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  • 12/27/2011 at 7:34 pm #14819
    Henry Davenport
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    @ Genseric: Yes, Genseric, I’m aware that that’s an “exception,” and I’ve actually written about that fact elsewhere! (Trust you to think of it though! Lol!)

    “Anti-racist” (especially as we use it) doesn’t summon up in the audience’s mind all the feelings that “racist” does, because

    1. unlike “racist,” the term “anti-racist” refers to a group that haven’t been demonized (yet! :))

    2. “anti-racist” is a compound word whose form lessens the visual and auditory impact of the word “racist”

    3. “anti-racist” hasn’t had adequate use to become very charged,

    4. and principally because the ONLY time we ever use the term “anti-racist” is to make the statement that such people are anti-White!

    We NEVER call our enemies “anti-racists.”
    We ALWAYS call our enemies anti-Whites!
    THEY say they are anti-racists.
    WE say they are anti-White!

    If WE called them “anti-racists,” then yes, in time that term would become loaded with the baggage of the word “racist”!

    But we use “anti-racist” only in the SINGLE way that loads it as a synonym for anti-White!

    12/28/2011 at 5:05 am #14843
    Cleric_Preston
    Participant

    ref: ” But you can’t help who you fall in love with”
    I’ve had that a few times in this last week,my response

    Nobody DEMANDS that Japan,and ALL Asian countries ‘mix’ and ‘blend’ their countries out of existence because Yoko Ono married John Lennon
    Nobody DEMANDS Kenya,and ALL Black countries ‘mix’ and ‘blend’ out of existence because Barack Obama Snr married Stanley Ann Dunham
    ONLY in White countries are we expected to accept such SILLY excuses for GENOCIDE
    ‘Anti-racism’ is a codeword for Anti-White
    —-
    I’ve been swaping out the word ‘racist’ in favour of ‘the r-word’ in the context of ‘Nobody is flooding Kenya with non-blacks and calling Blacks the r-word when they object’
    Nobody has come back with ‘what’s the r-word’ so everybody knows what it means.It parodies the term ‘the n-word’ and equates the derogatory term of abuse directed at Black with it’s direct counterpart directed us normal White people

    12/28/2011 at 10:24 am #14847
    J Locke
    Participant

    I have had large chat rooms of people become receptive after hearing the mantra, but the chatters wanted proof that all White countries were facing immigration problems. Since I could not give proof, they didn’t fully become WN. My point is that while mantra speech is effective, people want to be sure there is a genocide happening. I asked how to prove the genocide pages ago because of this.
    The average person doesn’t have any awareness of other countries’ immigration problems, legal or illegal.

    12/28/2011 at 12:17 pm #14848
    -Gar5-
    Participant

    @ runner

    We do have a responce for that:

    “Around 1960, White countries opened their borders and let millions of non-Whites in.

    Then, the government and media told us all to “assimilate” or “mix together”.

    And now, Whites are expected to be minorities in most White countries by 2040 as predicted by the United Nations.

    If this was done to ONLY Asian countries, would you still need proof that some people are trying to permanently get rid of Asian people by blending them out of existence, AKA genocide? Would you need the newspapers or some commentator to tell you this?”

    12/28/2011 at 12:18 pm #14849
    Daniel Genseric
    Participant

    @Runner

    “I asked how to prove the genocide pages ago because of this.”
    Show them THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7NUXqIRlo

    Or simply say this:

    “No one is flooding Africa with millions of non-Africans, forcing assimilation, encouraging and promoting intermarriage and saying ‘SHOW ME THE PROOF of this genocide I keep hearing about. Show me the MONEY!

    No one is flooding China with millions of non-Chinese forcing assimilation, encouraging and promoting intermarriage and saying ‘SHOW ME THE PROOF of this genocide I keep hearing about. Show me the MONEY!

    No one is flooding Mexico with millions of non-Mexicans forcing assimilation, encouraging and promoting intermarriage and saying ‘SHOW ME THE PROOF of this genocide I keep hearing about. Show me the MONEY!

