My calling Trump a fake president that quick was a mistake. I am sure a lot of you felt that way, but, as HD put it, I so often turnout to be right that he didn’t want to call me on it.
This will surprise you. Even after my accusation, there was no sign that Mr. Trump had lost the will to live. He has scribble no notes hinting at suicide or gone into the week-long drinking bouts one might expect.
I think he’s going to make it.
Election after election, decade after decade, we elected people who actually seemed as if they had principles. I gave a major part of my life to getting Reagan’s policy of the method by which the Red Empire could be destroyed.
But the same night he got the nomination, Reagan was agreeing on a program with the spokes(man?) of Republican moderates, George Bush, to return the Party to its rightful owners in eight years.
As always, conservatives have not one single person who was capable of dealing with taking and holding long-term power.
Reagan and Bush were in the same Party, so that in a normal situation there would be a huge overlap between their appointees.
But when Bush took over in 1989, he went after every single Reaganite in his Administration. Bush Republicans in each office would hold little celebrations when the last Reaganite was removed!
This drooling conservative obedience went on for over half a century. No other former Republican appointee even MENTIONS it!
So you can see why I might be trifle touchy on the point.
I do think that if we are going to be touchy, this the point on which we SHOULD be touchy.
On the building of the wall at our hostile Mexican border, the all-out business approach Trump preaches would have a staff that would routinely have first plans for building that bridge on his desk long before he took office.
I know that when I as senior staffer. we knew which issues had dominated the election and we had the file complete and ready for his review when the session started.
The Trump who was asked about the bridge in the article that set me off sounded like a helpless Republican conservative: “Bridge, what bridge,” “Materials, you mean its gottta be made out of something.”
That Trump who fumbled those questions was the very model of the kind of person on his reality show at whom Trump would shout “You’re FIRED!”
So I hope, I hope to the depths of my being, that I overreacted.
#1 by Denounce Genocidists on 04/08/2017 - 6:04 pm
Well that is good to know.
#2 by Jason on 04/08/2017 - 9:38 pm
Ann Coulter has been freaking out over Trump recently (specifically immigration), so you aren’t the only one, Bob.
I think he has good instincts but the pressure to settle in with the Old Crowd is enormous.
#3 by Secret Squirrel on 04/09/2017 - 2:10 am
The Hillary reversal made me uneasy. His silence when Whites are attacked, yet noise when another group is attacked, was the last straw.
And isn’t it funny how immigration enforcement and building walls is so damned difficult, yet starting trillion dollar wars is no problem.
It doesn’t matter who gets elected, the Juggernaut rolls onwards.
#4 by M Stevens on 04/09/2017 - 2:05 pm
What I see, or perhaps I imagine myself seeing, is that Trump throws out bait.
-Like asking the question, DEFUND BERKELEY?
-Like, using the phrase “so-called judges” — which de-legitimizes judges.
No one bites, instead the typical loser pro-whites are all interested in Syria or health care. That is, the Latest News. Just like Stormfront was discussing Iraq nonstop 10 + years ago they’re all discussing Syria now.
It’s not the Jews fault that they always lose.
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Maybe this will be uplifting. Trump declared his candidacy for re-election on his inauguration day (no one else has done that). That means that every university Mommy Professor who said anything negative about him from January 21st has violated the tax code.
When would I go after universities? In the summer. With all eyes on Syria the field is WIDE OPEN. Let’s get to it!
Bob, shoot me down if I’m wrong here.
#5 by Jason on 04/09/2017 - 9:04 pm
I think you are right, Trump throws out bait, but no one on the Pro-White side even notices it.
Trump has populist instincts, but that means WE have to make noise to push him in the right direction.
#6 by Henry Davenport on 04/09/2017 - 3:38 pm
Our job is to use Trump (or not use him), and to keep our thoughts about that separate from our hopes, fears, and other feelings about him.
We’ve used him very well so far, and now it’s getting a little trickier. But let’s not get lost in the swamp of our feelings about him.
I suspect that the mass of those who voted for him are not very distressed by him yet (but I don’t feel I have a good reading of that…do others here feel they do?), and it’s considerations like that that will determine if and how we continue to frequently attach our messages to him.
What’s the attitude now of those on twitter who supported him…that at least should be easy to get a sense of by those of you who are on twitter a lot.
