Away back when I was coming up, historians were paid to show how America was founded on Plymouth Rock. Back then, one of the Great Documents of American history was the Plymouth Declaration.
Just before America’s real Founding Fathers, the first New Englanders, landed, they got together in an emergency session on board the ship and made this Compact.
Everybody but me, as always, nodded with a blissful smile and went back to sleep.
However, the story of the Mayflower Compact comes out like this. Here were hundreds of people who had set off to settle the New World. They went through hunger, disease, thirst, and storms, crossing the Atlantic. Then an unbelievable emergency arose:
They saw LAND!
This total surprise required them to get together and weave together how they were determined to SETTLE this land.
NO, I mean NO ONE, ever wondered why a group of people who had set off to America to settle the New World were so astonished to run into LAND.
When I set up the Oversight Committee staff for the House, my Associate Director was a Harvard grad from Boston. She was absolutely astonished to learn that Jamestown was actually there before Plymouth! So I am not talking about high school freshmen here. This question about the famous Mayflower Compact was simply never asked.
The Compact was written in emergency conditions, but no one asked why finding land should be an unexpected emergency.
The reason was, of course, that the Pilgrims were headed for a previous settlement, and got lost. The Compact was famous in Boston because it was the charter document of Massachusetts. But when the Compact suddenly became the founding document of the entirety of English America, the question never came up.
It didn’t come up at Harvard. It didn’t come up at other schools that depended on New England money, which after the Civil War, was about everybody.
If the question of WHY the Compact was written is ever raised, one is suddenly facing the question of why those who set out to BEGIN settling the New World were so astonished when they found LAND.
The Academic Silence Treatment is not new.
#1 by Epiphany on 04/23/2012 - 6:46 am
Much of what passes for history is bunk. They seem to desire to make the study of that subject as unintereting as it possible can be. It is absolutely amazing what they tend to leave out.
They almost completely leave out the sins of the Soviet Union and Red China. Communist crimes, it seems are much glossed over.
And yes, it is quite eery how quicky people forgot all about the Soviet Union and The Cold War, once it collapsed. It even seems suspicious!
#2 by Jason Here on 04/23/2012 - 7:16 am
So Jamestown, Virginia was founded in 1607 whereas Plymouth Rock up North was only founded in1620; 13 years later. The real cultural and intellectual founding of what most of us mean by America, was in Virginia, not among the proto-socialist communistic that landed up North, I’ve heard this was well known until after the “Civil War”, after which is was necessary to move the creation myth of America to the North, because it raised too many awkward questions for it to be in the South.
The interplay between North and South has been in place since the beginning. The North has always had a more totalitarian view, whether it be puritanism or socialism, and has always been hostile to the greater freedom that flowed out of Virginia. The North went for Utopian worldviews, whereas Virginian’s political philosophies were grounded in the real world.
#3 by The Old Man of the Mountain on 04/23/2012 - 7:29 am
That is just like Thanksgiving.
Every inmate in the Federal Reeducation System has been indoctrinated to accept that wonderful gracious Indians taught ignorant European Farmers how to grow food, and saved them from starvation. Then they all sat down in brotherly harmony and feasted till the cows came home.
Unfortunately for the Reeducation System, the Thanksgiving Declaration was actually put down in writing, and what is even worse, it still exists today.
The European Farmers were thankful for the fact that they had not been butchered by ignorant backward primitive bloodthirsty Asian savages, the way their neighbors had been.
The entire Reeducation System is designed to hide the Truth, to guide so that you will misinterpret the Truth, and to just plain LIE to you.
#4 by BGLass on 04/23/2012 - 8:42 am
The “Abraham Lincoln online” site is to the point. It makes it seem as if his was the only “proclamation.” The difference between the two documents shows Washington’s appeals to hopes for knowledge and science (he mentions a smart nation more than once)— then Lincoln’s with expressing gratitude for money. Lincoln really was such a pig, lol. He is thankful for the precious metals, then does the gross-syrupy “christian” nod to “widows and orphans.”
