Gavin says:
“So the mistake of the Google age is…not looking at why a piece of information is available?”
I read this article several times and got kind of frustrated that I couldn’t seem to pick out the point.
Two things the world really needs is writers who have the guts to admit they screwed up and readers to say they just don’t GET it.
Most of the old writers who make total goofs of themselves are crippled by readers who think that if they do not understand The Master, it is because of a lack in them.
Often I know I’m saying something important but I haven’t gotten it straightened out in my mind.
So I thought about the basic point here again.
How’s this?
In the Chained Book Age , when books were so few they were chained and guarded, someone who could read Greek and Latin and had access to the chained books and had actually READ them, was King.
In the University Age, professors used this old superstition about Classic Authorities as a front, telling each other, as they had since the Chained Book Age, that the public should be ordered around by the Intellectuals. Those who did not agree with Father Mommy Professor just Didn’t Understand and should leave the world to their betters.
Now we are at an opposite pole in ONE sense: We have information by the ton dumped into our laps.
But the basic problem is the same one we had in the Chained Book Age: Is it all true? How much of it is embarrassing tommyrot?
If there is tommyrot, why would anyone PRODUCE that tommyrot?
The world has changed greatly since I wrote about this problem in my first book in 1976. Back then, the idea that the National Education Association had a vested interest in big government that was as blatant as big business’s financial and power interests was entirely new.
Those who live off of government want big government. That was wildly radical in 1976, and many conservatives who thought of themselves as the PROPER Ruling Elite resented it as much as leftists did.
Try Googling any subject and you will get nothing unless you understand why what comes up under your subject is there. There are ads. We know why they are there. There is Political Correctness, you know why that is there, and it is not just because it is The Truth.
But most people think it IS the truth. To really understand Internet information, you must understand why it is THERE, why it is PRODUCED. You understand instantly why you get so many ads, but you don’t go into the SUBTEXT, you don’t do the Mantra Thinking, which is taking the obvious and applying it to its full depth.
All information is produced for a reason. If you don’t think about that reason, you cannot analyze the data.
All this makes the subject much clearer to ME, and I wouldn’t have done it if Gavin hadn’t just flat said, “This is not clear.”
#1 by Jason on 06/09/2012 - 6:58 am
Fascinating perspective. Now, can one of the reasons information is produced be purely interest in the truth? I know Bob mentioned that Germans take a strong interest in the truth for its own sake. We should have a few general categories that cover why most information is produced (political reasons, grudges, obsessions, honest pursuit of truth, commercial reasons, etc.)
#2 by cecilhenry on 06/09/2012 - 9:56 am
Any suggestions on how to respond to this comment someone posted in response to the Mantra:?
“How am I anti-white? How am I supporting Genocide? The only reason Whites are decreasing in population is because of two reasons. Recessive genetics and low birth rates. There is no policy that is stopping white people from having children. Whites are simply being out-breeded by other races. ”
Its almost like the guy never read the Mantra— and is just continuing a knee jerk reaction.
I think the short answer is– why do you justify genocide by giving ANY answer. Low birth rates make it okay to do genocide- when the low birth rates are a consequence of genocidal anti-white policy?
The comment about recessive genetics is too stupid to condone. I really think that people believe any set of words constitutes an answer and thus satisfies the need for proof!!
#3 by Harumphty Dumpty on 06/09/2012 - 11:56 am
My answer would be something like this (I think the most important point is the last point, which is built on a suggestion by beefcake):
Rather than encouraging a high birthrate in the white stock that founded and built this country, the anti-white policies of our governments have discouraged large families by whites and encouraged large families by non-whites.
Large families happen naturally when there is a fullness of spirit in a people, and whites have today been demoralized by six decades of anti-white propaganda that has been directed against us to make us accept our genocide.
A very successful campaign was carried out in the 1950s to make whites feel that having large families is wrong, is a threat to the survival of human life on earth because of overpopulation. Paul Ehrlich’s book “The Population Bomb” was a huge factor in converting whites to this view. (And of course ONLY whites…whites were the target audience!).
If we were allowed our homelands as other peoples are allowed, where we would regain our spirit and not be subjected to anti-white propaganda while being flooded with non-whites and forced by law to integrate with them so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence, we could restore our numbers in a few generations.
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Speakng of Gavin, he’s possibly the person here who’s helped me the most. Often I’ve posted on the working thread some post I had proudly concocted, too long and too much wandering away from the Mantra, just like the post above I suspect, and he’s come along and shown me the right Mantra way to have responded!
Maybe he or someone will perform the same service here in response to your request.
