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The Orwellian Creeps

Posted by Bob on April 17th, 2015 under Coaching Session

When it comes to really scaring you, the old movies like Teenage Werewolf were not even intended to.

I was about as naïve as kids came even in the 1950s.

But when I took a girl to a drive in movie, even I did not really believe the girl with me grabbed me entirely because she was so terrified by the makeup they put on Michael Landon to make him look like a werewolf.

And I admit it, I did not grab her back entirely because I felt the need to comfort her in her terror.

Real horror is produced by writers like Stephen King or movies like The Body Snatchers, where the hideous monster is trusted by the audience until he shows just the slightest hint that he is really one of the Aliens. photo kgb.gif

The same sort of thing happens when you go from movie goer to interrogator.

You get the chills as you realize that the person sitting there who sounds so normal is actually a true psychopath, a person who could slowly disembowel you without showing any emotion about it.

This chill of realization is what I call the Orwellian Chill.

When Orwell wrote Animal Farm and 1984, he made the most hideous villains use everyday language right up to and after the disemboweling.

He had heard his Marxist fellows use the same calm language and then seen what the Stalinists made of it.

Then read The Gulag Archipelago and see how this harmless and idealistic language turned into actions that would have made Himmler turn pale.

Never again will you mistake the horror monger for a run of the mill speaker. When you realize what his language can really mean, you get creeps that even Stephen King can‘t match.

Never again when you hear the word “extremist” will you think of the speaker as harmless. Every bloody handed tyrant routinely calls those he is killing “extremists.”

This alien in human form uses words like “productive discussion” to give you an idea what discussion he feels free to stamp out.

And, as in all really professional horror dramas, no one around you SEES THE MONSTER!

All they see is perfectly normal people using perfectly ordinary language.

I don’t need horror books.

I get the creeps damned near everywhere these days.

  1. #1 by Laura on 04/17/2015 - 11:28 am

    This article was born from a video I sent to Bob yesterday, which LL sent me.

    Here’s the video – (Watch the whole video)
    LL said “tell me who you think they’re talking about? They’re talking about JOBBIK, UKIP, Front National …. what “conspiracy” would THEY believe in?” It appears to me that they are most certainly talking about us/bugs and White Genocide.

    Here are Bob’s comments re: this video – “Listen to exactly what they are saying and think of each of them as an orthodox Marxist. All other points of view are invalid and dangerous and get “extremist” together.

    They are so hypnotized by their own political correctness it would never occur to them that they are saying exactly what any other Thought Police would say.”

    • #2 by Secret Squirrel on 04/18/2015 - 3:54 am

      They are also using the conspiracy theory repeater, which reminded me of the start of this video:

      Cultural Marxism for Dummies
      “To Leftists anything that exposes them is a conspiracy”

    • #4 by Secret Squirrel on 04/18/2015 - 7:04 am

      I think they are talking about everyone and that also includes people like Alex Jones, Preppers, UFO types. Anyone with an opinion they don’t like.

      Something else just came to mind. I noticed the ex RT lady used a talking point I heard a lefty relative use 3 or 4 months ago. “The internet was supposed to bring us all together, but people are now in their little groups, talking only to each other and that is bad.”

      So there has obviously been lobbying before this meeting.

    • #5 by Henry Davenport on 04/19/2015 - 11:33 pm

      “It appears to me that they are most certainly talking about us/bugs and White Genocide.”

      Laura, my own opinion is that probably no one in that room has ever heard the phrase “White Genocide” yet, unless by chance, being part of the Washington political circuit, someone might have cracked a joke at a cocktail party about White Genocide petitions at the White House.

      But to think that it’s impinged on their consciousness enough that they’d consider us a threat to them in any way…I can’t see that. I could be wrong of course, but I’m curious what evidence you’d point to that would indicate otherwise.

  2. #6 by Denounce Genocidists on 04/18/2015 - 12:51 am

    You have to be cold to do stuff that makes a Chicken Farmer turn pale.

    And we were sneeringly told during a BBC Orwell season that while his “dystopian vision of the future” has not come to pass we must always be on our guard against the twisting of history.

  3. #7 by Tom Bowie on 04/18/2015 - 1:04 am

    As I did the Radio show tonight this article was one of the featured items. I often draw upon the works produced by BUGS and to a limited extent Mantra thinking as a basic source. I also added a bit of commentary about the video that inspired the article as best as I could recall from one brief viewing and no time to take notes.

    Neither Rich or Myself think of ourselves as quite BUGSters but rather as your backup support in a way. Often is the time however that Rich calls BUGS our premier group in fighting White GeNOcide.

