I HATE the fact that I have to bring this up. A major point of my article on the White Genocide Petition was to say for the hundredth time that we are samizdat.
Not a thing in the comments about samizdat.
Samizdat was anonymous. Samizdat fully accomplished what it set out to do.
Samizdat had an impossible aim, to bring down the Soviet Empire. It was done.
The fact that the Soviet Union was brought down is one of the most ignored giant events of history. Everybody knows more about Hitler’s moustache than they do about the whole collapse of that Superpower after seventy years.
Obviously there is a lesson here. Even more it is a lesson no one wants.
Those who made samizdat are more forgotten than those who really founded America and caused the end of British rule. Those who took over opposed independence and any talk of it.
I have said this dozens of times: there are those who do things and there are those who collect credit.
I think we can destroy the genocide system anonymously. We can save our race anonymously.
But whoever replaces the present system cannot just be samizdat.
History shows us that Samizdat WILL save our race.
If we spent less time debating how cowardly Americans are not to sign the petitions, and calling them cowards, while hiding behind code names, we might realize the truth I exposed.
You can overturn the system anonymously. But whoever leads has to go public, like the Old Man here.
Samizdat has not an ounce of power in the former Empire.
The media when they have to mention the former Empire talk only about Russia. That would be the normal Comment response, to talk about what the media would talk about. I am just heading it off.
BUGSERS must learn to stop thinking in the standard groove.
#1 by 4MyNation on 03/22/2013 - 10:50 am
Ok, I guess I need to repeat my point this time, and make it extra clear. My point in telling people that it’s silly not to sign the petitions is that, if they are online spreading the mantra or doing anything else pro-white, the government already has their IP address anyway. Anyone who thinks they are still “anonymous” at that point, well, I hate to burst your bubble. It’s not like the white house puts your name on the petition for all to see, either, just initials which has plausible deniability written all over it, and it’s possible to even lie about your initials. So you are just revealing your identity (or not if you lie about your name/initials) to those that ALREADY HAD IT ANYWAY. By signing the petition, you’re not losing any anonymity you haven’t already lost, because you don’t have anonymity from the government when they already have your IP address. Or, if blocking your IP address somehow, then I don’t see what’s to stop you from lying about who you are and where you live, either then. Free email accounts are plentiful, and quick and easy to create, as well. I wasn’t criticizing anyone for not doing what I haven’t already done. So it’s silly not to sign it, and I’ll stand by my original point that if you don’t (when you are already running around spreading the mantra, etc.) then you are just pointlessly acting like a little sissy, cause you’re already on the list any damn way!
Sorry to disagree this time, Bob. But that’s just the plain, simple truth of it!
#2 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/22/2013 - 11:20 am
Point taken, Bob. I just want to see our samizdat appearing in “Pravda” EVERY day! 🙂
As for your second point about what comes after samizdat needing to not be anonymous…yes, that’s clear.
#3 by Lord Nelson on 03/22/2013 - 5:43 pm
I am thinking that to go public you either need to be able to make a living out of it. Or already have so much money that there is no need to worry about it. Or at least have an ‘independent’ source of income.
Money is always a dirty word to those who already have lots of it. But that is the basic reality for most people. And it’s the major obstacle I see for most people regarding the issue of going public.
#4 by Asgardian117 on 03/22/2013 - 6:15 pm
Good point guys…i signed the petitions with my own email address, if they are going to come let them, i believe in our cause with all my heart. As they hall me off to jail and go to question my wife she will recite why i was locked up and recite the mantra on national televison…if they strike one of us down we would become more powerful than they ever imagined…ive got 2 children what i can do for them now cannot compare to what we are TRYING to give them this is a WORTHY and NOBLE CAUSE, its worth sacraficing for.
#5 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/22/2013 - 6:29 pm
“i signed the petitions with my own email address, if they are going to come let them…As they hall me off to jail and…”
I applaud your spirit, but the associations you make to your signing, I just don’t buy. I’ve seen this association made so many times on SF and now here. If I had a family, maybe my fear would overcome what I think is my rational appraisal of present and probably future reality. Dang it! No one is going to be hauled off anywhere for clicking initials onto a so-called “petition”! Where, where, are you guys getting this stuff????
Nevertheless, I admire that you overcame your fear and signed!
#6 by 4MyNation on 03/22/2013 - 7:09 pm
I’m going to say it again.
If it’s to the point where there were any repercussions to signing this petition (which doesn’t publish your name, if you even sign it with your real name), then anyone who has been actively pro-white online is probably screwed anyway.
So live it up and sign the petition.
