2 by Creator on 04/05/2011 - 3:24 pm
I thought that I was on Stormfront there for a minute when I read you post, ufff, chilly.
Constructive criticism – By all means, learn it and use it, among other pro-Whites and, especially, among Mantra warriors. We get more than enough negativity from anti-Whites at the front lines.
As for the rest of it….. you must be joking because I got a good laugh. 😀
#3 by Dave on 04/05/2011 - 9:26 am
The real problem is that there is no “our money” because there is no “our country”.
Where’s home? Answer: YOU DON’T HAVE ONE.
Now there are a lot of people in this world who care about issues like this but I am not one of them. I figure the wild world comes first which means one ought to pay attention to the gunfire outside their door. And maybe I am not like most other people but it makes me infuriatingly angry that the coroner gives a pass (the pass that says, “Don’t bother to investigate”) to all these bodies that come in of people who shouldn’t be dead. But that is just me being a goofball white person not able to come to terms with living in the third world. Nevertheless, as long as I myself am not one of those that the coroner is passing through, I am committed to keeping my sense of humor lest my tendency to become resentful gets out of hand.
So there are a whole lot of fundamental misunderstandings going on and that is where things very interesting. It has to do with who the wild world gets turned over to.
This is something inconceivable to all the backward looking folks of today. It is just something the white race has to get over and WILL get over. It is one of those things that slowly creep up.
And that is what makes BUGS such a fascinating place. We BUGSTERS are in the vanguard, meaning “the budget deficit” is the least of our worries.
#4 by Genseric on 04/05/2011 - 5:55 pm
[quote]And maybe I am not like most other people but it makes me infuriatingly angry that the coroner gives a pass (the pass that says, “Don’t bother to investigate”) to all these bodies that come in of people who shouldn’t be dead. [/quote]
What exactly are you referring to here?
#5 by dungeoneer on 04/05/2011 - 9:38 am
rdc75:
“I think Bob’s writings is full of wisdom and truth, but they are nevertheless based on the assumtion of exponential growth and an omnipotent state”
With all due respect,I think you need to read Bob`s work again.
Bob has repeatedly pointed out that our race when left to their own devices WITHOUT an over-greedy meddling tax-stealing state machinery will always create an abundance.It`s what white people do.
Increasing population growth has never been a limitation for us even before the industrial revolution,and as for “Energy Crises” Bob repeatedly points out that it is bunkum used BY THE OPPOSITION to scare the little people into accepting more bureaucratic machinery and tax-theft.
#6 by dungeoneer on 04/05/2011 - 10:25 am
“With all due respect”
Scrub that,I should have read the rest of your essay before posting.
So let`s recap,a few weeks ago you were telling us “It`s all about the economics stoopid”,now we have “It`s all about Peak Oil and child-rearing”.
All standard arguments of the anti-whites in response to the Mantra.
#7 by rdc75 on 04/05/2011 - 11:47 am
Bob has repeatedly said that fusion-power will solve all energy-problems, which is just wishful thinking that our energy consumtion can keep growing exponentially. Fusion power has been “just around the corner” for I think over 50 years now and we don’t even have a prototype that can produce energy. Even if a breakthrough were made tomorrow (a big if), it would be decades too late to make an impact on the problems we face because of lack of oil.
The part about the omnipotent state is in response to: “More and more people like me have sizable pensions and will be living on them for decades to come.”
This will just not happen because the state cannot magically create the ressources for “more and more” people. No matter how “sizable” the pension is, if there is not enough food, the food will be so expensive that old people will have to depend on their children. The state cannot suspend the laws of nature. Just because the central bank prints more zeroes on paper will not increase production.
When Bob says that the pension system will continue “for decades to come”, then this is just an assumtion that the state can keep all the promises that politicians have made in the last decades, which is just plain impossible. The politicians have promised heaven on earth and only an omnipotent state will be able to deliver that. Any honest politician will immediately lose because he would have to tell people that their pension will not be “sizable” but a lot more meager than they thought.
Our strength has always been honesty, not absurd self-aggrandizement. We are not demigods who automagically “create an abundance” and “don’t need a high birth-rate”. Despite our talents we are still people and bound to the laws of nature.
#8 by dungeoneer on 04/05/2011 - 1:34 pm
rdc75:
“we don’t even have a prototype that can produce energy”
Wrong,we have prototypes that don`t currently produce a significant net gain in energy compared to their energy input.
Not the same thing at all,and a big leap forward in technological terms from the position decades ago.
“Fusion power has been “just around the corner” for I think over 50 years now ”
As Bob says,there is strong opposition to fusion power-it would overnight bury the other power generation industries,Big Oil, as well as the eco windmills and “carbon trading” scams.