    They ONLY Say this about White countries. They ONLY DEMAND this of White countries. They ONLY want to blend White children out of existence. They ONLY demand genocide of our children. They ONLY want to see “proof” of genocide in White countries. They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

    Anti-racist IS a code-Word for anti-White.”

    12/28/2011 at 12:29 pm #14850
    Daniel Genseric
    Participant

    @HD

    I use the word ‘racist’ all the time. Such as “You’re just calling me a RACIST because I am White. Anti-racist is a code-Word for anti-White.”

    In my view, the linkage (thought process) is broken when you throw in some made-up compound word. But, if you say it works I will try it.

    12/28/2011 at 6:54 pm #14858
    J Locke
    Participant

    Thank you, those retorts are decent. Could we possibly find a link to the United Nations predicting that Whites are expected to be minorities in most White countries by 2040?

    12/28/2011 at 8:04 pm #14859
    -Gar5-
    Participant

    No idea where to get a hold of that link; I’d like it as well if any Bugster has it.

    I think alternatively, we could say:

    “And now, our government and media is talking about a “brown future”.

    That might actually be more effective.

    12/28/2011 at 8:06 pm #14860
    Secret Squirrel
    Participant

    @runner
    I would be surprised if the UN did have such stats, because they are controlled by anti-Whites. What you can do is compile the links in a few minutes, from reputable publications, or tell interested people to check for themselves.

    Google:
    White Minority USA
    White Minority Canada
    White Minority UK
    White Minority Germany
    White Minority France
    White Minority Australia
    White Minority New Zealand
    etc for all White countries.
    For White countries that are not yet multicultural, tell them to Google immigration requests from the UN.

    Then tell them to Google Black/Asian minority for their countries.

    If you go down the stats road, you are giving the anti-Whites a chance to debate the validity of the stats. What they cannot argue with is the fact, they Demand all White countries turn Brown. If they deny it, ask them, “Which White countries, are allowed to remain White?”

    12/28/2011 at 8:10 pm #14861
    Secret Squirrel
    Participant

    @runner
    I would be surprised if the UN did collect such stats, because they are controlled by anti-Whites.

    What you can do is compile the links in a few minutes from reputable publications, or better, tell people to check for themselves.

    Google:
    White Minority USA
    White Minority Canada
    White Minority UK
    White Minority Germany
    White Minority France
    White Minority Australia
    White Minority New Zealand
    etc for all White countries – they will get tons of hits.

    For White countries that are not yet multicultural (Eastern Europe), Google immigration requests from the UN and multiculturalism.

    Then tell them to Google Black/Asian minority, for Black/Asian countries – they will get no hits.

    If you go down the stats road, you are giving the anti-Whites a chance to debate the validity of the stats. What they cannot argue with is the fact they Demand all White countries turn Brown.

    If they deny that they Demand all White countries turn Brown, ask them, “Which White countries, in your opinion are allowed to remain White?”

    12/28/2011 at 8:52 pm #14863
    Denounce Genocidists
    Participant

    @runner

    It`s naive to expect the UN which is complicit in white genocide to say outright “Whites will become a minority in every single white country due to mass non-white immigration and “assimilation”” which could then be quoted verbatim by people who oppose white genocide.

    The UN DOES produce weasel words such as “The global population growth is projected to occur in the developing countries”,”The fertility rate in developed countries is not projected to increase” ,”Migration from developing countries to developed countries is projected to continue”

    12/28/2011 at 8:55 pm #14864
    Denounce Genocidists
    Participant

    I`ve seen it mentioned that Pat Buchannon`s “The Death Of the West” uses UN statistics.

    12/29/2011 at 12:50 am #14868
    -scythian-
    Participant

    The word ‘racist’ is not used in the mantra, not in ‘annihilation by assimilation’, nor in ‘would a black line go unnoticed’. Is it just a coincidence or was that word purposefully omitted? Or maybe subconciously omitted, haha. naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews seems to me to be mocking the attack word ‘nazi’.

