Donald Trump is following a strategy which is as old and as true in politics as buy low and sell high is on Wall Street:
In Republican primaries you run right of center, for the Democratic ones you, run left.
That is because the Republican BASE tends to be right wing and the Dems’ base is left of center.
The nominee then spends the period until the election backing off what he said in the primaries.
This is an election.
This is not Twitter.
Trump’s stance is more reflection of the Mantra than representing it.
Exactly the people who cannot deal in power politics are the ones who go nuts over a headline.
#1 by Secret Squirrel on 08/27/2015 - 12:55 pm
He plans to kick the Mexicans out, then let them back in and wants to bring Syrian Christians to America. These are the same Syrians that nationalists in Germany are rioting over.
But on SF, Trump is our savior. He would never tell folks what they want to hear, so they will vote for him. WN like him because he is politically incorrect. But what does he really say that is politically incorrect? He’s never named Whites directly. Its always vague, so people hear what they want to hear.
#2 by Jason on 08/27/2015 - 3:58 pm
Trump’s stance is more reflection of the Mantra than representing it
Exactly. BUGS made it possible for a GOP candidate to cash-in by appealing to White anger. But if we hadn’t done this work, there is NO way Trump would be talking abut any of this.
And since Trump wants to win in the short term more than anything else, he will back off his early positions in the general election. He would govern as a typical moderate.
#3 by Laura on 08/28/2015 - 11:13 am
Exactly, Jason.
You pulled out the one sentence Bob thought people might not understand and explained it perfectly.
“All of them think in terms of the Latest News.
A good rule from a pro: The more a person mentions Trump, the less use that person is to us.
The Mantra is a long term power move. Trump is Twitter.
Trump, may get elected, but he will be of no use to US.
If you can get Trump’s attention, you are out of league on the totem pole
And if I could reach Trump or Perot, they would not change anything that needs changing.
Even if Trump is elected, he will be far less important in our future than those tens of thousands of Mantra calls we got out.”
“The nominee then spends the period until the election backing off what he said in the primaries.”
This picture reminds me of Sarkozy, who claimed he was all for stopping immigration into France and once elected he openly advocated for the destruction of France even to the point of threatening more coercive measures if racial interbreeding was not done voluntarily.
#4 by Secret Squirrel on 08/28/2015 - 3:33 pm
“But if we hadn’t done this work, there is NO way Trump would be talking abut any of this.”
The funny part is Trump said same thing: “If Trump didn’t raise this issue (two weeks ago), no one would be talking about it.” Trump, Trump, Trump.
I assume that is what Bob meant when he said it will be 1980 all over again. The only thing THEY are good at, is taking credit for the work of others.
#5 by Secret Squirrel on 08/28/2015 - 4:03 pm
Sarkozy would be useful to point out. Is there a rule that the tougher the conservatives talk, the more they turn traitor when they get power?
Reminds me of what Don Black said of his experience of tough talking WN. The tougher they talk, the faster they squawk when the Feds interview them.
#6 by Henry Davenport on 08/29/2015 - 12:07 pm
I’m one of the ones Laura referred to who was enlightened by your explanation of that sentence by Bob. 🙂
It’s unusual that I disagree with you about anything, but I do disagree that our work has been much of a factor in the Trump phenomenon.
I’ve always felt, correctly or not, that at any particular point in time we give ourselves more credit than we deserve for our actual accomplishment up to that moment.
I’m excited by the progress that “anti-white” is making in the mainstream now, and even “white genocide,” but I’d guess that 95% of the White masses showing up at the Trump rallies have never heard the term “anti-white” yet, and virtually none of them have heard the term “white genocide” yet. Maybe I’m wrong, or maybe many of them have been influenced in some way by those who have heard the terms or have been influenced by those who have been influenced by the whole genocide understanding of our situation (and that last factor is what I may not be appreciating sufficiently: the far reach of the effect of what we’ve been doing). Unlike probably most of you, I don’t have much contact with the world, but based on reports from others and what I’ve seen online myself, our memes are definitely spreading. I just don’t think they’ve spread enough yet to have had much influence on the Trump phenomenon.
I think it’s important to keep our feet on the ground and our noses to the grindstone.