Because of that opposition,the funding for Fusion power has so far been miniscule compared to the atomic bomb and space programs.
rdc75:
“The part about the omnipotent state is in response to: “More and more people like me have sizable pensions and will be living on them for decades to come.”
Well that`s reaching because obviously what Bob is saying is that there is an EXPECTATION from all these oldsters that their pensions will be carrying on but as Bob points out in the article,the ability to fund those pensions has been destroyed by the anti-white policies of immigration and childlessness.
#9 by rdc75 on 04/05/2011 - 5:25 pm
“the ability to fund those pensions has been destroyed by the anti-white policies of immigration and childlessness.”
Exactly.
But voting will not change that fact. Not one bit.
#10 by shari on 04/05/2011 - 9:57 am
Time is not going to be divided into election cycles much longer, Thank God.
#11 by H.Avenger on 04/05/2011 - 10:10 am
“For example when Horus sais in his White-Rabbit podcast that “Whites don’t need a high birthrate”, this tells me two things:
First, Horus is a childless male who wants to dedicate his life for some great cause and leave the bearing and raising of children strictly to OTHER Whites. Changing diapers and driving to school is clearly beneath Horus, that is for the “proles”, he is above such mundane things. He wants to get fame and glory.
Second, the whole “social system” has to go down for the White Race to survive. Only when millions of old childless people literally starve to death will Horus stop viewing children as some theoretical concept (i.e. something for OTHERS, or maybe something for LATER, but by God not for him, now) and start thinking about really saving the White race, which begins at insuring the survival of his own family.”
Well you are incorrect on several fronts. First off, I said our race does not need to out breed non whites. And I used the specific example of White Sharks not needing to out breed seals. What we have to do is end the political correct system that refuses to allow us to defend our ethnic interest. And this system also refuses to allow us a country of our own.
I believe you are being disingenuous in your interpretation of what actually was said on the podcast.
Anyone that listens to my podcast will get my perspective on how much land our race is sitting on. Europe, British Isles, Russia, All of North America, not to mention Australia and New Zealand. I have went over this a few times from a few different directions. Anyone that actually listens knows this already. But this is important to keep in mind when someone in charge is trying to kill you. And when birthrates have slacked lower to say the least (refer to previous statement).
Anyone that listens knows the point I was making in regards to birthrates. You can have all the babies you want. But until we end White Rabbit GeNOcide ….they will not be safe. Simply because it is damn near illegal to defend our ethnic interests. (and in some areas it is illegal)
“He wants to get fame and glory.”
I believe this is another snide and disingenuous statement. Considering the fact that you have never met me. You do not even know my real name. But you are some expert on my life??
My podcast clearly pissed you off…at least enough to get you to waste your time attacking someone you do not know. Maybe that is an accomplishment!
By the way, I have not dedicated my life to some great cause. I only have a podcast. This podcast is not two years old. There are only 60+ of them. But I am glad that they can rub fools the wrong way.
And I cannot ever remember offering myself up as a leader. Hell, I don’t believe our race needs “saving” in the WN sense. Our race needs only to find it’s voice. They can do many things for themselves. After all, they are still white.
“Horus stop viewing children as some theoretical concept ….. insuring the survival of his own family.”
This is a laughable idiotic assessment that has no basis in realty. I have as much to worry about in this area as the next guy…….
#12 by rdc75 on 04/05/2011 - 12:33 pm
Horus: “You can have all the babies you want.”
How exactly am I wrong when I said: “Horus is a childless male who wants to dedicate his life for some great cause and leave the bearing and raising of children strictly to OTHER Whites.”
This is exactly the point.
Also, the habit of calling children “babies” is also typical of our anti-offspring society: Your children will only be babies for a very short time and will grow into real persons which you will have a much closer relationship than with any friend, ally or wife. It is not about “babies”, but real people who have a personality with skills and talents.
A healthy society would never call children collectively “babies”. A healthy society sees children as heirs, as people who can help you at work and will care for you in old-age.
Only a decadent and truly society can call all children “babies”, basically a human pet. If I would see children as “babies”, I also would not have any.
Maybe if you stop thinking about “babies” and start thinking about real people (actually the ONLY people) that you can truly trust you can understand what I am talking about.
I said: “Horus stop viewing children as some theoretical concept ….. insuring the survival of his own family.”
Horus: “This is a laughable idiotic assessment that has no basis in realty.”
If you die childless it does not matter if you were ran over by a bus in your mid 20s or you live until 120. Your family (or at least the branch that you should start, assuming that you are mentally and physically healthy) dies out and obviously did not survive. How has that no basis in reality?