#4 by Harumphty Dumpty on 06/09/2012 - 12:06 pm
Certainly a factor in the low birth rate must be the change from rural life to urban life? A large family is helpful on a farm, but is an economic burden in the city without government policies to alleviate that.
But just gov’t propaganda that encouraged large families by whites would go a long way to changing the present view that has been implanted in whites that having large families is somehow “not right.”
That view is so much a part of white culture today that one may have to blink hard to see it.
Anti-whites may also suggest (correctly, IMO) that whites have also grown greedy for material goodies and comfort in preference to children. But anti-whites (in my single experience with this issue) don’t want to acknowledge any other causes!
#5 by Harumphty Dumpty on 06/09/2012 - 12:56 pm
I’ll make this my last post here today.
Certainly my long post above can be tailgating, so maybe it would be best just to use the very last paragraph.
But the thought occurs to me that tailgating may be chiefly following anti-whites into territory that they already control, whereas discussion of matters they haven’t managed to put their charge onto yet isn’t as damaging?
But as Bob has said in other words, any non-Mantra discussion at all does damage in that it dilutes the Mantra point.
So maybe a better approach than my long post above would be just the last paragraph in it, preceded by a statement such as, “Populations go through temporary variations in their numbers for lots of reasons, but those variations don’t wipe a people out, and have nothing to do with the genocide that’s being carried out against us by anti-whites.”
I would appreciate a little (courteous) feedback on this. I think my last suggestion is probably the way to go, but I feel a strong attraction to doing the kind of long post I did above. But I think that may be “Stormfront Syndrome.”
#6 by runner on 06/09/2012 - 2:13 pm
HD, I think your retort is compelling.
I would have simply said it is the “policy” of the media, government, and academia to say that the White genotype isn’t important and that Whites’ forced-blending (genocide) will help get rid of “racism.”
Anti-racism is a “policy” that everyone subscribes to that is stopping White people from having White children.
Anti-racism is just a code word for anti-White.
#7 by BGLass on 06/09/2012 - 11:29 am
No policies!!! Why are you denying policies exist? Pretending you actually believe things happen by magic? At some office or in your family, you’re probably the first to go on about people and their agendas. But on this, you turn right around and deny people make policies, pick sides, act with agendas. Suddenly, Everything Occurs by Magic! Suddenly, demographics change radically in short time periods BY MAGIC! LOL! Next thing you know, you’ll be talking about pink easter bunnies or something.
Did the “native American” Indians disappear by MAGIC, too? haha, your name must be Mr. Top Hat. Do you have a pink rabbit in there, Mr. Top Hat? lol Mr. Magic, hahaha.
#8 by The Old Man of the Mountain on 06/09/2012 - 1:14 pm
Writers don’t just write to flex their finger muscles, they write for a reason.
Any text you might stumble across was written by a writer.
Some writers are just hacks who write for money with no thought towards readers except as income.
Some writers write to impart knowledge (knowledge you can impart, wisdom is different) some to impart wit (which is a rare talent) and some just to dispense propaganda.
All text was born of an agenda, and any person who went to the trouble of uploading text to our Internet also did so for an agenda.
Not including certain facts, such as wild Indians are blood thirsty savages, would demonstrate an agenda, just as documenting that some absolute fool felt that wild Indians are much wiser than Civilized White Humans would demonstrate an agenda, and especially uploading such text would demonstrate an agenda.
Graffiti does not write itself on a wall, and text does not upload itself to our Internet; if it is there, then someone with an agenda put it there.
#9 by six gun on 06/09/2012 - 2:12 pm
Bob et al.
I’m putting this here as it will get seen by you guys.
I feel there is an issue with communications.
I think we will have to have another system for BUGS. These YT posts are getting spammed out very fast, like within minutes – this suggests to me that anti-Whites read where we post and go in marking as spam.
Everyone go back vote up and mark not spam.
I think we need another system to tell each other where we are posting. This is making us a sitting duck.
#10 by Gar5 on 06/09/2012 - 5:16 pm
@six gun
That is the Youtube auto-spam filter. To avoid it: 1. Only post the exact same post two times. 2. Your account may have received too many “Spam” flags so use another account.
#11 by six gun on 06/09/2012 - 6:33 pm
Well it wasn’t my posts but thanks for the information.
I re-posted and they stayed up.
#12 by Bob on 06/09/2012 - 2:22 pm
cecilhenry, your article is 100% classic tailgating.
Get off it.
#13 by Harumphty Dumpty on 06/09/2012 - 2:38 pm
Bob, I’m wondering if you were actually addressing my own long post.