And, now it’s burning me up. The truth is, I’ve been in this movement a while and I’m not exactly proud of all my actions. But as far as being a hypocrite or a coward: I’ve been in pro-white bands and had video recordings made of me which anyone can get right now and some are on YouTube already. I’ve been arrested and dragged through the courts on trumped up (yes, trumped up) charges and did two years in prison, not jail either but state penitentiary with murderers where I could see death row from my cell and where race riots were commonplace, and the food was barely fit for humans. I’ve been sued by the Southern Poverty Law Center. I’ve been featured on the History Channel. I’ve had my ass kicked on more than one occasion for being pro-white, and I’ve got the scars on my face to prove it. I’ve been thrown in solitary confinement for days and days on end because I made an issue of not receiving mail from my pro-white friends. My family has been threatened. I’ve lost job after job until the point where I had to start my own business. At a younger age, when I first got involved with all of this, I was socially crucified and lost my life as a musician who regularly got laid. lol Members of the Communist Part USA lived across the street from me and I single handedly scared them out of my neighborhood. I showed up when the FBI was harassing one of my nearby pro-white friends, claiming he was some kind of violent terrorist when he wasn’t, just for moral support. Everybody in town knows exactly who I am and exactly what I’m about. I’ve been to the meetings. I’ve met face to face with federal informants, Hal Turner to name one. Any of you guys doubt it? Email me at saintdrewsky@insightbb.com and I’ll be glad to explain exactly who I am to you, which is totally verifiable. All you have to do is Google my name. Not that I haven’t been networking with quite a few of you already. Any determined Anti-White could find out who I am just from this info alone. Until this point I’ve never seen fit to bring this up. But I’m no hypocrite.
I’m totally behind you, Bob. I’m just trying to get people to sign this petition to spread the message. I probably shouldn’t have chided people like that, and maybe the petitions aren’t that important after all. I just get frustrated. I’m sorry to anyone who took offense. Please keep trying, folks.
#7 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/22/2013 - 7:36 pm
4MyNation, what a story. Not the mental picture I had of you. I feel proud that I ended up at the same place you did. And no, I don’t reckon you are going to be frightened of signing a petition!
I’ve thought a lot that if all pro-whites had a better understanding of what kind of activities carry high risk for trouble and which don’t, a lot of fear might be dispelled. Possibly.
I don’t have a good idea of that myself…I don’t know of any books to read where anyone has made a study of it, or even given their anecdotal accounts from their personal knowledge of a wide variety of cases…but I’m confident that clicking initials onto what the White House is calling a petition, or even signing one’s full name to an actual petition, is well on the side of safety.
If you’re comfortable saying, I’m wondering if you know why the gov’t chose you to trump up charges against. And all the other trouble. If you don’t want to be specific (“I signed a petition using the name ‘N*gger Johnson'”), maybe a general idea would be instructive. Or maybe I should email you…that address doesn’t look like it will work..you have MY email, right?…what’s likely to be safe and what not is something I”m very interested in.
Congratulations for making it through all that and ending up here.
#8 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/22/2013 - 7:42 pm
I ran out of edit time:
what’s likely to be safe and what not is something I”m very interested in. If I understand more, I can speak more meaningfully to those who are afraid to sign petitions.
#9 by 4MyNation on 03/22/2013 - 7:55 pm
You just have to click on the email address to reveal it.
As far as what is safe and what isn’t, it’s my opinion that what Bob is doing here is as safe as anything pro-white could be, and mega-effective to boot. It’s my opinion that if signing that petition is dangerous, then any online activity is.
Back before the net was big, the movement was pretty much a joke compared to what it is now. Like I said, I’m not proud of the way I used to go about things. But I was young and naive, and it’s all I knew to do. Stay away from the old stuff, and you’re gold IMO.
Since then, I’ve toned it down, and even since that I found Bob’s way and have ran with it.
#10 by Lord Nelson on 03/22/2013 - 7:41 pm
Hey folks.
Chill out. Relax. Have a beer. And then read Bob’s ‘Actual’ post Again. READ it. And finally ‘UNDERSTAND’ it. Please. Before Bob has to repeat the same point, Again!
😉
#11 by 4MyNation on 03/22/2013 - 8:12 pm
I’m done, LN. lol Sorry. I just felt like after all I’ve been through, I’m not going to be told I hide behind a screen name. I can’t blame Bob though, he didn’t know. Now we know. And I’m sincere.
I think the problem is, I’ve already had too much beer. 🙂
I get it. The system comes down because of Samizdat, and then someone has to openly be there to pick up power. I’m not a leader, more of a follower. But I’ll be there as a follower.