#7 by time for freedom on 04/09/2017 - 7:39 pm
Very good points Henry D. White people want the problems in their country fixed and that’s it. Now, if Trump reneges on this White people in America are going to do a 180 degree turn on him. This isn’t 1980. Trump no sooner gets into power and then starts throwing missiles into the Middle East, and almost no attention to his own country’s real anti-white problems. White people didn’t vote Trump into power to get a few jobs…They voted him in to have him deal with the racial problems that the anti-whites have caused in America. He’s no longer even addressing these problems.
I think they are trying to get as much war going on as possible before the real Americans, the White Americans totally turn on them all, and I think this is coming quicker than everybody thinks.
So, this is how we can USE Trump:
“You were voted into power Mr. Trump to deal with #WhiteGenocide in America, NOT throw missiles into the MIddle East.”
This is what I have now put out on Twitter.
#8 by Jason on 04/09/2017 - 9:11 pm
Excellent points – we are here to USE Trump for the pro-White agenda.
I’d say the Twitter hardcore pro-Whites are disappointed in Trump because of Syria. But they are tentative about immigration and the wall – waiting to see what he does.
The average Trump supporter still seems happy enough. I don’t want them to think America is “back” because of some overseas adventure. We need all that energy focused on exposing anti-White genocidal policies.
#9 by Secret Squirrel on 04/10/2017 - 4:55 am
Henry Davenport on 04/09/2017 – 3:38 pm
“I suspect that the mass of those who voted for him are not very distressed by him yet (but I don’t feel I have a good reading of that…do others here feel they do?), and it’s considerations like that that will determine if and how we continue to frequently attach our messages to him.
What’s the attitude now of those on twitter who supported him…that at least should be easy to get a sense of by those of you who are on twitter a lot.”
From what I’ve seen, the Alt-Right have finally figured out they’ve been used and dumped. He won’t get their fanatical support ever again.
I think you are right, the non racialist normies who cheer when America heads off to another war are with him as much as ever.
#10 by Laura on 04/10/2017 - 10:26 am
I tend to disagree with Bob’s article and HD.
In my opinion, Bob, you haven’t overreacted.
Calling Trump a fake president is exactly the meme/tact we need to take in order to get attention to the issues we want him to be addressing. Calling him a fake president discredits him.
Bob, you said to me the other day, when I asked about why he just doesn’t say “if I want to talk to Russia, I’m going to talk to Russia” but you said he won’t cause he is to busy trying to be LIKED.
Trump is not interested in POWER he is interested in popularity. That is a fake president to me.
How is anything Trump is doing helping our cause?
Bob, like you said, 4 years from now he will still be talking about what materials to build the wall in. Mind you a wall is a waste of tax payers money, and as Bob’s platforms states, bring the troops home and place them on the border.
Showing any approval in Trump is bad idea, he is not on our side and if anything has hurt our cause because people saw him as the “great white hope”. He is NOT.
I think the more effective use of Trump is to point out that he IS a fake president and we are “Pro-whites Against Trump”
Articles from the Alt-right are already coming out saying they are cutting ties with Trump. Bob, you were well ahead of that ball, calling him a Fake President from the beginning was spot on.
#11 by M Stevens on 04/10/2017 - 1:08 pm
It seems like the “alt-right”, with some exceptions, are freaking out.
Let’s remember that these people often are weirdos and rejects and in addition to that they’re incompetent.
Take one example, the @vdare twitter account. Trump has at multiple times used the phrase “So-called judges”. Great stuff.
At @vdare / vdare.com they are using something else, “kritarchy”. They are using something that needs to be looked up in a dictionary instead of using the phrase Trump uses. This they call meme-ing? It’s stupid beyond belief — that’s the “alt-right” in a nutshell.
That the alt-right are freaking is not a bad sign to me. There is zero competence or judgement there.
The vast majority of Trumps supporters are not ready for the “Trump is a fake president” message. That’s my hunch.
#12 by Henry Davenport on 04/11/2017 - 8:56 pm
Laura, are you arguing whether to SUPPORT Trump, rather than how to USE him?
What does ‘fake president’ have to do with spreading the White Genocide meme(s)?
Has Bob’s and our own interest in national politics pushed us off-task into imagining we’re Trump’s advisers (“the issues we want him to be addressing”)?