I agree with Laura entirely:
The Mantra is a long term power move.
#7 by Jason on 08/29/2015 - 7:09 pm
Always good not to get swept up in the current headlines. But I think our influence is greater than that. The SPLC thinks so!
This author claims that “internet trolls” on social media have been given voice by Trump.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/08/donald_trump_his_rise_demonstrates_the_alarming_success_of_internet_trolls.html
I’ve heard several media types express alarm over the “white nationalist” elements supporting Trump.
#8 by Jason on 08/27/2015 - 4:07 pm
A campaign between Clinton and Bush would be good for us because it would be so boring. Pro-Whites might focus on Bob’s campaign. Instead, the SF crowd is thrilled by the prospect of an immediate easy win with Trump.
#9 by Electric on 08/27/2015 - 6:59 pm
Being politically incorrect is one thing but being PRO-WHITE is another. Lets hope once we’re over this “politically incorrect” stage, Whites will start demanding a pro-White politician.
#10 by Jason on 08/28/2015 - 9:07 am
I apologize to Coach Bob and the group for being ill-tempered a few weeks ago.
By Odin’s good eye, I’ll do better! So much work to do.
#11 by Henry Davenport on 08/28/2015 - 7:03 pm
I think Trump is giving people with pro-White leanings a foot up, including even us official pro-Whites. Won’t the public think of “White Nationalists” as being slightly closer to the mainstream life of this country now that Trump has been queried by major news folk on his support by “White Nationalists”?
I want to see Trump elected and see news folk querying him about White Genocide.
It just occurs to me right now that if we can have a White House meme-message every month that plays off Trump as we’ve been doing and will do again Sunday, we should be able to have one that plays off Bob too.
We wouldn’t be allowed to just support Bob’s candidacy (which I’ll let be my excuse for not thinking of this earlier), but using Bob’s candidacy to put the White Genocide issue to Trump month after month could be a short term and long term winner. Hopefully we will get it lodged in the brain of every news person in the country. (Sorry to be so slow, Bob! I’m picturing you saying, “He hasn’t thought of this until NOW?” 🙂 )
Duh, let’s get busy making the public think of White Genocide as the main problem Trump will have to deal with if he’s elected.
Here’s one of the 4 White House Meme Messages that will be submitted tomorrow:
Ask Donald Trump: “Mr. Trump, can you uncuck yourself enough to help us fight White Genocide?”
Will Donald Trump denounce White Genocide that’s being carried out by massive immigration and forced assimilation in White countries worldwide?
Or will Mr. Trump be just another “cuckservative,” another political White cuckold who accepts White children becoming a vanishing minority through LEGAL, not illegal immigration?
President Obama and Mr. Trump, join together and fight the restriction that no school, no town, no club, no country may ever be WHITE!
Censure the refugee resettlers and other anti-Whites who chase down Whites with “diversity.”
Oppose those who say they’re anti-racist, since what they are is anti-White.
President Obama, may you and Donald Trump shake hands and say together,
“Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.”
“Diversity is a code word for White Genocide.”
#12 by Henry Davenport on 08/28/2015 - 9:13 pm
Wouldn’t Trump be the first president since JFK to have a personality? (Well, Lyndon Johnson had a personality, but who wants to think about that). When JFK appointed his younger brother Robert Attorney General of the U.S., that was almost unbelievable, since such blatant nepotism was inconceivable!
But JFK said he did it because he thought Bobby should get some experience before he went into law practice, and the press laughed and that was pretty much the end of that.
It’s unlikely that anyone but JFK could have gotten away with that.
In his own style, Trump also gets away with things that other politicians can’t. Saying “anchor babies” causes him no problems, but for Jeb Bush it was quicksand.
Other national politicians suppress their personalities, but Trump uses his as a launching pad. His personality seems to be (he was only a name to me until about a month ago) that of a friendly irrepressible creator of controversy (but extremely smart; watching him handle interviewers is watching a work of art IMO), and I’d guess we’d continue to see that as part of his governing style. Create a controversy and use it to move his program forward (whatever his program may turn out to be).
Having a critter like that in the White House could loosen up public dialogue and public action to the benefit of our own project.
His particular personality may make him the only candidate that can keep the mess that’s coming half-way glued together.