#12 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/22/2013 - 8:41 pm
I re-read the two blogs and here’s my understanding, Lord Nelson (I skipped the beer, but will do my best without it). I hope you will tell me in what respects you think my understanding is correct, incorrect, and missing the point or missing some point, by sharing your own understanding.
We are samizdat, meaning we can bring down the anti-white system by the means we anonymously employ to spread our memes and phrases, but to seize power as the system comes down we will have to step out of anonymity.
As samizdat, the petitions are performing their function quite well, sitting up there on the white house site and even getting occasional mention in “Pravda.”
Because of fear of the powerful state, samizdat is anonymous, and so the expectations of myself and others that pro-whites here or elsewhere would generally be willing to register their email address at the residence and gov’t office of the chief executive of the state is a sign of our not understanding that we are samizdat!
Okay, my mind is open as always (I hope) to be instructed, but my view right now is that the part I just wrote about the petitions is correct only in that it describes the PERCEPTION of those whom we want to sign the petitions.
The REALITY:
1. Samizdat folk in the USSR had to take actual risks…the penalties for unauthorized use of mimeograph machines and for transmission of unauthorized materials were high, were they not?
2. No way does giving an email address to the White House compare with that! I’ve read enough about that site and its work load, etc. to be very thoroughly convinced of that. I do NOT believe they are going to install software to record the email addresses of everyone who adds initials to these petitions! I don’t even think we ourselves are given a second thought by anyone in power, to the extent that any meaningful action is taken (surveillance, etc.) I don’t think the powerful see any more threat from our methods than Jared Taylor does.
Okay, I THINK but am not sure that Bob disagrees with my last statement, and my head tells me that of course his opinion is bound to be more likely to be correct than my own, because of his great experience in gov’t (I have none) and his intelligence (he’s much smarter than I am) to understand what he observed there. My head understands that huge gap, but like most humans I still feel MY opinion is the correct one! (And I wonder why people don’t respond to reason! LOL! 🙂 )
Thanks, Lord Nelson, at least I know what I think now.
Okay, so even pro-whites who aren’t doing diddly still think of themselves as subversive “samizdat” and fear the state (to a degree that’s irrational with our own state at this time).
My hope at the moment is that there are mainstream whites who don’t have that fear of the state, and with the right approach will find driving up the signatures on these “weird” petitions to be their newest rage thing to do. Or something. All I know is that there is an incredible opportunity to create a phenomenon with these petitions (“white genocide” at the “White House”? I honestly feel like an idiot that I can’t figure out yet how to pick a fruit as ripe as that that’s hanging right in front of my face!), and that there IS some way to do it, and there IS someone who will be able to find the way. Possibly even myself.
In the meantime, the petitions are doing their samizdat job!
#13 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/22/2013 - 8:42 pm
Oops. No one’s going to read anything as long as what I just wrote.
#14 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/22/2013 - 8:51 pm
And of course it might be possible to turn the petitions into a phenomenon without having to drive the number of signatures up. I’ve been doing some thinking about that too.
#15 by 4MyNation on 03/22/2013 - 9:33 pm
As I recall, the newscasters made mention of “just since we’ve been taking about this, the signatures have gone up”. This leads me to believe it’s a factor.
#16 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/22/2013 - 10:50 pm
My thought is that they were just trying to make it sound like something worth reporting was going on. I can’t believe they themselves really thought that a rise from 392 signatures to 403 signatures overnight meant anything.
They didn’t really have a story but needed to make it a story, because it was a titillating item they wanted to talk about. Some guy puts up a petition on ANYthing and gets a few hundred signatures, that’s not really a story, because nothing is really happening. Until the media makes it happen. Well, except for the viewership on the site.
But petitions about White Genocide that get 20,000 signatures a month, that’s something significant that’s happening in the real world. That’s an honest story. It means something, whether it’s reported or not.
There was actually a news story, but they didn’t report it. That was the story that we couldn’t get any more than a few hundred signatures for the petitions. That’s a very interesting story! A story that certainly surprised me! I guess I’d bought the media myth of what badasses all we pro-whites are.
That’s my view of it anyway.
I’m still a little amazed that such a silly program is a major “news” show. That bit the woman said that the Republicans in their conclave or whatever could at least have spoken out against things like the petition…something like that…she mentioned the petition….man, they make it ALL up, don’t they!
Of course that was an excellent thing for her to say for our purposes. I’ve been thinking of how to get the two political parties into the petitions without it being too absurd. But if that lady is a national news commentator, maybe being too absurd is impossible.
You know, this is really disgusting work! No matter what part of it you grab ahold of! It’s all nasty.
It’s always good to see your username.