I agree with M. Stevens, “The vast majority of Trump’s supporters are not ready for the ‘Trump is a fake president’ message…’Trump is a fake president’ discredits – but it doesn’t discredit him, it discredits the messenger.”
#13 by Secret Squirrel on 04/10/2017 - 6:55 pm
LOL
#14 by Laura on 04/10/2017 - 9:54 pm
A quick Google search lead me to loads of articles on “Trump fake president”.
CNN – WSJ editorial: Most Americans may conclude Trump ‘fake president’
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/22/politics/donald-trump-wsj-trust/index.html
Raw Story – Wall Street Journal blisters Trump as a ‘fake president’ for clinging to fake wiretap story
https://www.google.com/amp/www.rawstory.com/2017/03/wall-street-journal-blisters-trump-as-a-fake-president-for-clinging-to-fake-wiretap-story/amp/
#15 by M Stevens on 04/11/2017 - 1:37 am
Right.
Trump is a fake president because he doesn’t subscribe to various Liberal Truths is what searching for Trump + fake president renders.
A lot of people really, really like him. He’s similar to Reagan in that sense. What that means is that the “Trump is a fake president” discredits – but it doesn’t discredit him, it discredits the messenger. The sub-message gets lost.
#16 by Secret Squirrel on 04/11/2017 - 2:18 am
“A REAL president would call for the immediate defunding of any college that allows anti-white campus thugs to shut down free speech,” states 2020 Stop White Genocide presidential candidate Bob Whitaker.
Bob stated that as real president he would take these measures and many others:
1. Insist on a free and open discussion of the crime of white genocide without threats of harassment, job loss or imprisonment for the discussants.
2. Fight to restore to their former positions persons like this young lady who was fired by the Attorney General of West Virginia for publicly opposing white genocide.
3. Prosecute churches, charities, etc. that violate their tax status by engaging in political action to carry out White Genocide.
When asked if he supports actions by President Trump that may at least slow White Genocide, Whitaker replied,
“We have a fake president because we haven’t woken up Whites to their genocide so that they demand a real president.”
#17 by Secret Squirrel on 04/11/2017 - 2:22 am
Or how about this.
Instead of all that BS about building walls that will be completed at some indeterminate point in the future… he brings the troops home right now and puts them on the border.
A Real President would defend his country from invasion. A Fake President spends his time defending other countries’ borders.
#18 by Laura on 04/11/2017 - 5:57 pm
I think a vast majority of Trump supporters are figuring out, as Secret Squirrel said, “they’ve been used and dumped”.
I read a post by Ken aka LL on facebook today “Years ago i posted about how the elite might install a president that “parrots” some of our views (this sounds like what you called “throws out bait”, M Stevens), in order to pacify a segment of the population that are starting to wake up, while at the same time the elite push their same agenda behind the scenes. I’d prefer to not believe it’s Trump, verdict is still out”
It seems to me what Ken is saying could be spot on. This also goes in line with Bob’s meme of “fake president”.
Yes, the left is using that meme at the moment, but with the swarm in action we could hijack it and point out our other memes and the reasons why he is a fake president. people are going to want to see other viable alternatives, real political strategies and maybe that is where Bob’s 2020 campaign could come in?
Trump is a Fake President.
Trump is not a pro-white president.
#19 by Henry Davenport on 04/11/2017 - 9:23 pm
I think a vast majority of Trump supporters are figuring out, as Secret Squirrel said, “they’ve been used and dumped”.
Laura, if you read closely, I think SS actually said the opposite of that, since the normies are much more numerous than the alt-right:
From what I’ve seen, the Alt-Right have finally figured out they’ve been used and dumped. He won’t get their fanatical support ever again.
I think you are right, the non racialist normies who cheer when America heads off to another war are with him as much as ever.
Ken, whose talents I’m almost in awe of, like yourself and Bob focuses on Trump as someone to be supported or not supported, instead of how and whether we USE him.
Okay, I do suddenly realize (and I feel dumb, but I’m used to that) that if Trump’s a phony and will soon be exposed as that, then possibly that affects how we use him NOW.
Well I don’t think we get future points for our memes by being able to say later, “We told you so.” I don’t think that’s how mass propaganda to Whites works. Yesterday is ancient history for our audience.
