One of my greatest problems was always to make people understand that our enemies’ dialogue is not even at a human level. People complain about the length of the Mantra, and I see our people are correcting that in Swarm, but the point is that that couple of hundred words covers every single “argument” you will ever hear on the other side in books, “seminars,” or the automatic thousands of words you will get back when you get into the “debate.”
But you can’t truly BELIEVE that, EMPATHIZE with that, until you get out there and DEAL with them.
The anti-Mantra discussions at
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/03/on-the-path-to-practical-politics/?show=comments
serve much the same purpose.
Why HAVE we wasted over a generation talking to each other and leaving anti-whites unscathed? How COULD anybody be so STUPID?
And in the above link, they tell you how.
The self-appointed Royal Prosecutor declares that our efforts are useless, 1) because the Truth cannot be told because of screams of racism and Nazism and, 2) an internet-based strategy will not work because the other side controls the REAL media. He says “somebody” must take over the REAL media.
But since his “somebody” is afraid even to use his name in a public argument, how is “somebody” going to take over the entire national media establishment?
Actually, all the thousands of words the anti-Mantra group uses here contains not one single syllable about what THEY are DOING. The one thing they are all doing is shivering in a corner because the other side is so mean and scares them with words like Nazi.
None of them is doing anything that hasn’t been done for the last two generations. Most of them aren’t doing even that.
The point that you must realize is that this is what has constituted the entire pro-white movement for two generations, and without BUGS it would be all they do today.
I can tell you that, over and over, but there is no substitute for you actually having a place where you can SEE it. That is the only way you can realize how subhuman anti-whites are, that is, by getting in there and facing them.
But unlike anti-whites, who are in control of everything, these anti-Mantra pro-whites are not worth much attention. They are of historical interest, to demonstrate what Kelso points out, that the entire pro-white movement has been Absent Without Leave for fifty years.
The only real pro-whites, us BUGSERS, have FINALLY come charging in.
#1 by Cheshire Cat on 03/28/2012 - 12:41 pm
The Cheshire Cat’s anti-Harding comments didn’t make it past the “Filter” at the above link. Interesting.
It’s too hard to count all the Big Brains over at TOO. LoL!
#2 by c-bear on 03/28/2012 - 12:43 pm
We finally have a definable purpose and definite direction. For me, I got it right away. That’s probably due to my personal experiences; hence, outlook on life. For others, maybe not so much. I think it all boils down to FEAR. The Mantra is bold. The Mantra is powerful. The Mantra is a war hammer. In my opinion what we have encountered is talking heads, incessantly discussing yet never taking up the sword. These are the types we can do without. Their opinion means nothing.
#3 by exerces on 03/28/2012 - 5:33 pm
Re “People complain about the length of the Mantra, and I see our people are correcting that in Swarm, ”
Do you mean correcting the impression that it is long, or correcting the length by shortening it? I always assumed that the object was to use the amount and fragments appropriate to the situation and amount of posting space, with some adaptation being better than none in most cases.
#4 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/28/2012 - 8:23 pm
On pro-White sites from now on I’m not going to take the objectors seriously, but just use some line from their post as a transition to make some point to the audience, as in this comment I just posted on the OO thread Bob links above:
I don’t care a bit about “helping Bob Whitaker.”
I’m spreading the message among pro-Whites that we must push out of every White mind in the Western World the nasty and lying R-word, by shoving it aside with our own highly charged terms and truths, “anti-White” and “White Genocide.”
White GeNOcide!
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White!
From now on, every post of mine on a pro-White site is going to be of that sort, either a quick jab of Mantra or a quick jab of why we need the Mantra, why it works, etc.
I and some other bugsers on that OO thread have IMO filled it with too much tailgating, helping our opponents there to make it a tedious no-fun-to-read thread.
Each post short, simple, and punchy and illuminating one single important point is what I’m going to aim for, so that those posts stand out from the tedious posts of our opponents and draw the attention of readers.
#5 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/28/2012 - 8:57 pm
Currently another bugser, more hard-hitting than I, seems to be doing what needs to be done on that OO thread.
I guess I’m doomed to eternal confusion on how to handle pro-White sites. I guess I’ll try to stick to what I just said, since I don’t seem to be able to completely take the gloves off with pro-Whites.
#6 by Epiphany on 03/28/2012 - 8:26 pm
Reduce your arguments to syllogisms, Humpty Dumpty. The shorter and too the point; the more difficult to logically refute!
#7 by Jason Here on 03/28/2012 - 9:58 pm
Look, the mantra is great and I think there were unfair attacks on it at OO by a few. And I think it is great to point out what a failure WN has been for 50 years – because it has been. But I don’t think shouting talking points at people when discussion and argument are required, works. I fully support the mantra – but if a pro-white person sincerely has a question about it, the proper response is not to berate them.