    With all the side topics we have to cover, we almost always find time to slip in some talking points. As luck (and a bit of work) would have it tonight was a special night in several ways.
    In among our small audience we had 5 hosts (5 that I recognized at any rate as such) of other shows with an audience ranging in size from about a dozen to quite a few more than that. (As a general rule downloads are more than twice the amount of live listeners.)

    Despite our small number of Pro-White listeners at this time, we’re being noticed; in part because we’re being noticed according to one person. We’ve become the attention of Anti-White Trolls and their self appointed Leader (Who is reported to be a White Nationalist by himself as well as some other White Nationalists.) who disavows any control over them after he suggests an attack. While the requirements of keeping all numbered guests and quite a few others blocked from chatting is a bit bothersome it’s not without it’s rewards.

    Despite feeling rather poorly this evening, I still managed to mostly keep the show interesting, uplifting, and on topic for this audience.

    In addition to this article; on Rich’s Show last Tuesday we did an impromptu reading of “The Exasperated General” and, Rich played an updated version he’d added a bit of sound effects to.
    The updated version starts at about the 1 hour 40 minute mark.

    • #8 by Denounce Genocidists on 04/18/2015 - 5:35 pm

      Tom Bowie: “Neither Rich or Myself think of ourselves as quite BUGSters”

      Surely the most basic definition of a BUGSer is someone who can attack the anti-whites while maintaining mantra discipline?

      We`ve seen you do that countless times, and there`s no mistaking from your podcasts you`re from the BUGS mould.

      No fake modesty is needed here at BUGS, see Coach`s comment below about his latest brilliancy.

  4. #9 by Bob on 04/18/2015 - 7:59 am

    As usual, my contribution here is providing a set of words which, in retrospect, will be seen as indispensable to seeing reality.
    The concept of white genocide simply cannot be shaken once it is clearly and bluntly introduced.
    I have seen writers arguing that the coffee shop chain’s attempt at freely discussing race would have been just fine if it had been a “real” discussion.
    For example, they said, a real racial discussion of race would begin with everyone recognizing White Privilege.
    No one, they said, would begin by asking why there is a Black Heritage Day and no White Heritage Day.
    This is routine Marxism: “Free discussion” means that everybody begins by accepting The Party Line.
    To the Marxist this is not The Party Line; it is simply reality, like accepting that pigs don’t fly.
    Our BUGS magic is in repeatedly stating the reality over and over and over.
    Once you have heard “White Genocide” the old thinking is damaged beyond repair.
    In exactly the same way, “Orwellian Creeps”: is needed and recognizable, and highly usable..
    Even if an AMPW did finally see it, they would take a whole book to deal with it.

    • #10 by Henry Davenport on 04/20/2015 - 12:07 am

      “Once you have heard ‘White Genocide’ the old thinking is damaged beyond repair.
      In exactly the same way, ‘Orwellian Creeps’ is needed and recognizable, and highly usable..”

      Bob, you’re suggesting “Orwellian Creeps” as a new meme?

      I think I’m usually one of the last ones here to warm up to new memes and understand their usefulness, but at first take, “Orwellian Creeps” seems to me beyond the sophistication of most of our audience. Do students in high school still read “1984”? Somehow I doubt it.

      Otoh, it does have that unlike-any-other-thing-you’ve-ever-heard quality.

      “You’re an anti-white Orwellian Creep. You preach love and tolerance and work for White Genocide.”

      Well I’ll be darned. That works for me. I guess if our audience doesn’t know what “Orwellian” means, we can teach them in passing. It works a lot better than the more familiar “You’re an anti-white hypocrite. You preach…”

      On that point of “more familiar”: It wasn’t until listening to the second hour of the audios Laura put up with a blog of yours some weeks ago, of your talk with Jamie Kelso, in which you pointed out to him and Gividen that “White Genocide” has shock value, that I really got that you never put things in a familiar way that the audience’s minds can ignore as being more of the same old same old. I first began to realize you avoid that when I had to struggle to memorize the very simple lines you wrote for the “Joy at Freedom Farm” video because I found it very hard to not unintentionally add the little words that we all include in our everyday speech.

      And meanwhile, other pro-whites are trying to sound as much like their audience as they can, so that their audience will be receptive.

      The ironies become crushing after awhile.

      Please let me know if I’m actually on the wrong track.

      Might “Orwellian monster” also work in my example above?

      • #11 by Secret Squirrel on 04/20/2015 - 4:38 am

        The young people I have seen discussing politics know Orwell. They may not have read him, but they have seen 1984 and can get it if they want it.

