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08/11/2011 at 1:06 pm #8582LarryParticipant
If you name yourself after a rabbit, it might give the game away. They already know we use rabbit names.
08/11/2011 at 1:14 pm #8583AnonymousInactiveLarry,
That is a good point. Just use Pink in the name.
08/11/2011 at 5:49 pm #8585KingsnakeParticipantOh god, the people on sodahead were so dumb. I have never heard “we all bleed red” used in an actual debate until they came along, and said it dozens of times. I almost gnawed off my own hand.
Since they all seem to have the attention span of a gnat, I think if we’re to make any progress there we just need pick out one of the least stupid, and debate him while ignoring everyone else completely.
(I suppose if no one there is capable of going three posts without spamming unfunny demotivators, we could create a “sock puppet” to show them how an intelligent person would ACTUALLY debate the issue. Even controlled by one of us it would be the smartest anti-white there.)
08/11/2011 at 6:23 pm #8586-Gar5-Participant08/11/2011 at 7:00 pm #8587Secret SquirrelParticipant@Kingsnake
“we just need pick out one of the least stupid, and debate him while ignoring everyone else completely.”We fight them all.
All anti-whites are stupid and juvenile, the “educated”, just hide it better than others. The more stupidly they behave the better. Remember we are doing this to wake the white people that are watching, we are not trying to convert anti-whites. Anti-whites are guilty of genocide and deserve only our mockery and contempt.
“I have never heard “we all bleed red”
Whenever they use an anti-white slogan, cut and paste it into one of these. It makes them look stupid if you do it as much as they do.
“Because of history ” does not justify white genocide.
“For the economy” does not justify white genocide.
“Low birth rates”, does not justify white genocide.
“We all bleed red!” does not justify white genocide.
“We are all human!” does not justify white genocide.
“Race is just a social construct!” does not justify white genocide.
“We are all from Africa!” does not justify white genocide.
And so on and so forth
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Meanwhile, no one is flooding Africa with Non Africans and telling them… “we all bleed red” …we are going to create a blended humanity in ONLY Africa.
No one is flooding Japan with non-Japanese and telling them… “we all bleed red” …we are going to create a blended humanity in ONLY Japan.
Only White countries are doing this, only Anti-Whites like you are pushing it. Its GeNOcide.
08/11/2011 at 10:47 pm #8595KingsnakeParticipantYou’re right, I’m probably still expecting too much from them.
08/12/2011 at 12:02 am #8600Peter WhiterabbitParticipantKingsnake, most of sodahead isn’t thinking, they are just repeating trillions of dollars and decades of anti-white propaganda. Follow OldBlighty’s advise and try not to take them too seriously because they are demented.
Here is a video making fun of the “We All Bleed Red” quote. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e4tbclQfJ4
08/12/2011 at 7:28 pm #8624savethechildrenParticipant#8483
Gator61,
I wonder if the sock puppet was an accusation that all the pro-whites were really the same person. Sort of lobbying for the right to cut off free speech. I was deactivated by it would seem one of the posters, which seems strange.
Interesting on the capitalization of White.
They did seem very professional and organized.08/12/2011 at 8:58 pm #8626WolframParticipantthanks to meawhiterabbits for the DNA link above. I cut and pasted the following:
@HarvestBuffoon falls victim again to faulty reasoning.
Genome research reveals that “percent difference,” is not a relevant comparison. Small differences can matter tremendously. Mice and humans have many DNA sequences in common, and many mouse genes are very similar to human genes.
When they say there is only a small difference genetically between the races, there is only a small difference genetically between man and chimpanzees …so very small percentages translate into HUGE differences.08/13/2011 at 4:12 am #8656herrMajorParticipantTo give a Quick tip for all of us.
Remember when they try the old ”slander & character assasination” trick.
Turn it around on them and ATTACK!
A good example is when I’ve been using the mantra around town full of stupid (and i mean pot-smoking, do nothing, lazy) Hippies in California, they fire back with.
“Well that’s RACIST”
Remind them the old truth and the consistent message.