“Anyone that listens to my podcast will get my perspective on how much land our race is sitting on. Europe, British Isles, Russia, All of North America, not to mention Australia and New Zealand.”
And in all of them Whites prefer to “outsource” the raising of families to others, by telling them: “You can have all the babies you want.”
“But you are some expert on my life?”
No, but I’ve seen enough White Nationalists who prefer to be barren preachers instead of heads of healthy families.
#13 by Gavin on 04/05/2011 - 1:21 pm
Your comments make me think about white self-hatred. We all know the obvious type of white self hatred but I realized one day that I was engaging in white self-hatred by hating all those whites who do nothing while our race is being destroyed. You are hating not only a white but a pro-white who has done a tremendous amount of good for us. I think it’s all just self-hatred. Consider the following:
“I hate me race because they are all racist oppressors”
“I hate my race because they do nothing while we are being destroyed”
“I hate my race because they are all barren preachers”
It’s all just self-hatred. Let’s stop hating on ourselves and go get the anti-whites. Hating our own people in any of those cases doesn’t help us at all.
#14 by rdc75 on 04/05/2011 - 3:45 pm
“You are hating not only a white but a pro-white who has done a tremendous amount of good for us.”
Bob has often talked about how they destroy us by: “It is more important for a woman to paint a picture than to have a baby.”
Maybe we should add: “it is more important for a man to make a podcast than to raise a family”
#15 by Gavin on 04/05/2011 - 4:19 pm
What do you think you are accomplishing with this? It doesn’t seem to be a very productive use of time.
#16 by rdc75 on 04/05/2011 - 5:16 pm
My point is that WNs should at least think about PERSONALLY starting a family. That is the point.
All our lives we get brainwashed NOT to have children:
– First it’s school and university, you have to finish school, that’s number one priority.
– Then it’s “carreer”, you got to impress the neighbours with a fast car and vacations all around the world, that’s number one priority.
– Now I am in the crazy situation that on a WN-site some posters say that the birthrate is low-priority.
Anyway, just like Bob said you have to make it PERSONAL when it comes to race, I think you also have to make it PERSONAL when it comes to raise a family.
I attacked Horus because he displayed this typical NIMBY-attitude about children, which I really cannot stand and which is destroying us. What I want to accomplish? Well I would like childless WNs to rething their lives and start families, clans, tribes. (Just look at the Amish, just 200 people have now 250 000 descendants, a single person can have a huge impact in the course of generations.)
What I want to accomplish is that WNs stop calling for OTHERS to have children and consider having them THEMSELVES.
I have no idea wether I have an impact or not, given the response so far, probably not. Maybe some hate children so much that they will use any excuse to remain childless. However usually there are a lot more lurkers than posters, so who knows.
#17 by Genseric on 04/05/2011 - 6:07 pm
[quote]But as whites opened up their borders and closed down their maternity wards…[/quote]
I happen to agree with rdc75 on the importance of children. So much so, that I like to think that taking an active role as a parent and/or starting a family should be my number one PERSONAL goal.
On the collective POLITICAL front, fighting and opposing genocide against White children in their own nations is priority nummer eins.
The personal attacks, uncalled for. End of story.
#18 by Dick_Whitman on 04/05/2011 - 2:48 pm
rdc75,
you’re clearly here to stir shit.
1) What is your evidence that Horus is a “childless male?”
2) Why would someone who wants “fame and glory” use the persona of a rabbit, instead of using their real name? Fame requires knowing the person who is famous.
I realize I’m probably taking a risk in assuming that you want to actually have a real conversation. Like I said, you’re up to no good here. Horus explained why defeating the anti-White system takes priority over increasing birthrates but you still insist on attacking him while ignoring his reply.
Everything about you smells of anti-Whiteness.
Anti-racism is a code for anti-White.
#19 by rdc75 on 04/05/2011 - 3:36 pm
1: I said: “[..] when Horus sais in his White-Rabbit podcast that “Whites don’t need a high birthrate”, this tells me [..]”
That’s all the evidence I needed and it seems I have been right on target.
2: Come on, many people have become famous through aliases and pen-names.
“Horus explained why defeating the anti-White system takes priority over increasing birthrates but you still insist on attacking him while ignoring his reply.”
Why can’t we do both? In fact I completely fail to see how Horus’ celibacy helps at defeating the system.
So you say that because I did not remain childless, I’m an anti-white because I got my priorities wrong? Is that REALLY what you are saying?
#20 by Dick_Whitman on 04/05/2011 - 4:28 pm
1) If that’s all the evidence you need, then you’re not looking for evidence. You’re stirring shit.