Growing up in protestant church, I’m really glad we didn’t once mention “widows and orphans.” They were an issue somewhere, I guess, and I guess somebody out there helped them, but we were still grateful for being able to THINK, and for knowledge, and the exploration of our consciousness.
Personally, I still can’t understand why the Enlightenment gets such a bad name. Thinking and not killing people for thinking seems fine. At least as good as thanking God for gold and coal, like Lincoln did, or for smarmy do-goodism, like getting big brownie points for helping orphans. It’s like getting brownie points for “anti-abortion.” It’s just so obvious— that shouldn’t it be embarrassing to give yourself a self-appointed brownie point for it?
I digress, but the commenter led me to do a comparison of the Washington thanksgiving and the Lincoln thanksgiving (where his site obscures that there was a previous thanksgiving anyway).
Also, that site says— ONLY THE THE NORTH ever did thanksgiving, even if there had been another one, which there really wasn’t because it was on different days, and only Lincolns is the real deal. yes, this is digressing.
#5 by Epiphany on 04/23/2012 - 8:51 am
If modern people are 900,000 years old then it would follow that Civilization itself is around that old. There were probably countless truly lost civilizations that did not leave a trace of themselves long before Egypt.
I wonder if certain archeologists might have found some of them? Perhaps, such archeologists are riddiculed and persecuted by the archeological establishment. After all, if what I am saying is true, not only will they have to rewrite all the History books, but they would have to write LONGER History books.
Besides, who is to say exactly when Civilization actaully began, and where?
#6 by BGLass on 04/23/2012 - 9:28 am
“….The North went for Utopian worldviews, whereas Virginian’s political philosophies were grounded in the real world….”
idk— the South is just utopian in a different way. They are a different PEOPLE. Their folkways are different— a cross between big planters, jeffersonian ideal, and the super hard-ass Scotch-Irish of the borders, like especially where Virginia hits mountains (and before they were full of northern populations anyway) like by KY, TN, western VA, WV, NC outside the mess central NC became). The protestant native floridian type.
Roanoke “Lost Colony” /Raleigh isn’t mentioned, either. But its long-generational history is probably why Raleigh became such a “change area”target— with overnight influx of tens of thousands of northeast establishment types, military, federal money put into “development.”
That hub equals the “Bible Belt,” (code for protestant) and is the most vilified area (in msm) outside the “deep south.” So there are 3 “souths” there. (Four if you count what’s called “New South” which is the Northeasterners)
So no— disagree that southerners were “grounded in real world.” The south’s vision of “utopia” is a different vision from the yankee vision of its utopia. The Yankee Utopia of 1865 is different also from the current Northeast Establishment’s vision. All the Weiners and O’Reillys are not Puritans.
The south has a different sensibility, goals and values. It is a definable people, imo— with a religion, sensibility, way of life, way of interacting with God, with nature, with others, etc. A “folkway.”
In terms of IDEAS about nature, for instance—- I don’t mind reading Northern leftist protestant writers, transcendentalists, etc. I don’t hate Enlightenment writing, there are puritans I actually like, and I don’t blame the failures of america on protestantism heresy, lol. For that, some call me “Judaized” and TOO deletes my comments.
Whatever— I am “unchosen” / “a heretic” / ‘little blonde hitlers.’
“The South”—- is just a folkway. A “take” on how to BE. A sensibility.
With such strong rural roots— it would be hard to believe in “equality of outcome” simply because you CANNOT grow plants or breed animals that way. Unless you’re Lysenko, who I learned about here, lol, which is to the point.
Imo— “equality myth” then, is less a north-south reality thing—- than a City-Country thing. City people don’t grow or breed things. That leaves a serious ass gap in their education; In the country, a lapse in growing and breeding practices can mean starvation.
I’ve no idea if we are “equal” or not—- in the eyes of God, which is how that statement is meant, imo. To worry over how God will judge things is blasphemy.
On planet earth, some plants are stronger, and then it depends on context (what you want to use them FOR, which determines the yardstick). Obviously.
