Like so many BUGSERS, I have a hard time understanding what AMPWs –anti-mantra pro-whites — are so upset about. I think one answer may be that they believe that we are doing what they are doing, dictating a whole program and reformation of society.
That, after all, is what the entire movement has been trying to sell for generations: a complete ideology of which race is a subset.
They think we are contradicting them.
The last time I was asked to speak at any conference was last year in Sevierville, and I expect that is the last one I will ever be asked to speak at.
Before that the last time I was asked to speak was at a New Orleans Conference of the National Alliance in 2004. I had a simple message but I was faced with a roomful of books being sold, each of them having its own program.
I told them honestly that I wish every book there was a best-seller, but we had to get a bigger reading audience for it.
No matter how good a book is, you have to break the mentality that makes people put it down after looking at the title.
I have been furious all my life about what Jews were bragging about doing to my race, but I knew that that my anger at professors, Jews, Southern sellouts and all the rest was dead in the water as long as everything was couched in terms of Hitler’s Holocaust rather than in terms of the real, ongoing genocide all these groups planned for us.
That was my last speech at national pro-white conference.
As I said, after putting up with various attacks, including comparing me to HANNITY, which is as nasty as you can GET, the only AMPW discussion I have seen on the internet got around to moaning about how hopeless everything is because of persecution of our point of view.
But if they had DISCUSSED getting that censorship off our backs, they would have had to start with something exactly like the Mantra.
Others talked about books that should be read, or Jews who should be attacked. The other side is perfectly correct: They have to suppress us because otherwise it will not be only white people who can be insulted daily.
The real lesson of Nazism should be that if there is a Race Problem, there is only one Final Solution to it, whether that race be Jews or white gentiles.
They even tried to say that “Whitakerism is a Cult.”
What in the hell is “Whitakerism?” A cult answers all the questions their books do, it tells them about an ideal world from its economics to its hygiene to its ideas of pornography.
But if anyone bothered to READ BUGS Comments, they would find staunch Catholics, Bible Thumpers, atheists, and economics Theory is hardly mentioned.
But since they assume that their books have their own isms, they assumed there must be a Whitakerism.
I do not know how everything in society should be run. I DO know that if you are going to actually go into battle, you need to be careful about what your opening barrage is like.
#1 by Dave on 04/04/2012 - 7:18 am
Those who have the biggest perspective win as long it is in the service of loyalty to our own people. Anyone’s “ism” is beside the point, and merely the blinders of making words more important than reality.
I think of Robert Whitaker as a king of textured observation in the similar sense, but with a completely different application, I think of Thomas Edison as a king of textured observation. You can’t get to “cult” from there.
#2 by Jason Here on 04/04/2012 - 7:23 am
Wow, this finally explains what has bothered me for over a year at TOO with some of the posters and writers (although I love the site). Many have a SPECIFIC ideology they are selling. National Socialism, libertarianism, anarcho-libertarianism, Christianity, Medieval-ism, paganism, etc, etc,
So it winds up being 3 people arguing intensely over something like copyright law for a week, or someone INSISTING that we must honor AH or some other character from the past. It’s like a game to some of them.
Kevin MacDonald gets it, he is on our side. But Bob has put his finger on what has seemed so strange to me. It’s like our ship is sinking and people want to argue over whether we should use GPS or compass navigation. It doesn’t matter if we all go down!
#3 by Genseric on 04/04/2012 - 1:34 pm
“It’s like our ship is sinking and people want to argue over whether we should use GPS or compass navigation.”
For me,
It’s like we aren’t even steering our own ship anymore. The residents of the brig are now at the helm. And they have NO (MORAL) COMPASS.
They are destined to navigate directly into the rocks. Never mind the lighthouse (BUGS).
From way up North,
Daniel Genseric
#4 by Frank on 04/04/2012 - 7:51 am
@Jason – I had that same “Wow” experience when I first read Kevin MacDonald’s works. I expressed this “Wow” in a private forum dedicated to his thinking. Someone replied, “Kinda takes your breath away, huh!”
Then I discovered BUGS and Bob’s approach to REALITY outside of mere words. And that was another huge WOW, and it “kinda took my breath away” on a much higher level. Now, breathlessly, I walk the path of Practical Politics practiced here.
Our task isn’t to be “anti-TOO”, which would still be a kind of cult of the “anti”. Our task is to use whatever word-tools we can muster and deliver them to any place where the reigning “reality” cult of rationalizing White Genocide is considered “normal”. Our task is to “de-normalize” this anti-White cult, DESTROY these “normal beliefs”, ie Wordisms, by any means that WORK.
Delivering Mantra insights to discussers at TOO isn’t “anti-TOO”, it’s releasing them from their “normal” mental binding with Wordism.
Glad to see you here!
#5 by Jason Here on 04/04/2012 - 8:33 am
Great points, and thanks, Well your article really opened a lot of eyes. And listening to the podcasts of Horus is a goldmine. I feel like I am listening to someone who understands marketing and PR.