2) These people don’t become famous until they’re known. And if someone wants to become famous in modern America, there are many better ways to do so than to start a podcast under a pen name.
“So you say that because I did not remain childless, I’m an anti-white because I got my priorities wrong? Is that REALLY what you are saying?” (anti-White rdc75)
NO, I’m saying you’re anti-White because you’re stirring shit at a pro-White website.
If you really intended on offering a constructive comment, you would not be attacking other pro-Whites about an issue you have no knowledge of. If your concern is about birthrates, you would express the importance of birthrates without attacking straw-men, misrepresenting people, and stirring shit.
You are here to stir shit.
I can smell you a mile away.
Leave here now anti-White stirrer of shit.
#21 by rdc75 on 04/05/2011 - 4:49 pm
“If your concern is about birthrates, you would express the importance of birthrates without attacking straw-men, misrepresenting people, and stirring shit.”
My whole point is that WNs should take the issue PERSONALLY, that means that they should PERSONALLY raise a family and not constantly “express the importance of birthrates”.
That is EXACTLY my point.
We will not survive by “expressing the importance of birthrates”, but only by raising families. And every WN has to do it HIMSELF and not talk, talk, talk, talk, talk how OTHERS should raise families.
If you think that is anti-White, then YOU have got your priorities wrong, because raising a family should be YOUR number one priority.
#22 by dungeoneer on 04/05/2011 - 6:06 pm
“We will not survive”
Our race will not survive unless the anti-white religion is destroyed.
Us few dedicated dissidents having children or not will NOT be a critical factor in that destruction.
Your trolling is a shameful attempt at wasting our precious resources,and only benefits the enemy.
#23 by rdc75 on 04/06/2011 - 2:25 am
“Us few dedicated dissidents having children or not will NOT be a critical factor in that destruction.”
Why not?
As I said, 200 Amish came over the Atlantic to raise over 250 000 descendants. That’s over 1000 to 1 in about 200 years.
Look at any (biologically) successful group and you see people who will think their personal biological children will make a difference.
#24 by Gar5 on 04/06/2011 - 4:44 am
RDC, stop the “I’m a slow, innocent, pro-White foriegner” act. We all know you are an anti-White agent-provocateur. Why are you here trying to take us off message and split us apart? Do you hate White children being White? What did White children ever do to you?
Why else would you attack fellow Bugs member Horus so viciously? You clearly have some kind of deep hatred embeded into your posts.
Having children is all fine and dandy, and it is an important duty for us to have enough children so we maintain our demographics. Is it at this time a priority? Of course not. Staying on message is a priority – the only priority.
What you are saying is: “If we have enough children all our problems will go away.” That is just as bonkers as saying “We all bleed red.”, “The Human race.” etc.
If a doctor finds that a person has a tumor what do you think the doctor will say to the person? :
A/ You have a tumor, if you increase your white blood cell count; it will magically go away.
B/ You have a tumor, we need to remove it and then your body will heal over time.
There may be a very slim chance you _really_ are a Pro-White person who wants to ask an honest question, which I think you have proven otherwise, else why would you come to Bugs? Didn’t you see that “Fighting White geNOcide” text underneath the Bugs logo?
Surely you’d go to a place like StormFront where they get many, many, pagehits, therefore, more exposure to your target audience?
We are fighting the anti-White geNOciders so we can remove them from power/influence and give ourselves a homeland.
We are not fighting the anti-White geNOciders so we can out-breed some other race/ethnicity. Our people are not about big populations, our people are about intelligent, well-trained populations.
I challenge you to find me one nation/race of people in history that has died out because they didn’t have enough children.
I thought so.
I have never once heard of a nation/race die out because of low birth-rates.
“Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.”
“The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.”
“Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.”
“What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?”
“How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?”
“And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?”
“But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.”
“They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.”
“Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.”
I wrote this lengthy reply not for RDC, but for fellow pro-Whites that may have succumb to RDC’s anti-White trickery.
We don’t want what you’re shovelling, anti-White.
#25 by rdc75 on 04/06/2011 - 6:42 am
“Why else would you attack fellow Bugs member Horus so viciously? You clearly have some kind of deep hatred embeded into your posts.”
Horus is showing the NIMBY-attitude about children that is destroying us.
A WN who is telling other WNs that “we don’t need a high birthrate” is doing more damage than a million diversity commercials.
“Having children is all fine and dandy, and it is an important duty for us to have enough children so we maintain our demographics.”
Nonsense.
It is not a “duty” or sacrifice. It’s an investment that is paying off. It’s just the natural thing to do for a healthy man.