    12/29/2011 at 10:59 am #14873
    Peter Whiterabbit
    Participant

    I prefer to use racist rather than rword because rword ruins the flow of antiracist is just a code word for antiwhite. But I think rword is clever when used in the proper context.

    12/29/2011 at 2:27 pm #14876
    Peter Whiterabbit
    Participant

    @runner White and normal people have won every debate in the last 60 years but we lost EVERYTHING. If what you said happened, you did your job. You imposed our terminology and took away any moral authority they thought they had. The stats are out there but everyone knows stats can be changed to fit one’s purpose. Feel free to look for the sources and present them but give yourself a pat on the back for a job well done.

    12/30/2011 at 12:56 am #14913
    TheSeeker OfTruth
    Participant

    @thorson31
    I support freedom of all people to live where they want and marry whom they want. If you want to move to a ‘non-white’ country (whatever that means) and marry someone there, I support your freedom to do so, and I will criticise any policy anywhere in the world that denies you these freedoms

    @ByContentOfCharacter Yeah that’s all well and good in theory, but you are talking to people about Europe, Australia, U.S. of A., and Canada.The fact of the matter is that if a people are to survive they need a homeland. You seek to deny White children a homeland. As to a non-White country, that is any country that is not demanded to accept massive amounts of third world immigrants and then forced to intergrate and assimilate with said immigrants
    @thorson31
    There is no homeland for double-jointed people, yet double-jointed people are not complaining. There is no homeland for blood group B people, yet blood group B people are not complaining. There is no homeland for people who can roll their tongues, yet people who can roll their tongues are not complaining. And so on. All these people live perfectly well without a homeland from which others are excluded based on biology. I have no idea what you are complaining about
    @ByContentOfCharacter
    You equate a reconizable demograghic with blood type? Would you have said the same to jews at the end of WW2? Would you say the same to Tebetans? I doubt it.You only say such nonsense to me because I am speaking up for Whites. I bet you call yourself anti-racist. You and people like you make it easy for me to maintain that anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White!

    12/31/2011 at 10:04 am #15004
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I posted this essay on Stormfront about a 2 years ago. I think it is pretty good but then I’m biased.

    If you can make use of it please feel free edit it to suit your perposes. I think it may make a good sound track for a video that would show, movies stars smoking, Cigarette ads, GI’s smoking, movies stars race mixing, ads showing race mixing, and pressure put on young children to race mix.

    Smoking is a conscious decision made by those who have chosen to indulge. I just wonder how many smokers picked up their first pack of cigarettes because Hollywood movies and ad campaigns made it look cool. I never smoked or dated outside my race and I never would. But then I grew up in an era when, as the Reverend James David Manning says, only the trashiest white women dated black men. The relatively small amount of propaganda I was exposed to by today’s standards was easily mitigated by a racially conscious family.

    My father did smoke. He smoked until the late 1960’s when several friends and family members had died of lung cancer. I once asked when and why he when he started. His reply was in the army. He explained that cigarettes were supplied along with rations of food, but still that wasn’t enough to cause him to pick up the habit. He felt he was better off trading the cigarettes for other things. What finally pushed him over the edge was getting screwed out of all his breaks. He said that when ever some menial task needed to be done the sergeant would look over the soldiers in the area to find someone not doing anything. Those who smoked were doing something. They were smoking. As a 40 something in the late 60’s he would have known better, as an 18 year old kid, away from home for the first time, who had been exposed to the propaganda put out by the movies and the ads, that showed smoking as cool and glamorous, it didn’t take much for the army to push him over the edge and light up.

    Now let’s move into the 21st century. Smoking advertisements are virtually outlawed. You seldom see anyone light up in a movie. If they do, it is unlikely that they will be portrayed as glamorous or, even, the hero of the film. What is happing in the general population? The number of smokers is sharply declining. What propaganda are our young people being exposed to today? Seen any movies lately that make the black man the smart, sophisticated, handsome hero? Seen any ads that show beautiful sexy woman paired up with a black male who appears wealthy and successful? Check out the curriculum in the schools with regard to race?