      • #12 by Henry Davenport on 04/20/2015 - 8:33 am

        “Might ‘Orwellian monster’ also work in my example above?”

        It doesn’t. Following a word by “monster” is too ordinary, too cliché, too expected. It’s an example of the point I was making that what’s too familiar slips right off the audience’s mind into oblivion.

        It seems like our minds’ natural tendency is to produce terms that bring us back to the herd. While what we want is terms that bring the herd to us.

        SS, thanks. I didn’t know it was also a movie.

  5. #13 by jo3w on 04/18/2015 - 8:56 am

    What I saw in the video was people terrified that their way of oppressing opposing opinions was being destroyed by the internet. In their reality everyone thinks just like them and opposition to that view is a small subset of evil people who can be controlled/marginalized. They are observing reality and it conflicts with their world view. They are scared, not me! For god sakes the woman actually implies that the mass exchange of information is bad! She is in poor company with others who agree with that opinion.

    • #14 by Denounce Genocidists on 04/18/2015 - 12:29 pm

      “What I saw in the video was people terrified that their way of oppressing opposing opinions was being destroyed by the internet.”

      The squirming was delicious.

      Ms Weird: “We thought the internet was going to be this wonderful exchange of viewpoints………BUT………it allowed…….”

  6. #15 by Horus on 04/19/2015 - 3:59 pm

    Just to let you rabbits know the SPLC has White Rabbit Radio on the map as an official “hate” group in MI. But the old coach out did me. They have him on the map in SC as running 2 hate groups! Bob is the kingpin of a hate group known as BUGS. But they also have another famous hate group known as WhitakerOnline down in SC. NICE

    Of course, what is news about all this is that the ADL researchers have denounced the SPLC in the last 72 hours for labeling individuals as HATE groups. Read below …..the infighting is intriguing….just like the hearings in Washington

    • #16 by Henry Davenport on 04/19/2015 - 6:30 pm

      The CCC adds one small brick more to the false view of the world that its diligent sensationalizing (to use a polite term) constructs for pro-Whites.

      ADL spokesman denounces SPLC’s fake “hate group” map

      Here’s the original article:
      New Jersey has fourth highest number of hate groups in country, says Southern Poverty Law Center

      If anyone thinks I’m nitpicking, please say so, since I have more to say. I resent the contribution that the CCC’s looseness with truth (not only in the accumulation of small distortions like the present one, but in the repeating of probable falsehood as known truth) has made to creating a false view of the world that makes pro-Whites afraid to even anonymously initial our monthly meme-messages at the White House.
      “Barack Obama has met with Malik Zulu Shabazz in the White House”

      The CCC joins with today’s influential “conspiracy sites” in creating the present distorted and hunkered-down beyond all reason pro-white mentality.

      The criticizing of the SPLC’s hate map by a spokesman for the ADL is very worth noting. But if it turns out to not be a harbinger of the collapse of anti-white regimes worldwide by next year due to internal infighting, as some readers of the CCC news may hope, we can hope that those readers won’t be so demoralized as to be forever lost to being of any use.

      • #17 by Henry Davenport on 04/19/2015 - 7:39 pm

        The remarks were made by the ADL’s director of investigative research. What’s a guy in that position going to say when questioned by a reporter about a complete absurdity?

        He’d probably like the SPLC to get its act together and quit skirting so close to the edge of ill repute that could end up reflecting on the ADL as well.

        Yeah, I overreacted a bit in my post above. I’m sensitive about any group that helps create the brick wall that blocks our monthly meme-message project.

        If the CCC headline had said simply,

        ADL spokesman criticizes SPLC’s “hate group” map

        I would have had no objection.

        It’s spiritually exhausting that almost everywhere you turn the truth is being at least slightly bent.

        • #18 by Secret Squirrel on 04/20/2015 - 4:34 am

          Who cares about SPLC and ADL going at it. I was wondering where the hell is our hate map? Have we got a hate map yet?

          • #19 by Henry Davenport on 04/20/2015 - 8:40 am

            Didn’t Bob suggest a couple of blogs ago that we start trying out the meme “anti-white hate“? Am I remembering that correctly? If I am, has anyone been trying it out?

            We eventually get our new memes into the monthly White House meme messages.

            • #20 by Secret Squirrel on 04/20/2015 - 2:41 pm

              I’m thinking of what the CCC does with their simple Black on White murders memorial wall, except anti-Whites are held responsible for the genocidal things they say about Whites, in the form of name, address, crime.

              Our memes aren’t going to really take hold, until individuals fear real world consequences like financial hits and social ostracism. Just reporting the news and people commenting under it, like they do at Genocide Project isn’t doing much of anything. We have to start taking scalps, like BBG pointed out here.