My subsequent suggestion as a reply for cecil to use was roughly this:
Populations go through temporary variations in their numbers for lots of reasons, but those variations don’t wipe a people out, and have nothing to do with the genocide that’s being carried out against us by anti-whites.
If we were allowed to have homelands as other peoples are allowed to have homelands, where we wouldn’t be subjected to anti-white propaganda while being flooded with non-whites and forced by law to integrate with them so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence, we would restore our numbers in a few generations.
#14 by Harumphty Dumpty on 06/09/2012 - 3:24 pm
I think I’m still tailgating. How about this:
If birthrates dropped in Africa for some reason, would you support flooding African countries with non-Africans and forcing Africans to integrate with them so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence?
If birthrates dropped in Asia for some reason, would you support flooding Asian countries with non-Asians and forcing Asians to integrate with them so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence?
You’re just making excuses for white genocide.
You say you’re anti-racist. What you are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
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I hope I got it right that time. If so, I’m sitting here shaking my head at how long it’s taking me to do this sort of thing automatically.
#15 by six gun on 06/09/2012 - 4:01 pm
Hmmm this looks much better.
The issue the guy also brings up is the “recessive genetics.”
What this person is eluding to is if you assimilate white people into the floods of non-White immigrants which coming into all White countries and only White countries you can genocide them!
He has proven in that he is a genocidal maniac anti-White.
#16 by steadiness on 06/09/2012 - 2:44 pm
There are some people who really do write to inform, for their own gratification and in the hope that someone they inform will tell them about the new things they find. But these days, even in the math and physics departments, you find random women promoted for political reasons.
These days, you open your local fishwrap, and all you have to do is scan the headlines; everyone already knows what’s going to be written in the articles.
The newspapers curse the Internet and wonder why they are dying. They started dying before the Internet, though. They’re dying because they were taken over by journalism majors.
#17 by Gavin on 06/09/2012 - 3:47 pm
I believe I understand it much better now, thanks Bob.
Glad my lack of clarity could help us both come to a better understanding.
#18 by Harumphty Dumpty on 06/09/2012 - 10:18 pm
Gavin, I would very much value your opinion on my last effort, the one in italics, as a reply for cecilhenry to use as he requested in post #2, if you care to give it.
#19 by Gavin on 06/09/2012 - 10:40 pm
Like Bob says, he is tailgating. Your response indicates that you are not fully clear on the concept, don’t worry…I’m just starting to get clear on it too.
Here would be my response the the comment cecilhenry is asking about:
>How am I anti-white?
How are you not?
>How am I supporting Genocide?
How are you not?
>The only reason Whites are decreasing in population is because of two reasons. Recessive genetics and low birth rates. There is no policy that is stopping white people from having children. Whites are simply being out-breeded by other races.
Let’s cut the crap. What is being done to my race through forced non-White immigration, integration and assimilation in our countries is genocide. Supporting it makes you anti-White.
#20 by Dick_Whitman on 06/10/2012 - 3:02 am
I just have to draw BUGS reader’s attention to the SWARM work of “White Dude.” This Dude literally posts hundreds of mini mantras everyday it seems.
Damn fine work sir.
Prost!
#21 by six gun on 06/10/2012 - 4:33 am
Absolutely White Dude is a hero. I told him so the other day. 100% pure gold. I am proud to be his SF friend.
“Hey White Dude, you are a star.
I have copied so many of your Mantras – they are all diamonds.
I am a Mantra Magpie collecting these gems.
Your work is unsurpassed in BUGS.
Top class work White Dude.”
#22 by Bob on 06/10/2012 - 10:13 am
You an avoid tailgating if you keep FIRMLY in mind that our job is NOT to win an argument, but to get to the bystanders.
And stay on the offensive.
#23 by cecilhenry on 06/10/2012 - 11:02 am
I dont think I really ‘get’ the tailgaiting idea.
I think its that I should not let the opponent control the direction of the argument and the parameters or facts over which it is argued.
That its not to win the argument is a bit counter-intuitive, but I take it to mean that planting a seed of doubt and getting other people to think about the inconsistency in anti-white logic will work better in generating support.
Is this close to the idea at all???
Do I respond directly to an opponents taunts, or just go above them and answer MY questions. I tend toward just using their attitudes as a platform to get the message out.
#24 by Gavin on 06/10/2012 - 1:32 pm
Tailgating – Responding to what they said as if it has any merit.
Remember everything this anti-Whites say falls into one of the following categories:
1) Denying there is such a things as white people;
2) screaming about how evil white people are;
3) justifying genocide;
4) wishing for genocide;
5) denying genocide
6) Saying that I should not be allowed to speak because I am an evil man.