#17 by FirstTube11100 on 03/23/2013 - 12:14 am
Very true, H. D.. That politics is dirty work used to be common understanding. People would get into it because they cared about their community and weren’t like the power-obsessed demonics that are the mainstream politicians running around today. Of course, most of us in the pro-White movement are doing this Pro Bono so we already knew that. Still doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be, once in a while, given some air!
#18 by seapea on 03/23/2013 - 2:44 pm
“I do NOT believe they are going to install software to record the email addresses of everyone who adds initials to these petitions!”
I hate to break it to you HD, they already have installed that software. It’s called a database and it’s what they store all the information in when people sign-up. When you pull up your profile on the petitions website, you’ll notice the email address you used during sign-up listed (unless you changed the address after signing up, then that address will be listed). The email address is listed because it was recorded.
#19 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/23/2013 - 4:42 pm
I guess my question should have been, are they going to cull the email addresses of everyone who signs racial petitions and send them off to some police agency to do something with.
It would be easy enough to do that I guess, and perhaps they will for all I know, but “do something with” is the critical phrase. At some point, for harm to come to us, don’t the limited resource of humans have to get involved?
Hm, maybe not. Just electronically put all those culled names on a no-fly list.
I don’t see that happening now, no way, but I guess things could get messy enough in the future for it to be done. But by then…
Well thanks for your response, it’s made me think a little deeper. But I still can’t see adding initials to these petitions as posing any significant danger. Do you think otherwise? I’d really like to know what people think, and why. Of course I’d especially like to know what Bob thinks.
#20 by jo3w on 03/22/2013 - 8:07 pm
Samizdat was anonymous.
Was samizdat anonymous because its more effective to be anonymous or because there was a serious risk of jail and death?
Is “samizdat” more effective, less effective or about the same when done anonymous vs. openly? These questions are not smart aleck rhetorical questions, I would like opinions.
Secondly, A possibility occurred to me, I would like some feedback. I get very upset to see fear when talking about race in public. I am upset because I see no real risk when talking about white genocide, or being pro white. There is no hate in it. Anyone who questions me on the topic quickly realizes that it really has little to do with other races and is a question of self governance of our people. My idea was that maybe some of you old coots who have done this for years have been more effective than you realize. It’s not as dangerous to talk about being pro-white as when you started out doing this stuff. I’m not new to being pro-white, but I am new to having any associations with our cause. I’m fresh in from the world you have been changing and I am reporting that it is finally becoming OK to openly admit that you like being White!!!!!! Thanks
#21 by FirstTube11100 on 03/23/2013 - 12:36 am
Doesn’t seem solidly realistic, unfortunately. I would never, in a hundred-million years tell anyone to stay anonymous if they wanted to work as a known dissident, but all you have to do is look at the thread Mr. Tom Buhls started on Indiana University’s reaction to “#WhiteGenocide” being posted thrice… The university yells “hate” and “White supremacy” – nonsense, of course, but the stigma is there and it is engrained.
I wouldn’t mind working in person as part of an explicitly non-violent group to stop White Genocide. I would like to become involved with the debating and I hope that more of us would aspire as well. Try to be there for the PalChat tomorrow, for starters…
#22 by Scythian on 03/22/2013 - 8:19 pm
If you want real power, you can’t worry about getting credit, fame, money. There’s people who had more to do with changing the world than any famous historical figures, people we’ve never heard about and probably never will. Power is getting your ideas to take hold, and the best way of doing it is getting other people to think it was their ideas. And even if you know you were led to something, like my Mini-Mantra thread, the fact I did it (especially at a time when it was needed – just as the English tram video went viral) gives me pride of ownership.
You could name thousands upon thousands of things that get huge “popular” support, that don’t change the world in any meaningful way, if at all. Samizdat proves that a small anonymous group that doesn’t get PUBLIC support can bring down an Empire, especially when that Empire (as the anti-white one we are uncompromisingly against) is literally built on a foundation of bullshit – a Giant with feet of clay, if you will.
Did the people who gained power on the backs of Samizdat or the real (original) revolutionaries become the beast, or did they tame the beast? How do we make for certain the BUGS beast NEVER gets tamed?
#23 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/24/2013 - 7:59 am
“…when it was needed – just as the English tram video…”
Thanks for that!
#24 by FirstTube11100 on 03/22/2013 - 9:55 pm
On the subject of samizdat, I am putting up a blurb that should be used when a non-B. U. G. S.er comes out on the pro-White side.
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Good to have your support, pro-White friend.