Maybe without him we’d have the great SHTF, when the SHTF’ers all emerge from their cocoons and sweep us to victory. Oh yeah!
But I’ll put my money (oh, I don’t have any money, which shows how sharp my judgment has always been) on our chances in a political environment of life and vitality rather than an environment of sullen enervation or bitter chaos that the election and coming presidential term might produce if it’s just about politicians like Jeb Bush and Hillary.
Laura, can you get some audio of Bob talking more about Trump and the current situation? I worry that I may be a little more excited about Trump than I should be! 🙂
#13 by Henry Davenport on 08/29/2015 - 1:25 am
I forgot I’d already posted that petition a couple of blogs ago. Sorry.
Maybe this one for Oct 1:
Presidential candidate Robert Whitaker invites President Obama and Donald Trump to join him in ending White Genocide
If President Obama is serious about ending White Genocide, and if Donald Trump is serious about ending White Genocide, Robert Whitaker invites them to join him in actually ending it.
(etc…the usual)
#14 by Yankee Rebel on 08/29/2015 - 1:38 am
In Maine, Governor LaPage also appealed to the people who were sick of typical PC candidates, but he turned out to be just another A-hole that did nothing to stop White Genocide.
#15 by Horus on 08/29/2015 - 2:44 pm
“Give me control of a nations memes and I care not who makes it’s laws”
#16 by Henry Davenport on 08/29/2015 - 4:59 pm
Should AFP draft Trump as its VICE PRESIDENTIAL candidate on its STOP WHITE GENOCIDE ticket?
Mightn’t that odd twist open up some unusual opportunities for publicity?
#17 by Yankee Rebel on 08/30/2015 - 1:12 am
Can a candidate be drafted? I never heard of such a thing. Does the candidate need to approve it? Sounds crazy to me.
#18 by Henry Davenport on 08/30/2015 - 1:37 am
Bugs specializes in things people never heard of, and “White Genocide” sounds crazy to most people when they first hear it.
Maybe a newsman will ask him if he accepted the draft. Whatever he says, the question and answer is about AFP, and so it offers another opportunity for release of Mantra into the mainstream.
That’s just one possibility. My notion is to try to get a seat in the middle of whatever madness is going on and see what it might lead to.
#19 by Henry Davenport on 08/29/2015 - 11:33 pm
If anyone here, and especially Bob, doesn’t approve of the three Trump meme-messages that have gone up at the White House as of tomorrow evening, or doesn’t approve of the slightly different direction I suggested we might go with those messages in a comment a few posts above, they should let me know, and it would be helpful to know the reasons also.
My own thinking is that when swarming it generally makes sense to just do the complete Mantra or the kind of mini-Mantras we’re used to using (I assume that hasn’t changed since the days when I was swarming), but on a place like the White House site it’s helpful to draw attention by using celebrities, news events, or whatever, to leverage in Mantra.
I have no way of knowing what the rest of you are thinking unless you tell me. And Bob, if your blog was aimed partly at me because of the Trump meme-messages at the White House, I haven’t perceived the hint.
#20 by Bob on 08/30/2015 - 10:03 am
Pretty well every AFP Board Member has suggested Trump for vp,\
that I overestimate the mantra is also familiar.
hence the article title.
#21 by Henry Davenport on 08/30/2015 - 2:53 pm
Pretty well every AFP Board Member has suggested Trump for vp
Bob, putting entirely aside the motivations of the board, do you think that could mostly offer some additional opportunities for Mantra, or mostly would likely impede it, or a mixture of both? And, if you could include some of your specific thoughts about either possibility, that would help me and I assume others here a lot. An audio on it would be absolutely great! No rush.
It can’t help but be depressing to you, I would think, how little anyone on that board understands our Mantra work I’m sure, at least the several persons on the board that I’m somewhat familiar with. Bless Dr. MacDonald for what he does understand about the Mantra, and for his wonderful words about it in his recent article, but I doubt very much that even he fully appreciates the long-term power of what we’re doing, if he even knows what we’re doing (repeating, repeating, repeating, repeating)
I’ve learned from dealing with the Stalwarts that even among the pro-Whites who are willing to offer some help (and we still can’t get even 150 of them to sign promptly each month) there are very few if any who understand what we’re doing, much less understand the power of it. If you sometimes get depressed about the same inability among the AFP board, believe me I know the feeling…it’s been my constant companion for about three years now, much less than your own long struggle, but long enough to make me feel that this blindness of even intelligent people to something that’s so simple is one of the incomprehensible mysteries of the universe.