#7 by BGLass on 04/23/2012 - 9:47 am
The faux morality of the white ms right is the worst, far worse than the left. When they speak of themselves, they are “the elite” (stronger, smarter, faster, etc, etc— because it’s a dog-eat-dog world and they are “big winners” “pulling themselves up by bootstraps like little Horatio Algers— all self-appointed under a Welfare State, though, lol) Then, if even under this Nanny-State Affirmative Action System, they aren’t making such a good show, then it’s back to “it doesn’t matter; we’re all equal,” and they, too, are oppressed, even moreso than blacks, to hear them talk about it (by puritans usually, those great oppressors of men). Sorry but that’s just pathetic.
People go on about affirmative action as if it’s all about non-whites. But Lord— look at all those whites benefitting on t.v., lol.
#8 by beefcake on 04/23/2012 - 10:32 am
Well that’s just one example of a forgotten history, that modern academia likes to ignore.
Once you realize that you figure out ALL of what we have been taught as OFFICIAL truth might be plain BS.
So then you are left wondering, what really did happen?
I keep for myself what I call, an “evolving model of history”, with NOTHING concrete. Things can be taken out and replaced in an evolving model, its like a puzzle, and don’t get emotionally attached to any one piece.
Right now it looks like humanity was engineered to perform manual labor by giant sized superhuman’ ET’s, somehow involved in a War that looks more like Star Wars than an ethereal battle between God and Satan. Today we just call them that.
Hey its in my model of history, prove me wrong, don’t call me names that mean Heretic.
Anyhow, weather we do, or do not agree on that, we can ALL agree that White Genocide is bad, and it is going on right here and now, and THAT is what we are ALL about putting an end to here.
Ripping apart the old terminology used to control the message that has imposed conditions on us that lead to the destruction of our race. We impose our new Terminology, and spread our Meme into the public consciousness, in order to end the ongoing Program of Genocide against our Race.
Then once it is won we make SURE Wishtory does not record us as a team that ended a program of Genocide by talking about Black Crime stats and the mind control powers of the Joos.
#9 by Wolfram on 04/23/2012 - 11:34 am
“Ride with the Devil” –(1999) Movie takes place in Kansas during the Civil War. Not my opinion but an interesting perspective from Ang Lee (a chinese director).
Mr. Evans: You ever been to Lawrence KS young man?
Jack Bull Chiles: [scoffs] No, I reckon not Mr. Evans. I don’t believe I’d be too welcome in Lawrence.
Mr. Evans: I didn’t think so. Before this war began, my business took me there often. As I saw those northerners build that town, I witnessed the seeds of our destruction being sown.
Jack Bull Chiles: The foundin’ of that town was truly the beginnin’ of the Yankee invasion.
Mr. Evans: I’m not speakin’ of numbers, nor even abolitionist trouble makin’. It was the SCHOOLHOUSE. Before they built their church, even, they built that SCHOOLHOUSE. And they let in every tailor’s son… and every farmer’s daughter in that country.
Jack Bull Chiles: Spellin’ won’t help you hold a plow any firmer. Or a gun either.
Mr. Evans: No, it won’t Mr. Chiles. But my point is merely that they rounded every pup up into that SCHOOLHOUSE because they fancied that everyone should think and talk the same way they do with no regard to station, custom, propriety. And that is why they will win. Because they believe everyone should live and think just like them. And we shall lose because we don’t care one way or another how they live. We just worry about ourselves.
Jack Bull Chiles: Are you sayin’, sir, that we fight for nothin’?
Mr. Evans: Far from it, Mr. Chiles. You fight for everything that we ever had, as did my son.
#10 by Harumphty Dumpty on 04/23/2012 - 12:06 pm
“But my point is merely that they rounded every pup up into that schoolhouse because they fancied that everyone should think and talk the same way they do with no regard to station, custom, propriety. And that is why they will win. Because they believe everyone should live and think just like them. And we shall lose because we don’t care one way or another how they live. We just worry about ourselves.”