“Yes, the left is using that meme at the moment, but with the swarm in action we could hijack it and point out our other memes and the reasons why he is a fake president. people are going to want to see other viable alternatives, real political strategies and maybe that is where Bob’s 2020 campaign could come in?”
Our understanding that the masses need to hear the same simple thing over and over and over is now replaced by a belief that the masses are political analysts?
But like with Bob, I’ve sometimes disagreed with you at first but later come to see that I missed some subtle right-on-the-mark point of view that underlies what you said that I didn’t grasp at first, so my mind remains open! 🙂
“Trump is a Fake President.
Trump is not a pro-white president.”
I do think that that combination could often be useful. And maybe on twitter “fake president” could work more generally also.
But for the broad audience we hope to reach in other venues, I think it’s a mistake this soon.
#20 by Secret Squirrel on 04/12/2017 - 12:01 am
“Ken, whose talents I’m almost in awe of, like yourself and Bob focuses on Trump as someone to be supported or not supported, instead of how and whether we USE him.”
When you’re right, you’re right. How are we going to USE this guy is what we should be thinking about. Whether we like him or not is not relevant.
#21 by M Stevens on 04/12/2017 - 1:34 am
The elite, so called, do not actually exist.
I also do not agree with the term “waking up”. The problem is that people are scared and intimidated — not that they’re not awake. Everyone in Eastern Europe 30 years ago was awake in the sense that they know that the system was awful.
The South Africans voted for black rule, not because they weren’t awake, but because they were beaten down and intimidated.
There was a story some months ago about a father who strongly disapproved of his daughter dating a black guy, so he cut her off. AND insisted that he’s absolutely not “racist”. Is he ‘awake’?
Trump is still Telfon. Maybe a year or two years on, something like fake president will stick. Right now though, people just assume that you’re a NeverTrumper or a “liberal”. This is what I’ve seen on twitter.
#22 by Secret Squirrel on 04/11/2017 - 4:45 am
Debate: Military Intervention In Syria | Stefan Molyneux and Bill Mitchell
https://youtu.be/wrVvTdJLB4g
I post this video, because Syria is the cause of the Alt-Right breakup.
I think both Trump and Coulter have retweeted this Mitchell guy. If he’s an example of the thinking on the other side, heaven help the Trump administration, because they have some real dumbbells formulating policy.
#23 by M Stevens on 04/11/2017 - 12:32 pm
I can provide much better thinking than Mitchell can in support of this Syria thing, but that is beside the point.
To get all caught up on Syria is a big mistake. Exactly the same mistake Stromfront did during the Iraq war. The “alt-right” is making the same stupid mistake.
They’ve also engaged in wishful thinking — they’re like children who Take Their Toys and Go Home. That Trump was going to do something regarding the Middle East was clear to me from the very beginning in 2015.
So, with all eyes on Syria — field wide open — what message to push? Going after campuses should be one.
#24 by Secret Squirrel on 04/11/2017 - 2:08 pm
I agree. Alt-Right and WN just heard what they wanted to hear and didn’t listen to what Trump said. He said he was going to take oil and give a million dollars to veterans. That means mug desert countries and take their stuff.
I don’t agree that the Alt-Right took their toys and went home. They just aren’t going to support Zionist wars. The people that joined them are sick of that kind of thing. But they refused to hear what Trump said. They listened selectively. All of WN was like that.
“Going after campuses should be one.”
I agree on campuses. Bob wants to walk back the Fake President meme for some reason. There must be a reason he wants to do that, so I am willing to listen.
#25 by M Stevens on 04/11/2017 - 2:41 pm
Quite a few of them are literally taking their toys and going home as we speak. Probably correlates with being a Jewoholic.
For a lot of people, many, many millions, Trump is Teflon. Just like Reagan was. Calling Trump a fake president turns them off and they immediately think you’re a Hillary supporter or a Never Trumper. I’ve noticed that online. It doesn’t work.
How to get the attention of Trump staff, senior or not? I think Steven Miller would be receptive considering his history on fighting on campus.
Like Bob did in the 70s, organize marches and demonstrations? It’s a tall order.