For your information (at zero cost)…
>WHY White people are engaged in a fight against their own geNOcide: read the blog and hear “ALL BOB – Bob’s Web Radio” at WhitakerOnline dawt orgg
>WHAT White people are doing in the fight against White GeNOcide: go to WhiteGeNOcideProject dawt cawm
>HOW White people are fighting against White GeNOcide: hear the Podcasts at WhiteRabbitRadio dawt nett
>>Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.<<
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If you get "spam blocked", once in a while, you can get around that block at YouTube by using unconnected accounts, to stay in the game.
It makes a lot of sense to link them to good information, especially when it's all free information. You may have noticed that I am partial to "Bob's Web Radio", and it's my opinion that a mature and experienced voice is critical for multi-generational outreach.
Don't forget to use the "Mantra SHORT" in order to get to the point where pro-Whites are letting themselves be known. The Mantra has parts built in which will resonate against the anti-White "educational" programming… Give me your feed back, thank you…
#25 by FirstTube11100 on 03/24/2013 - 1:59 am
I changed the blurb this evening. I want to underline the non-violent approach. Thank you, “WhiteRabbitAwake”.
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Good to have your support, pro-White friend.
For your information (at zero cost)…
>WHY White people are moving against their own geNOcide: read the blog and hear “ALL BOB – Bob’s Web Radio” at WhitakerOnline dawt orgg
>WHAT White people are doing in the movement against White GeNOcide: go to WhiteGeNOcideProject dawt cawm
>HOW White people are moving against White GeNOcide: hear the Podcasts at WhiteRabbitRadio dawt nett
>>Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.<<
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#26 by Facio Libre on 03/22/2013 - 10:24 pm
samizdat is the pro-white underground force that counters the anti-white poison.. no one is demanding of anyone to throw themselves in front of a moving train in order to stop it.. Samizdat is about loosening up some bolts on tracks while nobody is looking..
#27 by Jason on 03/23/2013 - 2:32 am
Mantra thinking, in the form of BUGS or Samizdat, should never end.
It’s incorrect to say “when this phase ends” we would abandon the very techniques that we are using right now.
Once the change comes, it is true we won’t need to be anonymous. But the basic MESSAGE focus should be maintained, even if we have a new focus. Not personality driven.
For example, one new focus will be pushing reparations against those who promoted White Genocide, unto how ever many generations we can.
Mini-Mantras, talking points, etc. will be needed to encourage this. We will need to counter those who want to “forgive and forget”.
So, whatever else taking and wielding power involves, we need to keep up what we are doing now, in a continuously updated form, FOREVER.
#28 by Daniel Genseric on 03/23/2013 - 5:50 am
B.U.G.S. = Bob’s UNDERGROUND Graduate Seminar – Teaching the World Lessons No One Wants to Learn
Where do rabbits make their homes? Why underground, naturlich. What do we say dissidents DO when they feel heat from the sovereign? They GO underground. Underground means just that folks, UNDER-ground.
You lose the very essence of what we’re about here the minute you scrawl the message on a huge poster, poke your head up out of the bunker, and wave it around so the enemy can triangulate.
Like Bob said, “we are samizdat.” That means one must maintain plausible deniability whenever possible. Please read that last line again as an ass-kicking is the least of your worries.
So, should you feel the urge to “go public” in “reality”: Aspire to be a moving target, not a fish in the barrel. Stick, Stick, Stick and move. Stick and move. Stick and move.
And by all means, publish yourself. Just don’t get caught.
#29 by Asgardian117 on 03/23/2013 - 1:08 pm
Thank you for the acknowledgement harumphty dumpty…it took a little nerve to click the sign button but i really do believe in our cause..i gotta say it feels good to know tht im not ALONE in how i feel for YEARS i knew something was wrong and whenever i tried to articulate what was wrong i was shouted down and called the r-word, that doesnt happen to me anymore thanks to the men on here tht came before me. And we will make sure that it NEVER happens again to future generations of white children
#30 by Asgardian117 on 03/23/2013 - 1:19 pm
@4mynation…no offense taken AT ALL…you seem to have been through alot and im sorry for that i truly am, but i feel even sorrier for the anti whites that attempt to debate you lol…we are all fighting for the same goal maybe when change does come hopefully we can all get to shake eachothers hands and go seprate ways knowing what we have done for our race, that would be quite gratifying…BTW i am Thor Odinson on the YT comment sections if anyone sees me there, have a good day gentleman.
#31 by jo3w on 03/24/2013 - 8:36 pm
Let’s pull resources and rent a huge billboard in a major metropolis. Post the mantra on it and watch the news stories roll. Maybe it causes a riot…even better.
#32 by Asgardian117 on 03/25/2013 - 11:08 am
The feces would be flyin everywhere lol