“I challenge you to find me one nation/race of people in history that has died out because they didn’t have enough children.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsi
Post-independence census data is only available for India (1951: 111,791) and reveal a decline in population of approximately 9% per decade. According to the National Commission for Minorities, there are a “variety of causes that are responsible for this steady decline in the population of the community”, the most significant of which were childlessness and migration (Roy & Unisa 2004, pp. 8, 21).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrician_(ancient_Rome)
http://www.archive.org/stream/familynamestheir00bari/familynamestheir00bari_djvu.txt
The tribe, or rather house, was called a gens, and the idea
was that all members of a gens were of one blood. The
most ancient gentes were all patrician — the Ramni, Titii,
and Luceri. But as they died out other gentes were formed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Kosovo
The ethnic balance of Kosovo witnessed unproportional increase as the number of Albanians rose dramatically due to higher birth rates. Serbs barely increased and dropped in the full share of the total population down to 10% due to higher demographic raise of the Albanian population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvanian_Saxons
http://expelledgermans.org/transylvaniasaxons.htm
Romanian Germans already had a very low birthrate (Riley 2008, 43).
— end of examples
The pattern is pretty clear: Usually the demographic decline comes first, then the people either assimilate to some other group or are expelled or murdered.
#26 by OldBlighty on 04/05/2011 - 7:28 pm
rdc75 says:
“In fact I completely fail to see how Horus’ celibacy helps at defeating the system.”
Now you know they wouldn’t be here, if they didn’t consider us a credible threat to their interests. If what we were doing was ineffective, they would be trolling somewhere else.
Our anti-white friends, salute Horus’ effectiveness!
#27 by H.Avenger on 04/05/2011 - 3:26 pm
“How exactly am I wrong when I said: “Horus is a childless male who wants to dedicate his life for some great cause and leave the bearing and raising of children strictly to OTHER Whites.””
Again, you do not know how many children/ “heirs” I have running around on this planet. You make outlandish statements about people you know nothing about. Furthermore, you are being disingenuous again in regards to this nonsense “dedicating his life to this great cause”.
LOL. Sounds as if I was some Nietzsche for the cause. If I were some superman for the cause, I probably would have had a website up long ago. And no one would have had to ask me to do a anything.
And quite a diatribe over the use of the word baby. Especially ridiculous since you take everything out of context. I could go on addressing this point by point but what is the use?
“Your children will only be babies for a very short time and will grow into real persons which you will have a much closer relationship than with any friend, ally or wife.”
We will end this with something we can all agree on. Having family you can count on is invaluable.
#28 by rdc75 on 04/05/2011 - 4:35 pm
Dick_Whitman said: “Horus explained why defeating the anti-White system takes priority over increasing birthrates”
Maybe I am slow, maybe you can clear it up what Dick meant, because I don’t understand: How is celibacy helping us in “defeating the anti-White system”? Isn’t it exactly the other way around, wouldn’t more Whites be more effective in defeating the system? I just can’t get my head around the (in my opinion) crazy statement that low birthrates will help us defeat the system. Maybe you can clear that up because either me or Dick seems to have got it wrong.
Currently the White peoples have a fertility-rate of 1.5 which even you will agree is too low. What can be more important than raising that figure? When you say “Whites don’t need a high birthrate” my immedeate thoughts were: “What else do Whites need right now except a high birthrate?”
I think I have hit a nerve here. NIMBY is probably the best way to describe the attitude of many here when it comes to children and some will call you anti-white because when you don’t join the celibacy-club you have the wrong priorities.
Actually one of the reasons why I think Bob’s posts are so valuable is because he is the *ONLY* WN who touches on children and birthrates in some deeper way. On no other site have I read an analysis of how “it’s better to marry than to burn” is just a way to neuter us. On no other site have I read about how “it’s more important for a woman to paint a picture than to have a baby” is yet another way.
All the other sites only ramble about how OTHER people should get more children (as I said: NIMBY) only here I saw a glimmer of hope to solve the core issue.
How is it possible that people who have read these same posts and mp3s talk about “the White rate does not need a high birthrate” and that raising a family is low-priority?
My personal take on this is that it’s the pension-system that is destroying us: Many people just wait for their “sizable pension” which will be paid by OTHER people’s children. Everywhere in the world (not just in White countries) a pension and social system has not only lowered fertility but also lead to survival of the dumbest.
So I will open a bottle of champaign as soon as the economy hits the ground and the system collapses.
#29 by H.Avenger on 04/05/2011 - 6:26 pm
rdc75,
You have won the award for taking things out of context. Trying to argue for larger families among whites is a good thing. The way you are going about it does not make any sense. The approach you just took would leave anyone with the impression that you here for no good reason. You consistently misunderstand and misconstrue things and this appears to be intentional.