#26 by Secret Squirrel on 04/11/2017 - 3:17 pm
M Stevens on 04/11/2017 – 2:41 pm
“Quite a few of them are literally taking their toys and going home as we speak. Probably correlates with being a Jewoholic.”
I tried to get them to support Bob but failed. Americans go gah gah for their superstar celeb presidents.
“Like Bob did in the 70s, organize marches and demonstrations? It’s a tall order.”
Coulter will be speaking at Berkeley soon. That will be huge.
#27 by M Stevens on 04/11/2017 - 3:33 pm
Agreed. #screamersthugsthoughtpolice needs to be trending.
#28 by Henry Davenport on 04/11/2017 - 7:58 pm
“How to get the attention of Trump staff, senior or not?”
For what purpose do we want to get their attention?
That’s a sincere question, but I ask it partly because I think Trump has muddled our minds about our purpose.
(I find your comments helpful and interesting btw)
#29 by M Stevens on 04/12/2017 - 1:41 am
To get moving on clamping down on non-profit organizations that are violating the tax code. Summer would be perfect for that.
I say staff, senior or not, because of Bob’s repeated articles about the importance of staff in such a high-level office as the presidency. Or why not certain Congressmen too?
#30 by Jason on 04/12/2017 - 1:50 am
Just to be clear, in my opinion, it’s not a matter of literally getting their attention one-on-one. No one in the Trump administration will ever take a call from BUGS.
But if they see a populist concern about campus PC Thugs, and see online activists pushing a consistent message, they might respond to that.
#31 by M Stevens on 04/12/2017 - 4:00 am
Right. Exactly.
Let’s take Coulter as an example. Lately she’s been repeating retarded “alt-right” talking points, in so many words saying he’s a fake president.
She’s going to speak on Berkeley soon, this is a great opportunity to spread the message about #screamers and #antiwhitethugs.
The problem though, is that her signaling against Trump lately gets her LESS sympathy. She had the opportunity here as a very public and vocal Trump supporter to stand up to campus bullies. That is something that would get attention. Now though, she’s been repeating retarded talking points. This doesn’t help her or anyone.
And this gets to my point. Use trump BY supporting him. Not by signalling against him. At this point in time signalling against Trump is about as easy as trying to vindicate Hitler, something that the retards on the alt-right have been trying for a long time.
#32 by Henry Davenport on 04/11/2017 - 6:05 pm
TFF wrote for twitter:
“You were voted into power Mr. Trump to deal with #WhiteGenocide in America, NOT throw missiles into the MIddle East.”
I think that’s PERFECT for how to use Trump right now!
#33 by Jason on 04/11/2017 - 9:01 pm
I like that – it’s a temporary one, of course, because the news will change. And there is a danger in chasing the News.
But I like asking why isn’t our military used to deal with Illegals instead of overseas civil wars.
#34 by time for freedom on 04/11/2017 - 7:40 pm
#antiwhiteThugs
#antiwhiteScreamers
#35 by time for freedom on 04/11/2017 - 8:30 pm
President Trump, Isn’t it funny how #antiAmericanThugs always seem to be #antiwhite?
President Trump, Isn’t it funny how #antiAmericanScreamers always seem to be #antiwhite?
President Trump, Isn’t it funny how #antiAmericanScreamers always seem to be in favor of #WhiteGenocide?
President Trump, Isn’t it funny how #antiAmericanThugs always seem to be in favor of #WhiteGenocide?
#36 by time for freedom on 04/11/2017 - 8:42 pm
I hope my previous post isn’t an anfair use of Bob’s original two memes: Anti-White Screamers and Anti-White Thugs, But these goddamned antiwhites are ALWAYS against America as it was first constituted, and they are definitely ALWAYS in favor or White Genocide. At the very least they are #WhiteGenocideDeniers.
#antiAmericanThugs and #antiAmericanScreamers to me are good memes AS LONG AS THEY ARE PAIRED WITH #antiwhite and #WhiteGenocide in some way.
I’m trying to figure out how to pair all this with #MAGA
#37 by Laura on 04/12/2017 - 12:38 pm
With people starting to see Trump as a fake president, ineffective and a cuckservative like the rest, there may be a way to play it/USE it to try and recruit disillusioned former Trump supporters. Show them a viable alternative of a REAL president. With this momentum happening, pointing out Trump as a fake president and pushing our policies of a REAL president might gain traction.