“No, Racist is the word you use to stigamatize when a White Man or Woman has an Opinion on race other than your own, WHICH IS TO SAY THAT THE WHITE RACE, MY RACE DOESN’T HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST”
You REMIND THEM, and anyone around them, listening to the conversation or on a message board that they are not the moral zelots that these sheeps-heads think they are, but are rather a bunch of self hating stupid-animals.
But this is still the basics, I wish I had a quality recorder when an Anti-White interjected in the conversation and told me that HITLER thought that the white race had a right to exist.
Immedatly, come back with reminding them, and anyone else listening that they are not trying to connect you, and the entire white race’s right to survive with HITLER.
But remind everyone in earshot that they are ADVOCATING GENOCIDE OF THE WHITE RACE.
DO NOT, I REPEAT, —DO NOT—RETREAT. A tactical retreat might be good on the front lines to draw the enemy lines in to thin them out for a greater advance, but this IS NOT WAR, IT IS A CONSISTENT MESSAGE.
SIMPLY ATTACK, hit them hard, and where it hurts as much as possible, and do not stop hitting them.
A great point is when they remind the crowd about the white race’s colonialism.
DO NOT DEFEND THAT, REMIND THEM THAT THEY ARE USING IT (and everyone in earshot/screenshot) THAT THEY ARE USING IT AS JUSTIFICATION FOR GENOCIDE, G-E-N-O-C-I-D-E.
Also, try using the “other race” tactic saying if blacks were the colonialists would they genocide blacks…est..est…
But then again, these idiots I see on a daily basis are beyond brain-dead.
I look forward in sharing debate tactics and lessons in the future.
08/13/2011 at 10:31 am #8664AnonymousInactiveWell I’ve been banned from sodahead. Shame too it was a very blackberry friendly site. Can anyone suggest other similar sites that are BB friendly?
08/13/2011 at 12:33 pm #8668AnonymousInactiveHas anyone ever hit freerepublic? It is a huge respectable conservitive/neo con site. I was kicked off a couple of years ago for saying mean things about AIPAC. I just signed up again and did a search for anti-racism is a code word for anti-White and got nothing. It is moderated so I’ll be tip toeing around til ib get off moderation. Hope a few of you will do the same
08/13/2011 at 1:11 pm #8669Peter WhiterabbitParticipant“@HarvestBuffoon falls victim again to faulty reasoning.
Genome research reveals that “percent difference,” is not a relevant comparison. Small differences can matter tremendously. Mice and humans have many DNA sequences in common, and many mouse genes are very similar to human genes.
When they say there is only a small difference genetically between the races, there is only a small difference genetically between man and chimpanzees …so very small percentages translate into HUGE differences.”
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Wolfram, that is a fine response if you want to argue about genetics, but it has nothing to do with the mantra. If you don’t get the mantra in a response, it is not worth much. If you added something like “Why do some scientists insist there is only one race and use it as an excuse to flood every white nation and ONLY white nations with non-whites and force them to ‘assimilate’ out of existence? Why do these scientists have such genocidal intentions?08/13/2011 at 1:46 pm #8670Peter WhiterabbitParticipant@ herrMajor, great post. I suggest a small but potentially important change. Your quote, “No, Racist is the word you use to stigamatize when a White Man or Woman has an Opinion on race other than your own”. This assumes that the “hippies” came up with their opinions on their own. Nothing could be further from the truth. Try using “opinions you were told to support” or something along those lines. It further humiliates them and puts them even more on the defensive.
08/13/2011 at 2:14 pm #8671Feu DenferMemberTwo excellent comments from Peter. The mantra is not about accusing anti whites for being wrong on facts. It’s about accusing them of having an inconsistent moral.
You don’t need to prove that race is a genetic reality, because they don’t care about genetics. What they care about is seeing themselves as supreme moral beings. So that is where we want to hit them.
If they say that there is no such things as a white race, one response could be: “Sure there is. Whites are the people you can accuse of being a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.” If that is not a reality, nothing is.