              Kickstarter’s community manager has been exposed here. Wouldn’t it be great if WGP covered that kind of thing?

              • #21 by Henry Davenport on 04/20/2015 - 4:08 pm

                I apologize to any members or fans of the CCC that read my above, since my tone was unnecessarily harsh. I can’t seem to remember to stop doing that. And I’m one of the proponents of courtesy 😉

                I know nothing about the CCC except regarding my pet peeve that I woke up thrashing around about this morning. Their memorial wall you mention sounds like an excellent thing and may outweigh my complaint by far.

                “Our memes aren’t going to really take hold, until individuals fear real world consequences like financial hits and social ostracism.”

                I think our memes will take hold under any conditions that we can get them out there*, whether anti-whites have come to be a little bit afraid or not. But any legal thing that does make them afraid I agree would be an important step forward.

                Please you and everyone send your ideas for WGP articles (or better yet, write the articles) through the contact tab there.

                The news articles at WGP aren’t only a vehicle for meme delivery to the 2 or 3 thousand visitors each day, but also give the site some “body” that allows it to be a presence in other useful ways.

                * “Anti-White” vs. the R-word

                • #22 by Secret Squirrel on 04/20/2015 - 4:15 pm

                  Will do.

                  • #23 by Secret Squirrel on 04/20/2015 - 4:51 pm

                    I just noticed the story is 5 months old. I have no idea if she still works there.

                    • #24 by Secret Squirrel on 04/20/2015 - 5:22 pm

                      Curse my eyes! She still works there and has been promoted.

                • #25 by Benjamin Newells on 04/21/2015 - 11:43 am

                  Our memes have already taken hold. I see Whites defending themselves more and more. I’ve seen this both online and in real life. There’s a big difference just in the last 6-12 months.

                  Financial hits will help big time though.

              • #26 by -Gar5- on 04/21/2015 - 9:24 am

                Secret Squirrel, do you want an account at WGP so you can contribute stuff like this yourself?

                As for an “Anti-White Map”, I have been thinking about that too. I have tried one online map maker, but it’s a little restricted. I will look at others as well.

                • #27 by Secret Squirrel on 04/21/2015 - 2:50 pm

                  Hi Gar,
                  I sent an email to Steve over there.

                  • #28 by Secret Squirrel on 04/21/2015 - 2:55 pm

                    Well not to Steve but though your general contact form.

                    • #29 by -Gar5- on 04/21/2015 - 4:27 pm

                      You should have received an email now. Let me know if you haven’t.

      • #30 by Jason on 04/21/2015 - 7:11 am

        Sounds like the CCC was exaggerating. But any criticism of a fellow anti-White Leftist is worth noting.

        If they are fighting over the same dollars, why is this coming up now and not decades before? Maybe it’s a shrinking pie of donations and they need to assert their “legitimacy” at the expense of the SPLC.

        Or maybe I’m dreaming.

        As for CCC, seems like every conservative or pro-White site is based on silly sensationalism.

  7. #31 by Bob on 04/20/2015 - 5:43 am

    Political warfare is a specialty unto itself.
    Most people interested in a cause soon give up basic political warfare when they begin to find jobs or go into fund raising.
    But I have remained in basic political warfare for over sixty years, though I have done my share of ideological prostitution.
    Because of ideological prostitution, one basic of political warfare is that for each dollar the SPLC gets, the ADL may lose a dollar of support.
    Givers have budgets, too.
    The article White Rabbit discusses demonstrates that SPLC is making a lot of money on its Hate Watch, and part of that money would have gone to the ADL.

    • #32 by Henry Davenport on 04/20/2015 - 8:56 am

      It would be interesting to check back in awhile and see if the ADL has managed to plant those remarks elsewhere, or if bloggers and other news sources pick them up (a la “Confessions of a media manipulator,” by Ryan Holiday) so that they come to the attention of donors. So far, the remarks appear only in that obscure (?) South Jersey paper and in the CCC article.

      I wonder if Jewish publications would be most likely to pick them up. Btw, according to Don Black, Heidi Beirich says she’s not Jewish, and I heard Mark Potok say in an interview with Jim Giles long ago that only one of his parents is jewish…I forget which one…and that he doesn’t care much about Israel. That latter is believeable, since far lefties are most often anti-Israel in my experience. I’m not aware of the splc openly supporting Israel the way the ADL does. I realize that this probably has little to do with your point about donors, except for the question of how knowledge of the ADL remarks will reach them.

  8. #34 by Secret Squirrel on 04/21/2015 - 4:53 pm

    Got your mail Gar

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