This tactic could be an alternative to “encouraging” Trump to take on these issues.
Trump is a Fake President
A REAL president would – Call for the immediate defunding of any college that allows anti-white campus thugs to shut down free speech
A REAL president would – Insist on a free and open discussion of the crime of white genocide without threats of harassment, job loss or imprisonment for the discussants.
A REAL president would – Fight to restore to their former positions persons like the young lady who was fired by the Attorney General of West Virginia for publicly opposing white genocide.
A REAL president would – Prosecute churches, charities, etc. that violate their tax status by engaging in political action to carry out White Genocide.
#38 by M Stevens on 04/12/2017 - 1:06 pm
Good post. It gets to what the discussion should to be about, I think.
The only people I see seeing Trump as a ‘fake president’ is the “alt-right”. And you follow a lot of them on Twitter, right? These are by and large not competent people. Like Tom Sunic and Kevin McDonald. In the phone conference you recorded about a year ago Bob verbally executed all of them — easily. It cannot be emphasized enough the that alt-right is not a good barometer for anything. They can’t analyze anything and they’re prone to be depressed at instant notice. A typical “conservative” pathology.
The Wall is starting right now (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-san-diego-border-wall-20170410-story.html, http://www.vdare.com/articles/border-militia-chief-says-illegals-self-deporting-national-guard-on-standby-for-wall-construction) , Jeff Sessions gave a relatively radical speech about the border, Trump is asserting American dominance world-wide.
I get that this sounds like a ‘defence’ of Trump, but that’s not my point. My point is that going against Trump at this time has no appeal other than to the alt-right, as seen on Tim Murdoch’s twitter feed. It looks like he’s falling in the the followership trap Bob has talked about many times.
A REAL President would — yes. So will he? We do not know. That’s why my opinion is: use Trump by supporting him. I think that this is a lesson Ann Coulter might learn when she’s going to speak at Berkeley soon.
#39 by Henry Davenport on 04/12/2017 - 3:09 pm
M Stevens writes:
“How to get the attention of Trump staff, senior or not?”
Henry D asks:
“For what purpose do we want to get their attention?”
M Stevens answers:
“To get moving on clamping down on non-profit organizations that are violating the tax code.”
Jason replies:
“Just to be clear, in my opinion, it’s not a matter of literally getting their attention one-on-one. No one in the Trump administration will ever take a call from BUGS.
“But if they see a populist concern about campus PC Thugs, and see online activists pushing a consistent message, they might respond to that.”
M Stevens replies:
“Right. Exactly.”
Sounds good to me.
But let’s be conscious that we are adding something very new to the role we’ve played up to now.
In addition to continuing to spread the White Genocide message and memes anywhere we can to drive them into White minds and into public discourse, we are now also consciously attempting to influence presidential policy!
And Jason’s comment on how we should do that gives the goal some realism.
The 4 issues Laura lists just above at 04/12/2017 – 12:38 pm are ones that we can hammer (whether or not we decide to put them in a “fake/real president” context), always putting them in a White Genocide context and using the White Genocide memes!
Hammering those issues, which are concrete to our audience and are directly connected to White Genocide, will give even more force to the WG memes (which we often deliver unattached to issues that are concrete to our audience) that we use to hammer them with, IMO!
We can also hammer “build the wall” as Bob requested, but for those here who will decide to use the “fake president” approach I suggest omitting the wall issue, since I agree with M Stevens that Trump seems to be moving on that and on border control very strongly, if one takes into account Trump’s shelter-skelter ways.
I always try to follow Bob, since I know he’s a lot brighter and a lot more experienced than I am (if not for Bob I’d likely still be posting at Amren and trying to sneak Joos into my comments! 🙂 ), so against all my feelings and thoughts I tried to follow him with the “fake president” bit. But now that he’s reversed on that, I will much more happily follow him now in not taking that tack myself.
#40 by M Stevens on 04/13/2017 - 12:00 am
Just one more point on this.
This whole Syria affair has been a gigantic fiasco for 90% of the “alt-right”, and in that I include Jared Taylor and what I’ve seen from AFP people like Kevin McDonald on twitter. They’re discrediting themselves.
I’d say this is a good thing. Don’t ever go where they are going. Being a person with common sense is, it turns out, the way to go.