With Kevein, I feel like I have an elite professor giving the the view from academia. With Bob, I get the feel of a highly educated man, but not one mired in Phd-jargon. He can speak to regular folks, yet he is thinking very high level.
And Horus reminds me a guy who is high energy that just knows how to get things done and can see the big picture in a practical way. It’s a great team.
I will encourage people to post the mantra, at least 50 times a week. I think the mental block is that they see themselves as “thinkers”, not pamphleteers. But they must come to understand that this is really a subversive campaign to alter the very culture.
Every so slowly, more people will notice that “gee, there seem to be a lot of people upset about White Genocide”, and from that point a dam may break. Horus talks about the tiger that doesn’t know it’s power. The White tiger may be about to discover his power and just how silly and weak his “master” really is.
#6 by Genseric on 04/04/2012 - 1:45 pm
“But they must come to understand that this is really a subversive campaign to alter the very culture.”
This is the campaign which aims to give EVERY pro-white Intellectual a place to do their ‘thinking’ out loud and in front of everyone. Most don’t have the stomach for this.
This IS war.
#7 by BGLass on 04/04/2012 - 7:59 am
“They have to suppress us because otherwise it will not be only white people who can be insulted daily…”
many whites realize this, instinctively— and so they stay very silent, believing that —if they keep their mouth shut— it will stop this alternative of total free-for-all, which is what they anticipate and fear, not even considering other alternatives to that.
they are not focused on any particular group, the way is often thought, but silent because if it stops being ok to attack just them (they feel they are strong and can take beatings and may even pride themselves on it, in the style of the Weakest Generation), the alternative will be everyone attacking everyone— so they are experiencing themselves, secretly, as the last bastion against mob chaos, in this way.
(So when they are called “racists” and such, it is non-sensical, some strange thing out there that the others say, and are taught to say, on the basis of movies narratives they are taught— and without those others every comprehending the silent real reality of the white person’s interior world) Another thing among many to be born, to be endured, to be silent about.
some anti-whites do not secretly believe they are protecting non-whites by their complicitous silence (although they are taught silence/ inaction is complicity)— but stopping the free-for-all situation they assume is the alternative, what their founders said was the reason they should want republic, not ‘democracy’ (isn’t that just code for communism?)
If they say so much as one word, all hell will break loose.
—-it’s gross that all isms, programs and cults have to persecute (supposed) heretics. So if you have that, you won’t be allowed to THINK. Like if you say a positive thing about jews at TOO, lol, just for fun, the way I used to. I mean, at least they’re smart, and their church is called a “school” and their really religious people are called “scholars,” while some christianities totally dumb down our population. Or create priesthood Experts, corporatist gatekeeper types, who are the only people allowed to read the good books. What about THAT. But the only thing that will be said is —by observing such a thing— you are a blind judaized brainwash victim who must be pro-zionist-wars!
—And yet america was founded by people who WANTED to think. NEEDED to. Were genetically HARDWIRED to. It’s just not right for the Ant Colony Cultists. They have no need for Freedom at all (not freedom to THINK).
And so they turn it into freedom for free stuff, or freedom of choice in groovy chinese products (lol), or freedom from legal slavery a billion years ago, or freedom from hitler, or stalin or the Big Bad Jews, or the evil protestant heretical enlightenment illuminati menace, or somebody else, some great oppressor—take your pick since there are certainly enough to go around.
Anyone talking about those “freedoms” can’t even comprehend Freedom in the sense that this certain core population who must THINK meant it— and NEEDS it—- to THINK, to freely associate, from monetary debt slavery– in order to have good space to create, innovate and THINK.
A Bugster is a thinker, imo, who must have something to DO. Seeks a space to DO it FROM.
#8 by Jason Here on 04/04/2012 - 8:59 am
I usually don’t find arguing with anti-White very fruitful, especially compared to just posting more mantra somewhere else However, when I do respond to an anti-White, I rather enjoy making them admit (or confront) just how much they hate Whites. Is that an effective strategy or a waste of time?
Instead of arguing, I just say, “oh really, so you think all Whites deserve genocide due your complaints? How much pain should we be made to endure?” Because some of the anti-Whites will attack all Whites in a tone that sounds genocidal, thus proving our point.
It’s fun to remain calm and peaceful while they lose their grip.
#9 by Simmons on 04/04/2012 - 9:33 am
Basically a few reactionary depressives threw a ball and the Bugsters just might have gone obsessive themselves and maybe not in a productive way.
The Mantra is factually correct, no weakness there, and it defeats the censorship of the anti-whites while at the same time conducting an interogation of these brainwashed cultists.
Like I said a many a time we might not want the AMPW people, they might be a combination of ego, obsessiveness and other mental/emotional maladies that make them human volcanoes.