Since my arrival here just 4 years ago I’ve always thought this was likely to be a very long haul. I wasn’t bothered that for a good while there was no effect that I could see, because I was confident that there eventually would be, and now as I posted above, I’m excited that our memes are visibly loose in the mainstream. I see little way of actually measuring what the effect of our memes is up to this point, but I’m confident that there is an effect and that it will grow.
I’ve always thought that we’ve always overestimated the effect we’ve had up to any particular date…I mention this again only because one person thought this opinion of mine important enough (I don’t consider my opinion about this to be very important at all, since I hardly have my finger on the pulse of the American people, and I don’t see the issue of how much effect our memes have had to date as being of major importance anyway) to contact me and try, unsuccessfully, to change my opinion, and so I’ve written this long essay to you to try to be sure that there is no misunderstanding (which has happened between me and you before) about what my views about any of the matters above actually are. Thanks if you’ve read this, I know that reading something so long isn’t a pleasure.
#22 by Laura on 08/30/2015 - 4:41 pm
Had Trump tried what he is doing 4 years ago the establishment would be yelling “racist” the fact that they are not is due to our work.
#23 by Henry Davenport on 08/30/2015 - 5:40 pm
That may be true. That’s a much more narrow claim than Jason’s,
But if we hadn’t done this work, there is NO way Trump would be talking about any of this.
I’m wondering what you think about the question in my comment that to me was the important question: could having Trump be endorsed by AFP as their VP be useful to us in leveraging Mantra into the mainstream?
My tentative opinion is that it would be, but since my comments are already filling this thread, I’ll wait to see if others show interest by posting their own view and their reasons for their view.
#24 by Henry Davenport on 08/30/2015 - 5:52 pm
I hope we’re understanding each other. You posted above:
Trump, may get elected, but he will be of no use to US.
If you can get Trump’s attention, you are out of league on the totem pole
I think he may be of use to us, as I’ve stated, but certainly not by “getting his attention.”
I don’t think there’s likely any misunderstanding here of the difference.
#25 by Henry Davenport on 08/30/2015 - 6:49 pm
I just googled “trump is racist” without the quotes and actually he’s being called “racist” quite a bit.
But I agree that anti-Whites are using that word less, and are using “White supremacist” more, and it would certainly follow that Trump is being called “racist” less than he would be if that change hadn’t taken place.
That’s a weakening in the anti-White position (despite the fact that the “White Supremacist” meme is serving anti-Whites quite well at the present moment…that meme will weaken in time also), and I hadn’t thought of that fact in Trump’s case, I’ll admit, so I thank you for that.
My nature also compels me to state that I’ve never agreed either that we have as much responsibility for the lessened use of “racist” as we’ve claimed. Plenty of Whites who had never heard our stuff were getting very tired of that word. But we certainly had some responsibility for it. Especially among media I would guess, come to think of it…I think they’re more aware of us by far than the populace.
So hey, I could be completely mistaken! Maybe without BUGS the cacophony of “racist! racist! racist!” would have drowned Trump out by now and Whites would have been afraid to attend his rallies in numbers more than a few hundreds. That’s possible.
But there’s a lot more that’s been happening in this country than just BUGS.
It doesn’t really matter what I think about this. I’m trying to give you satisfaction of knowing that I am thinking about what you’re saying.
I responded to Jason in the first place mainly because I think feeling unmerited glory sets people up for later feeling disillusioned.
And I have to promise myself and the rest of you to stop now until there’s at least 10 more comments on this thread, because my presence here is getting ridiculous.
Bob and everyone else, should Trump be the AFP’s VP choice, and why or why not?
#26 by Secret Squirrel on 08/30/2015 - 8:41 pm
I think what is happening is the people are caring less about PC. There was a study done recently where a Republican asked Trump supporters what they thought of various PC violations he committed and the subjects either did not care, or they approved. This terrified the fellow doing the study.