IMO, You have not touched a nerve here. Bugsters just do not like having their time wasted by people who are disingenuous. I am going to invent a new character called the Troll Rabbit.
#30 by Simmons on 04/05/2011 - 10:24 am
I believe several southern states have enacted tax laws favorable to retirees, and for the most part they mean whites.
Implicit “whiteness” is all about us in our lives, once we find our voice as Horus says it will be like swatting flies with a nuke.
I like the fact we have a peak oil doomer here, now head over to Kuntsler’s blog and Mantraize the vermin lefties with me.
#31 by OldBlighty on 04/05/2011 - 3:06 pm
Horus,
You must be doing something right, because I have noticed they are starting to go after you, both openly and in a passive aggressive manner elsewhere. I’m sure Bob has been though this many times before.
I wonder if we are passing through the ignoring and mocking phase and now we are entering the serious resistance phase?
#32 by H.Avenger on 04/05/2011 - 7:50 pm
I don’t know who “they” are OldBlighty. If they are on our side. They are probably just trying to figure out what all the noise is over. The broken record strategy can be irritating and can cause confusion for those that do not read BUGS.
IF THEY are on our enemies side. THEY are trying to figure out why there were blindsided by this White GeNOcide message. And WHY their masters have left them blowing in the wind against the onslaught. We have some abandoned Pink Rabbits freaking out. Their phone calls are going unanswered.
Unfortunately for them, the groups they bank on for help are all silent. Team Pink Rabbit has made it’s decision. After all, they are guilty.
Their silence is unfortunate for us as well. We love free publicity from Antiwhites.
Hopefully, the fools at the SPLC will follow the Antiwhites lead and promote us. They could do a big fundraising letter replete with Bob’s picture and an expose on BUGS and the Mantra.
But there IS a difference between fools and amateur fools.
Always remember, the Easter Bunny is WHITE. And Easter falls late this year.
#33 by Dick_Whitman on 04/05/2011 - 3:51 pm
As we already know, the anti-Whites are too scared to attack Horus and Bob with their big “anti-racist” (code for anti-White) organizations and the Left in general cannot stand up to the scrutiny of the mantra.
Instead, they will use people coming from the “Right” to do the attacking.
And there will be more to come.
#34 by dungeoneer on 04/05/2011 - 5:54 pm
Let`s sort the wheat from the chaff by asking our new friend rdc75 what he has been doing to oppose the anti-white Establishment?
#35 by rdc75 on 04/06/2011 - 3:57 am
For one, I will not brainwash my children into going to college (and “Why Johnny Can’t Think” was a big part of that decision) and I will tell them to not wait as long as I did to start their families.
That’s my number one priority.
In personal life I have had my share of discussions with anti-Whites (yes, I also used parts of the Mantra a couple of times), but even though I will get called anti-White for saying that, but that is not my top priority, sorry.
My last discussion ended by the other guy conceding all his points (typical multiple-defense-style) and making a joke of himself by seriously suggesting that blacks are underperforming *only* because Whites drew the borders in Africa. Even his girlfriend who was also there was already grinning at him.
I never said that you should stop doing what you are doing. It is fun to destroy anti-Whites and with the Mantra it’s also easier.
The Mantra is effective, I never said it wasn’t, I never said it should be avoided. It’s a very good rhetorical tool, not less, but also not more.
So while I think that BUGS is doing great at rhetorics (and I do not recommend a change of the Mantra) I don’t think that rhetorics is everything. In fact it’s not near the top on my personal priorities.
What I also did is buy physical gold. This is putting pressure on the central-banking system and is hitting them where it really hurts. (And the beauty of it is that it is benefitting me because it shields my family from inflation: I don’t have to depend on a “sizable pension” of paper-money.)
You should also consider buying food, it’s rising faster than any stock and will also be useful even when the state works out all the problems (but in my opinion that is assuming omnipotence because the problems are just not solvable).
So basically I am trying to lead a healthy life in a sick society. A healthy life includes a healthy family and children.
And I take my life personally, which means that I see myself and my family not just as some part of a “mass movement”, I will never become part of a “mass”, I despise “masses”.
I think that everybody should start with himself. When a childless guy calls for higher birthrates I see him as a weakling who SEES THE PROBLEM but is not strong enough to solve them in his private live. (I was that type much too long myself.) That is bad enough. But when a childless guy sais that “we don’t need higher birthrates”, right now when the fertility rate is around 1.5, I see him as truly part of the problem. Horus is basically saying to all WNs: “It’s OK when you are too lazy to have children.” Well it’s not OK. Exactly this attitude is leading to a barren leadership (pretty much like the catholic church that is dependent on a “host population” that is constantly repleneshing the priesthood) and decay.