And yes, some of the attacks against the mantra were very unfair, even by the pro-Whites. But if you drop out of talking point mode, and go into discussion/analysis mode … well then you need to do that, and stop shouting and berating.
#8 by Gavin on 03/28/2012 - 10:23 pm
Good point.
A problem is it can be difficult to go back to normal human discussion mode after a long stint in the trenches battling the anti-Whites drone army.
#9 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/28/2012 - 10:35 pm
“if a pro-white person sincerely has a question about it”
Jason, I hope the shock won’t kill me if that happens some day!
The pro-Whites ALL come bearing JUDGMENTS, never QUESTIONS!
Go back and read Alice Teller’s FIRST Mantra-related comment on that thread at March 28, 2012 – 2:12 pm.
Not a single QUESTION in it, just a firm CONCLUSION about the WHOLE BUGS ENTERPRISE based on her dislike of Bob’s tone in yesterday’s blog. Like so many pro-Whites, she seems to think we’re not in a war but in a parlor game. KM at OO has told them as much, but they prefer to focus their attention on everything he says but that!
BUGSer1 correctly pointed out that her following arguments are those of anti-Whites, and stated that that in effect makes her an anti-White. That last is further than I’m able to go right now, but I think that’s just because I’m not seeing as clearly as I soon will be.
#10 by Jason Here on 03/29/2012 - 1:16 am
This is the key line for me, in what Alice said in that post:
There is no single, simple answer. Personally, the mantra you promote has absolutely no resonance with me and I am long past tired of it. No matter, I accept that it speaks to others.
What else do you want? She more or less said go knock your lights out, it just doesn’t work for her. I don’t see that as a deep affront to anyone – it’s an honest statement. What is she supposed to do, lie?
It seems to me that the purpose of the mantra is not to get stuck in an hours-long debate with one person who shrugs and says it doesn’t work for them, but instead to learn from that experience and move on. Note, she wasn’t proposing to block you or anyone else, just saying it didn’t ring her bell.
#11 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/29/2012 - 2:01 am
This was the key line for me:
Your link, however, causes me to despair of the white freedom movement.
Also, neither she nor Hadding would reply to my question did they believe or not that there is an anti-White program of White Genocide underway. I think that’s really the sticking point for a lot of pro-White objectors, but they aren’t willing to come out and say so and argue it out with us. (I think a lot of them aren’t willing to make the effort to think through something new and difficult and THEN come to a conclusion whether it’s correct or incorrect!)
Instead she says, “the Mantra has absolutely no resonance with me.” What she thinks the reasons for her lack of response are might provide a discussion with some meat in it, but instead she just keeps putting out side dishes of tofu and wilted sprouts.
The article was about using the Mantra, not about illegal immigration or having babies or any of her other interests.
#12 by Jason Here on 03/29/2012 - 2:35 am
I think with the one person you mentioned there is a problem – he’s stuck in another worldview and won’t ever change, for whatever reason. It makes sense to respond if he attacks the mantra unfairly.
But I think calling Alice or even the other one “anti-white” because they don’t like the mantra goes too far. I posted something encouraging her and others to listen to a really good podcast of Duke and Horus together – I think that is the best approach. And there is a lot of baggage in WN as you know. Repeated phrases may conjure up images of a braindead skinheads saying “white power” over and over. And a lot of good white people hate what they consider marketing gimmicks.
There can just be a lot of reasons why a white person doesn’t respond to the mantra. But I wouldn’t call them anti-white, especially if they have a history being pro-white.
But, I think the mantra works great and I try and post it all over the internet.
#13 by Cheshire Cat on 03/29/2012 - 2:54 am
They’re not anti-white. They are anti-Mantra.
Both are about as effective at saving our children from genocide as a spoon is for performing brain surgery.
Some people just don’t recognize a scalpel when they see one.
#14 by The Old Man of the Mountain on 03/28/2012 - 10:44 pm
Racist? A “racist” is just a White Man who speaks the Truth.
Nazi? Really? Out of MILLIONS of German National Socialists, about a dozen were accused of “war crimes” and some of those were innocent– I’m not even German.
#15 by Gavin on 03/28/2012 - 11:20 pm
Every religion has it’s word for heretic.
The issue isn’t changing their behavior, it’s changing your response.
#16 by Gavin on 03/29/2012 - 12:53 pm
Too many pro-Whites have Stockholm Syndrome. They are intimidated by and afriad of anti-Whites who they view as having popular support.
When we calmly make our point that everything they advocate leads towards a world without White children, they really have no answer to it. The most they can say is “yeah, so what!?!?!”
At this point you nail them for genocide.