08/13/2011 at 4:59 pm #8680White&NormalParticipantI disagree Feu denfer. I don’t think the mantra is about accusing them of having an inconsistant morality, that would be called hypocracy. They aren’t hyprocrates, they are consistant 100% of the time. They pick the opinion that is bad for white people. They just aren’t afriad about lieing.
But I just thought of a question that I’m going to try out. Basically it’s too those anti-whites who are saying that “blacks have to move to white countries because of their standard of living.”
Anyways the question is “Why can’t blacks move to other black countries?”
Ofcourse there would be variations on it but in theory the only answer they would be able to answer it with is “because all black countries are pour.”
or they’ll try to avoid the question with a question of their own probably something mirroring it like “Why can’t blacks move to white countries?”
It’s sounds good in my head. I’m going to go try it out.
08/13/2011 at 5:24 pm #8685Peter WhiterabbitParticipantRoderick, the answer is in the mantra. “The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.” You can use this or a variation in any economic discussion.
I like to pull up GDP per nation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita and point out a non-white nation with a higher per capita than a white nation and ask them why anti-whites don’t insist on forced assimilation and immigration in the non-white nation. Always use the mantra.
08/13/2011 at 5:45 pm #8688Feu DenferMemberThey’re inconsistant in terms of having a double standard for different races. But I’m not sure lying is a fitting term. The thing about psycological programming is that a persons beliefs are developed unconsciously. Actually, most opinions in life are formed unconsciously, and then the reasoning comes later. I believe that for most off-white rabbits, it’s more about false assumptions and failing logics than outright lies. Hey, even we bugsters and Bob fail the basics from time to time.
08/13/2011 at 6:44 pm #8694AnonymousInactiveOne problem I’ve been running into is that anti-Whites (NativeSupport is a good example) pretend they don’t know that Governments routinely use geographic terms as a shorthand for race. For example, while Asian is also a geographic term, a White man born in Tokyo wouldn’t be “Asian” according the the Census Bureau.
It’s not really a problem per se, except that I don’t want to have to stop to address the point. Anyone have a quick way to deal with that, and get right back on the main message?
Another related problem is that they seem to be more cautious in what they say and have a new sort of veiled attack.
In the old days, they would just come out and say race isn’t real. Now they look at your phrasing and claim what you’re talking about isn’t a race. Then when you try to pin them with the question “are you saying there’s no such thing as race?” they respond with “I didn’t say that” and will go no farther.
Of course, my solution is to be aggressive and say something like “the fact that you won’t say there’s no such thing as race shows you recognize that race is real.” Then I can get right back on message.
08/13/2011 at 6:56 pm #8695AnonymousInactiveHere’s one that I get hit with from time to time:
“Economics, not some anti-White plot is the explanation for massive non-White immigration into White countries. It’s simply a natural movement of people following economic opportunity”
Now, of course, an East Asian comparison is apt here, but I’ve come up with another mantra-related response (I’ll come up with a shorter version after a few uses):
Really? Would you accept that explanation for attempts by Whites to develop resources in non-White countries in Africa and South America? Probably not. You see, when non-Whites come to White countries for economic reasons, anti-Whites come up with cute race-neutral terms to counter White objections to such immigration like “they’re just looking for opportunity” or “they’re just doing the jobs (White) Americans won’t do.” And you praise them for taking the initiative for doing it for their own benefit.
You anti-Whites would never tolerate such obfuscation regarding White development of resources in non-White countries for our own benefit. When a White man comes up with a process to extract a valuable natural resource and then PAYS a non-White government for the rights to access it in their country, you would never say that he was “just looking for opportunity” or “he’s just doing the job that native talent won’t do.”
No, you say he’s “greedy” an “exploiter” who is “raping the world” for his own selfish benefit, and “getting all the resources for White countries.” Basically, you call such activity “racist” and use it as an excuse to flood White countries with non-Whites, force integrate our populations with these non-Whites, and encourage intermarriage. You claim you support this because you’re anti-racism, but what you are is anti-White. Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White.
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