And a million podcasts and won discussions do not change that in any way.
Also, when we talk about childlessness we should also focus on the fact that the pension system will not keep working for much longer and while childless old people are pretty marginalized RIGHT NOW (when you are old and fragile in a nursing home and you have no relatives to stand up for you, they treat you like scum) it will only get MUCH WORSE in the future.
So it’s not like you have to be some kind of “altruist” to have kids. On the contrary, having children is the best investment of your time and will pay off big time when you are old.
Just think about it:
– Have a healthy family
– Buy gold and silver
– Buy food
These are not “sacrifices”, I am not an altruistic angel. All these are investments that pay off in the long run and will benefit me PERSONALLY. And all these hurt the anti-white establishment.
The anti-white establishment can only hurt you, when you play along. They have not nearly enough power when you just refuse to play their game. And the pension system is their game. The college-system is their game. Paper money is their game. “Competitive celibacy” is their game.
And I refuse to play it. And it’s not a sacrifice, it’s a liberation from tyranny.
#36 by Bugger on 04/05/2011 - 5:59 pm
I’ll go ahead and be the only to support rdc75.
#37 by Peter Whiterabbit on 04/05/2011 - 6:11 pm
Horus: “You can have all the babies you want.”
rdc75: “Only a decadent and truly society can call all children “babies””
Troll much?
#38 by Christian M on 04/05/2011 - 6:25 pm
Horus has focused countless Whites into a consistent message, and drawn incredible traffic towards this site and the ideas of anti-White and White genocide.
rdc75 jumps like a tick to a hound and starts shrieking fantastic assumptions about Horus’ personal life and totally misrepresents his message. LOL! Right, we all know Horus is against Whites having large families, suuuure. This isn’t even quality trolling, what a lightweight. Go back to defending Israel on YahooNews, troll. They need you over there as anyone can see from the comments!
The consistent message is working, folks! The anti-Whites have deployed the trolls from under the bridge.
#39 by Snowy on 04/05/2011 - 6:37 pm
At the risk of incurring the wrath of the regulars around these parts, I’m pretty sure rdc does genuinely have the best interests of Whites in mind. The simple fact is that a good portion of the reason that we as a people are being displaced in every country we inhabit is that we:
A.) Run our nations on an infinite growth paradigm
and
B.) Have a whole lot of people who have a really good reason that *they* don’t want/shouldn’t have kids.
The most natural solution is to import swarthy hordes to make up the difference.
And if we ever want to change that, one of those two things is going to need to change.
#40 by OldBlighty on 04/05/2011 - 7:17 pm
Sure… It has “nothing to do with this”, does it Snowy? 😉
The Mantra
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
#41 by dungeoneer on 04/05/2011 - 7:02 pm
“The most natural solution is to import swarthy hordes to make up the difference.”
Sure,sure.
It`s got nothing whatsoever to do with us living under an anti-white dictatorship trying to wipe us out.
All “perfectly natural” LOL
#42 by Snowy on 04/05/2011 - 7:23 pm
I think it’s more a belief in blank slatism combined with a belief in infinite growth that’s gotten us here more than any sort of grand conspiracy. Though I’m open to to persuasion.
Anti-Whites certainly exist, but the vast majority of Whites are simply indifferent and don’t understand the reality of racial differences, but do understand that there needs to be somebody in the next generation to pay their pension and if that person is Mexican or Pakistani then so be it.
Anyway, please realize I’m not advocating flooding White countries with non-Whites, I simply wanted to point out that the current infinite growth paradigm combined with plummeting birthrates has made it a very easy sell for those who do.
#43 by BoardAd on 04/05/2011 - 7:26 pm
Please stick around for tomorrow’s post.
#44 by OldBlighty on 04/05/2011 - 7:33 pm
Try using the Mantra some time Snowy. Only then will your eyes fully open.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
#45 by H.Avenger on 04/06/2011 - 9:26 am
Snowy,
Well we got the worse run conspiracy ever in White Rabbit GeNOcide. I agree with that much.
But do understand the point we are making. The East Asian countries are under the same infinite growth paradigm as the West. But they do not have Pink Rabbits running their countries and trying to kill them.
No one is flooding Japan with Non Japanese and telling them….we are under an infinite growth paradigm so we need more workers….therefore …. we are going to create a blended humanity in ONLY Japan.
And no one is flooding Taiwan with non -Taiwanese and telling them ….we are under an infinite growth paradigm …..so we need more workers….therefore…. we are going to create a blended humanity in ONLY Taiwan.