#17 by Gavin on 03/29/2012 - 12:55 pm
A thing to remember is to always label our enemies as anti-White but eschew labels ourselves.
It’s about making our POINT not about creating an identity cult.
I got into an interaction with an anti-White who was saying “White supremacists should be barred from running for election”
I made the point that they always try to bar pro-Whites from participating in the democratic process but not Black pro-Blacks or Jewish pro-Jews.
The anti-White then latched on my use of the term “pro-White” and said that it meant anti-others and that only Whites who have no feelings for their race should be elected etc…
I realized that pro-Blacks and pro-Jews don’t even name themselves as such. They just say which policies they support and don’t give themselves an identity as “pro-Black” or “pro-Jew”
A pro-Black candidate will say he against “racial profiling” and “discrimination against Blacks” but won’t label himself as pro-Black. A pro-Jew candidate will say he “supports Israel” and is “against anti-semitism” but won’t say he is “pro-Jewish”
Similarily we should just come out as “against White genocide” and “anti-White double standards” but affixing any label to ourselves just give the anti-Whites a target.
The term pro-White should only be used by ourselves in our own media to identify those who have a pro-White worldview.
Just look at how successful the anti-Whites have been by eschewing labels for themselves but inculcating their anti-White worldview into society to the point where it is the default position of all political and media figures.
#18 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/29/2012 - 2:28 pm
Gavin, do you think we should go so far as to stop asking in the mainstream, “Are you pro-White, or are you pro White-Genocide?”
#19 by Gavin on 03/29/2012 - 2:43 pm
I haven’t used that line so I can’t comment.
I just know that calling myself pro-White or any other label when I am out in the action only puts a target on my back.
I have found that stating my opinion without some identity to back me up works better.
Label the anti-Whites though and point out that what they are doing is genocide.
#20 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/29/2012 - 3:28 pm
Your first post convinced me to not use “pro-White” standing alone (I probably would not have anyway, but now I’m very clear). But I feel like the question, “Are you pro-White or are you pro White-Genocide,” puts the term “pro-White” in a context that gives it a little boost, and that its presence in that context doesn’t do harm (but I’m unsure of that last. Maybe some others will comment. I can’t remember what reactions I’ve gotten to the question).
#21 by Gavin on 03/29/2012 - 5:06 pm
Don’t take what I say as a hard and fast rule. I am feeling my way through this like anyone else. If using pro-White feels right in the context then do it.
My experience is that there is no reason to label yourself anything. Just make your point. Anti-Whites arguing with you about labels is a great way of preventing you from making your point.
Obviously we can talk about who is pro-White and who is not but don’t let that distract you from the point.
#22 by H.Avenger on 03/29/2012 - 3:04 pm
Normally Bob does not answer the Peanut Gallery. I have never seen him answer the Peanut Gallery before.
This was a treat. And we got all that because the Peanut Gallery compared Ole Bob to :”Hannity”!
Bob has thick skin. And the Peanut Gallery yelled one of the few names that could actually draw a response.
#23 by shari on 03/29/2012 - 3:50 pm
Even the anti-mantra pro-whites are brought out by the mantra. Some who seemed less hostlile to the mantra are sounding truely hostile, why some who were anti-mantra are now sounding less so. You just never know, at least for awhile.
#24 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/29/2012 - 5:23 pm
Let’s not create a category of pro-Whites described as, “anti-Mantra”! Lol! “Mantra-resistant” maybe is soft enough.
#25 by Gavin on 03/31/2012 - 1:18 pm
Don’t talk TO the anti-Whites, talk PAST them. You can’t reason with someone who is just going to respond with ignorantracistnazibigotwhowantstokillsixmillionjews!!!
Everything they say is geared towards demoralizing us and shutting us up. If you react to it, they win. Just keep on our message and get the POINTS in.
I see so many people out there who sympathise with us but are just scared of the name calling from the anti-Whites. Once you make fun of them for their squacking it frees us up to discuss the point that genocide is not a good idea.
#26 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/31/2012 - 1:53 pm
Ah, I hadn’t put it together that “[there are] many people out there who sympathise with us but are just scared of the name calling from the anti-Whites,” and that if we can effectively belittle that name calling it frees up those others to speak up. Thanks.
Hot damn, I love to belittle, so I’m going to latch on to this tactic. I’ll make them wish they never heard the stinking R-word:
You went to the first grade and your teacher said, “R-word!” and you said, yes ma’am, “R-word!” You went to the second grade, and your teacher said, “R-word! R-word!” and you said yes ma’am, “R-word! R-word!”
And so on…I’ll think of something.
NEVER to tailgate and actually DISCUSS the R-word with them (much less to tailgate by arguing with any charges they make using it!), but just to find ways to tear the crust off their poop pie and shove it in their faces.