Interesting. I’m becoming vaguely aware of the idea that pro-Whites are not prescribing a plan for all the world (unless it be, for each people, “to each his own”), whereas anti-Whites are. That seems true to me. Despite that at the moment anti-Whites’ plans are focused very largely on the White race.
#11 by Epiphany on 04/23/2012 - 11:58 am
The “Conservative” Talk Show hosts feel all fine and dandy about bad mouthing the Muslims. They bad mouth them all day.
I swear, if anyone would bad mouth anyone else, the way that they bad mouth the Muslims, well, we all know where that would lead.
Such “Conservative” Talk Show hosts would not dare to badmouth anyone else like that, except paradox of paradoxes, the Feminists. I even read Mark Steyn’s book, “America Alone.” Seems to me, he subconsciously admires the Muslims. Of course, he consciously hates them, but when one really reads between the lines, one comes to the firm conclusion that it is the Europeans he looks down upon. Fascinating!
The “Neo Conservatives” are Liberals. The only difference between them and those they call Liberals is that the “Neo Conservatives” are pro–Israeli and the Liberals are pro–Palestinian.
#12 by Harumphty Dumpty on 04/23/2012 - 12:18 pm
Well once again, just as an item of the history of 60 years ago, attending elementary school in Richmond, Va. then, I was taught very plainly that our history began at Jamestown. I was taught that our history began with Virginia, bless her soul, back when she had one. Plymouth I was vaguely aware of.
Apparently I’m being told that for some time now that’s not what’s taught. My mind is sure that I’m being told correctly, but I still can’t quite believe that such a change has happened.
#13 by backbaygrouch on 04/23/2012 - 7:09 pm
Bob is having a bit of fun at the expense of my ancestors. The reason for the Compact and the motivations behind it are murky and it is doubtful that the Pilgrims were ever forthcoming about them.
They were not lost. There had been settlements along the Maine coast. The shore line was known. They knew where they were and they liked it. They settled outside the lands granted to their financial backers. They did not want to be governed by the restrictions placed by the Crown in the Charter or by the contract they had with those holding the Charter.
They had the option of sailing south after the winter. They knew where to go and had the means to do so. The Compact is the decision not to.
The Mayflower Compact was the first overt expression of American independence. It was cloaked with the excuse of emergency. A matter of security. [Sound familiar?] The New England clergy never accepted that the King was the head of their church. Their history is a long story of resistance to the episcopal authorities in London.
Their motivation was too revolutionary to be made explicitly. And it was not entirely Simon pure. The case can be made that they stiffed the investors back home.
The Compact was the first in a long series of idealistic, harebrained attempts at communal, separatist living. They all failed though the impulse has lurked in the background.
Like most historical events of some import this one is open to interpretation. Perhaps i am wrong. But an explanation depending upon the theory that the Pilgrims were lost wanderers has a large credibility problem. They were not dumb. They were already self exiled to Holland from the rule of a king they felt little loyalty towards. They had a vision of a Utopia and they gave it shot. It went bust.
As an aside to one who knows Virginia history far better than I do, were the ‘first slaves,’ the Africans brought ashore in 1619, really slaves or were they indentured servants who gained freedom after a term of years? What was their legal status? That, too, may be a myth that no one questions. It has consequences.
#14 by BGLass on 04/24/2012 - 8:36 am
The Compact was the first in a long series of idealistic, harebrained attempts at communal, separatist living. They all failed though the impulse has lurked in the background….
you sure can’t blame them and –one day maybe it won’t be harebrained– in many ways, it’s easy to imagine more freedom in europe then than we have now. Off the grid was probably far easier.
#15 by Bob on 04/24/2012 - 11:46 am
BBG:
Indentured, and thanks for the info.subst.proces
#16 by backbaygrouch on 04/25/2012 - 4:06 am
Bob:
As contracts of identured servitude preceded the Negro migration, you are saying that the first slaves in America were Whites, that by at least the 1630s Virginia must have had a free Black population, that, as it prospered, may have itself owned slaves some of whom could have been Whites. This is not Mommy Professor’s narrative.