Only White countries are doing this and only Anti-Whites are pushing this…..it’s GeNOcide.
We have a tendency to just pick one angle of our enemies attack and rationalize it. When in realty every angle they take ultimately will end up in a world without White Rabbits. That is their deal.
Our enemy will try to get the same Genocidal results from any paradigm/system they design. We have the tendency to just see the Pink Rabbits Thesis or Antithesis and not their Synthesis. And the Synthesis is always White Rabbit Genocide. ALWAYS! They can just as easily go under a global rationing scheme and try to achieve the same results.
#46 by Snowy on 04/06/2011 - 3:16 pm
Yes, I was vaguely aware of the example of Japan but after going back and reviewing maps of immigration and birthrates, it seems that a nation’s Whiteness is a much better indicator that the population will be in the process of being blended out of existence than birthrates.
Just a little victim blaming myopia on my part, I guess.
Thanks, Horus.
#47 by rdc75 on 04/06/2011 - 5:47 am
You say: “[We are] living under an anti-white dictatorship trying to wipe us out.”
I agree. Our whole society is advocating childlessness and third-world immigration and extinction through assimilation.
The mantra is great at exposing that problem.
But my point is:
Those who SEE THE PROBLEM, and that includes YOU, dungeoneer, should try to FIX THE PROBLEM in their PRIVATE lives. You have to start somewhere and fixing your private life (and maybe even help fixing the lives of some others from your family and friends) is a good start.
That’s exactly what really ticks me off: Why do so many of those who SEE THROUGH the propaganda of White celibacy still act on it in their private lives? When we can agree that childlessness is a tactic of the anti-white establishment, why do some WNs still embrace childlessness for themselves? Why do some WNs lament their extinction but AT THE SAME TIME choose extinction for their own family?
And dungeoneer: The moment you say that we live under a an anti-white dictatorship trying to wipe us out, you cannot claim ignorance any more. I know many Whites who are deep into the anti-white life-plan (university/carrer/etc. and about children it’s always later, later, later) who are just brainwashed. It’s sad that they remain childless, but they are brainwashed and the Mantra is useful in waking them up.
A WN has obviously seen through (at least part of) the anti-white propaganda. A WN cannot say: I remain childless because I am brainwashed. That does not make any sense.
So why do so many WNs remain childless and plainly refuse to raise families? Or maybe the anti-white brainwashing is so deep that it is still working on WNs? Maybe the anti-white brainwashing to “fix the world” has made many WNs impotent to fix their personal private lives? Maybe the conditioning is so strong that anybody who puts the survival of his own family first is being called an “anti-white” because he has his priorities wrong? Why am I being called anti-white just for advocating that WNs personally start families? Why is Horus’ claim that “Whites don’t need a high birthrate” being defended as if it were some religious dogma?
When somebody is brainwashed I can understand that he is following the anti-white life-plan of childlessness. What I cannot understand is why so many, AFTER their awakening, continue on the anti-white life-plan of self-destruction.
#48 by OldBlighty on 04/06/2011 - 9:44 am
“should try to FIX THE PROBLEM in their PRIVATE lives. You have to start somewhere and fixing your private lif”
If you want to have white children, stop lecturing and hop to it. No one here has been telling white people not to have children and you know it.
Meanwhile back on planet Earth:
No one is flooding Japan with millions of non-Japanese and telling the Japanese they must try to out breed the millions of non-Japanese, being brought into their countries.
No one is flooding Africa with millions of non-Africans and telling the Africans they must try to out breed the millions of non-Africans, being brought into their countries.
And so on for all non-white countries.
Anti-whites are only doing and saying this in all white countries and only white countries. It is White GeNOcide.
#49 by rdc75 on 04/06/2011 - 10:38 am
“No one here has been telling white people not to have children and you know it.”
Sorry, but saying “Whites don’t need a high birthrate” when the birthrate is at 1.5 is pretty much telling white people not to have children in my book.
#50 by OldBlighty on 04/06/2011 - 10:45 am
No one here has told you not to have children. You are the one who has been repeating that and no one else. Correct?
Meanwhile:
No one is flooding Japan with millions of non-Japanese and telling the Japanese they must try to out breed the millions of non-Japanese, being brought into their country.
No one is flooding Africa with millions of non-Africans and telling the Africans they must try to out breed the millions of non-Africans, being brought into their countries.
And so on for all non-white countries no matter how rich or poor.
This is being done to all white countries and only white countries regardless of their wealth and the anti-whites are mocking white people, by telling them if they don’t like it, they should have more children.
What they are doing is White GeNOcide and they know it.