#10 by Jason Here on 04/04/2012 - 10:10 am
A lot of our people (well maybe not BUGs) will spend an hour arguing with some obvious fake. It’s a big temptation, I feel it myself, but we have to all get over it. It’s a tactic to get us off our game. If we all make a habit of marking some disruptive anti-White as spam does that get them hidden over time?
Looks like more lectures on the evils of tailgating are needed. They could post 50 messages in the time they spend arguing with some fake jerk whose mind they cannot change.
#11 by H.Avenger on 04/04/2012 - 11:55 am
“Like I said a many a time we might not want the AMPW people, they might be a combination of ego, obsessiveness and other mental/emotional maladies that make them human volcanoes.”
Simmons, I concur.
“reactionary depressives” there’s a classic for the history books
#12 by Dick_Whitman on 04/04/2012 - 6:36 pm
I double concur.
As BUGS and FTWR grow in influence, be aware of people within the pro-White/White Nationalist struggle who don’t want to see BUGS/FTWR succeed.
These people have “great leader” fantasies and see a threat in any successful pro-White entity that they can’t be “the fuhrer” for.
The best leaders are people like George Washington. He did the hard work in fighting the war and then didn’t even want to be President. William Wallace didn’t want to lead at first either.
Watch out for the “fuhrer” types.
#13 by Gavin on 04/04/2012 - 1:50 pm
Breaking the anti-White mentality is what BUGS is all about.
For instance there was a video where some African beat and robbed a White man and someone commented that if the tables were turned Al Sharpton would be having a vigil.
I replied “Where are the leaders of the White community to speak out against this anti-White crime?”
To which another person responded “Leaders of the White community? That sentence alone sounds racist. We’ve been indoctrinated and brainwashed by all this political correctness. What a country.”
Then an anti-White said something about the “KKK” and was downvoted.
We are breaking the anti-White mentality up by point out these small things.
#14 by Genseric on 04/04/2012 - 2:05 pm
Q: What’s worse than insisting that “the Mantra is a Program?”
A: Insisting that all “BUGSters are Programmed.“
#15 by mandela on 04/04/2012 - 2:50 pm
I have been mugged twice, both times by blacks, the last time I nearly died. When I have been stating this fact on the zimmerman sites and that no White group marched for me or even gave me a call to see if I was OK, I have been getting record # of positive responses in my email.
#16 by Gavin on 04/04/2012 - 5:15 pm
A personal perspective is great. Makes is easier for people to see where we are coming from.
Describing a personal experience is more powerful than “arguing.”
#17 by Harumphty Dumpty on 04/04/2012 - 6:49 pm
@ Simmons and Horus: This post on OO by Gregor seems to me a great way to use the ampw’s (and he has some other good similar ones a little bit before and right after this one):
Gregor
April 4, 2012 – 7:01 pm | Permalink
@Bobby: Right Bobby, whatever you say.
You see, I’ve been so busy working over anti-Whites for the last couple of hours, I’m not sure if I have the time to READ all the reasons you give for me to stop doing that, and sit here and read your stuff instead. It’s a real problem.
You see, if I spend time reading stuff like “NOTHING WILL, IN THE LONG RUN BE ACHEIVED”, I won’t have a chance to get off my ass and actually ACHIEVE what I’m achieving.
And if I dwell on your discussion of “NO ONE IN THE U.S. HAS ANY POWER OR RIGHTS AT ALL”, I won’t have time to log into all kinds of sites and slam the anti-White narrative with all the other people having fun messing up the stuff you are still complaining about.
Maybe you could help me out with an answer: Should I read more of your ideas, or should I continue whittling away at the problem itself?
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/04/ricardo-duchesnes-review-of-niall-fergusons-civilization-the-west-and-the-rest/?show=comments#comment-67861
#18 by Harumphty Dumpty on 04/04/2012 - 7:20 pm
Wow, and if you visit that OO thread, for a bit of fine recreation, check out Gregor’s exchange with Alice that begins at 7:06 pm today and culminates in his wonderful piece of writing at 8:06 pm!
#19 by Genseric on 04/04/2012 - 7:47 pm
That is a delicious retort.
Watch out for our Aryan friend Gregor. His short sword work is razor sharp.
#20 by Harumphty Dumpty on 04/04/2012 - 7:04 pm
Here’s another excellent post (my bold-facing) that Gregor put on that thread that can be tweaked to be put on pro-White sites anytime we have a hot thread going out in the mainstream:
Gregor
April 4, 2012 – 2:47 pm | Permalink
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve been spending time in the comments section of “The Video” (the one at the top right of this site).
It’s a veritable GOLD MINE for seeing how to use talking points to “handle” anti-Whites.
Copy/Paste to your heart’s content, and you’ll have all the “ammo” you need to go into anti-White spaces and disrupt the hell out of the anti-White narrative!
In case you haven’t noticed that video, it’s here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tacvR87FzBU
#21 by Genseric on 04/04/2012 - 7:52 pm
In my opinion, Gregor points out probably the most valuable aspect of the new video right here.