So the anti-Whites keep calling Whites names at this point, but perhaps it is no longer working like it used to, because we exposed the con.
#27 by Secret Squirrel on 08/31/2015 - 3:26 pm
“It can’t help but be depressing to you, I would think, how little anyone on that board understands our Mantra work I’m sure, at least the several persons on the board that I’m somewhat familiar with.”
This video might help the AFP if you can get them to watch it. John Angelo explains “memetics”. He takes a scattergun approach and fights many things other than White Genocide so I hesitate to post it, however he explains what we are doing so anyone can understand it. Try it on the AFP and see if you get an Aha! moment from them.
The memetic war: get involved NOW!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1APlVL4ZdM
#28 by Henry Davenport on 08/30/2015 - 3:17 pm
I’ll add that my own opinion is that the AFP board’s wanting to draft Trump for VP (whatever their reasons, and thank goodness I can still laugh about that!) could offer wonderful opportunities for us (unless the board is jumping up and down like happy SF’ers (not all of whom by any means support Trump, incidentally) and planning to make their entire campaign be about supporting Trump, instead of just using him to make the campaign even more strongly about Mantra).
Please tell me that that last thought isn’t the case.
If they imagine that their support of Trump will help him win, they’re in dreamland anyway. Even in my own hermit-like existence, I’m not that much out of touch with where the heads of the White masses are at.
Of course the board may be looking at the long term, but through their lens, which may not see Mantra much at all, but instead may see their own organization presently maneuvering to one day finally be able to win at the polls.
I’m all laughed out for today.
Eventually we might hope for victory at the polls, even small local victories sooner than eventually, but making “anti-White” and “White Genocide” a part of everyday speech as quickly as possible is what’s needed right now.
Why that takes more than 10 to 30 seconds of thought by any intelligent person is forever a mystery to me.
Of course today few people are willing to spend even 10 to 30 seconds of real thought on anything that’s different from what they already know, and that’s the truth.
#29 by Henry Davenport on 08/30/2015 - 8:01 pm
I’m going to allow myself one final comment on this thread, which hopefully all of you will tolerate as my attempt to help me never ever do this to myself (how many hundreds of days have I lost this way, and how many pounds have I put on inside and outside my arteries from sitting in this chair all day) and to the rest of you (and the very same thing at SF yesterday or day before) ever again (I have done it over and over and over, for years now), for my own sake and for the sake of what Mantra work I can do if I make myself more time by stopping doing this.
I’m putting this note where I’ll see it several times every day:
Except for Stalwart-related work, NEVER POST AT BUGS, SF, OR ANY OTHER PRO-WHITE SITE EVER AGAIN! (8/30/)
Here’s the only two comments I should have put on that [this] bugs thread:
1. “Bob, if there’s any problem with the Trump meme-messages at the White House, or with others that will refer to yourself, please let me know. There’s always a thread started here at the end of each month that has links to them…you may want to keep an eye on them.”
2. “Might it produce opportunities to leverage Mantra if Trump were drafted as VP by AFP?”
I’ve proven over and over for years now that I cannot manage myself if I allow myself to post at all. The evidence is about as incontrovertible as any evidence could be. I’m an addict who can’t handle “just a little.”
Thanks for your understanding, and (hopefully) your tolerance for what I did on this thread, and know that anything worthwhile that I might otherwise bury in text here in the future will be more than made up for by my increased health and the ability that that and the extra time will hopefully give me to do more Mantra work.
My feeling of fellowship with Bob and with all of you my fellow BUGSers is very high.
HD
Please ignore this and move on!
#30 by Rose on 08/31/2015 - 12:53 am
I’m going through the backlog and reading old posts by Bob.
Bob’s telling people to stay on message and the SF crowd is jumping up and down about Ron Paul.
This is the same situation with Trump now.
#31 by Jason on 08/31/2015 - 5:17 am
Yes exactly right. The SF crowd is not interested in doing years of lonely work to get something started.
Heck, I enjoy Trump sticking it to the Establishment too. But he is a “leader” in the sense Huey Long defined it: someone who figures out which way the crowd is going and jumps in front of them.
The people who hold real power are those that nudge the crowd in that direction in the first place.