    Now put those young people in a situation where they are surrounded by people of other races. For the past 18 years they have been shown how smart as sexy other races are. They have been told that it is wrong to judge people by the color of their skin. Now, as with the WWII soldiers and cigarettes, they have available to them sexy and exotic people of other races. Still like my father, many of them would simply choose to not to race mix, without a little push. It would not take much. My father was pushed into smoking to avoid crap jobs. In a PC driven military, is it possible that proving you to not be racist could lead to faster promotions? Or on the negative side, could refusing the advances of people of other races result you being labeled racist? It is a small push, but the media has been moving them to the edge of that precipice for the past 18 years, it doesn’t take much of a push.

    You can call them weak if you like, but they are our brothers and sisters. No doubt they are young and stupid. I know I did some powerful stupid things when I was 18. Lucky for me dating outside my race and having mixed race children wasn’t one of them. But then I wasn’t bombarded with the anti-white propaganda kids today have to live with.

    Now tell me again, how I can’t blame the media and the military for race mixing.

    01/02/2012 at 12:56 am #15078
    TheSeeker OfTruth
    Participant

    Hello Ma’am,
    First I would like to say that I appreciate you looking at things with an open mind.
    That said I would like to state that I live in the states particularly in Alabama, and I am pro-White. I know, I must be in the klan right! I get that a lot.
    You stated that you wouldn’t want to be associated with neo-nazis or klansmen. Well that is a perfect example of why the anti-Whites always scream Racist! Hater! klansmanthatwantstohangblacks! naziwhowantstokillsixmillionje­ws! at anyone that ever speaks up for Whites no matter how wellspoken or rational the argument is.
    I am sure that you have noticed that nearly every “anti-racist” campaign has targeted Whites even though logically all races can be racist. That is why people are starting to realize that anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White!
    The fact of the matter is that most pro-Whites are actually nonviolent, but those aren’t the ones that are shown. As we all know bad news sells and Whites are the ONLY group that people can openly disparage and mock without fear of consequences or repercussions.
    You see diversity and multiculturalism actually destroys what it seeks to promote. If we are all coffee colored obviously diversity in the true sense is destroyed. If we live in a society the seeks to ‘blend’ all cultures together then obviously multiculturalism has been destroyed.
    If that point is realized then it is not a far leap to see that the ONLY places that these policies are enforced is EVERY White country and ONLY White countries. All in the name of anti-racism. That is why we assert that anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White!
    Once again thank you for having an open mind.
    Sincerely,
    thorson31

    01/06/2012 at 6:32 pm #15383
    Mark Muses
    Participant

    GETTING ACCUSED OF SPAMMING


    @MarkMuses
    Stop spamming, Mark. Absolute last warning.
    UHeardMe1stTime 2 hours ago

    @UHeardMe1stTime I consider it spam then when anti-Whites post “racist”, “bigot”, “nazi”, “hater”, “white supremacist” at me for nothing but OPPOSING my own racial group’s genocide.

    You don’t seem to mind anti-White spam terms repeated ad nauseum, but when I use a terminology to counter it you call foul?

    And this “spam”, DESPITE my replying in context to each reply?

    If this is your double standard then you’ll indeed block me, because self-evidently, anti-racist is a CODEWORD for anti-White.
    MarkMuses 1 sec ago

    01/30/2012 at 5:13 pm #16659
    Henry Davenport
    Participant

    I’ll bet the challenge to “Everybody says..” in the Mantra is discussed elsewhere in these 36 pages, and I will check. But here it is again. Here’s an exchange Wolfram had on youtube:

    Everyone talks about this RACE problem and says that this RACE problem will be over when the third world pours into EVERY White country and ONLY into White countries. Everyone says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries to “assimilate,” that is, intermarry, with all those non-Whites. According to the UN, this is genocide. They claim they are anti-racist, but what they are is anti-White. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.
    wolfram54321
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    @wolfram54321 who is everyone? can you name one person of any importance who says this: ” the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries to “assimilate,” that is, intermarry, with all those non-Whites”?
    ninjascroll6789 18 hours ago
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    @ninjascroll6789 So, you’ve never heard such accusations before. Perhaps you could name people of political/educational/industri­al importance who’d say they’re AGAINST massive non-white immigration, intermarriage, diversity and multiculturalism into White countries and only White countries.
    How about you? Are you against the before mentioned anti-white destructive policies? Because if you aren’t you’re anti-white and support the ongoing genocidal destruction of White countries and people.

    wolfram54321 16 hours ago
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    @wolfram54321 no i haven’t so are you saying you cant name anyone who said these things?
    ninjascroll6789 16 hours ago
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    @ninjascroll6789 Oh, I get it. You have never heard anything about a race problem. Then you are either 1- not telling the truth, or 2- live on a different planet than Earth.
    wolfram54321 16 hours ago
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    @wolfram54321 can you tell me the names of anyone who said those things or not? because i haven’t heard people saying that. yeah i’ve heard of a race problem but not heard anyone saying those things that you claim EVERYONE is saying. just name one person of any importance who said that please
    ninjascroll6789 15 hours ago
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    @ninjascroll6789
    Noel Ignatiev
    Professor of American history at the Massachusetts College of Art
    Co-founder and co-editor of Race Traitor Magazine
    Marxist activist and critical race theorist
    United States of America
    wolfram54321 15 hours ago
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    @ninjascroll6789 Second request. Now answer my question:
    How about you? Are you against the before mentioned anti-white destructive policies? Because if you aren’t you’re anti-white and support the ongoing genocidal destruction of White countries and people.

    ————–
    @wolfram54321 okay i looked him up. still don’t agree with you because most people have never heard of that guy and you said “everyone”. i’ve never heard any one say those things and i doubt you could point to many people that most have heard of
    ninjascroll6789 15 hours ago
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    @ninjascroll6789 You’ve now proven yourself to be dishonest. Big Surprise. You wanted one name and now you’re backtracking. Why aren’t you willing to answer the simple questions I’ve asked you? Don’t make a fool of yourself, be honest and answer the questions. Third request.
    wolfram54321 15 hours ago
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    @wolfram54321 yes i would be against those policies if they are happening but i don’t believe they are
    ninjascroll6789 14 hours ago
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    @ninjascroll6789 Fourth request same question:
    Perhaps you could name people of political/educational/industri­al importance who’d say they’re AGAINST massive non-white immigration, intermarriage, diversity and multiculturalism into White countries and only White countries.

    wolfram54321 5 hours ago
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    Anti-whites always want examples of important people who argue for immigration, integration and intermarriage. This is such an absurd question. The real question, (as I asked ninjascroll and he was not able to answer) is: Which politician TODAY is pro-white? Or name an eminent college professor against 3rd world immigration and assimilation into every White country and only White countries?
    wolfram54321 4 hours ago
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    The genocide of White people through non-white immigration, integration, assimilation is upon us. The heinous policies that have replaced White children and created a brown diverse humanity in White countries is GENOCIDE.
    U.S. Demographers say that by the middle of the century, the social order in the U.S. will change significantly. And racial and ethnic minorities will become the majority of the U.S. population.

    wolfram54321 4 hours ago
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    I assume the above is the standard bugs response…I’ve seen it elsewhere….and I think wolfram did it very ably (I especially like the response I boldfaced).

    But there seems to me there’s a logical flaw that anti-Whites will exploit if they haven’t already. And I’ve noticed that a few people I’ve presented the mantra to seem to sense the flaw even if they can’t articulate it. I wasn’t aware of the standard response at the time and wasn’t able to test it on them, but I suspect it would leave them with a vague feeling of dissatisfaction as it does me.

    Here’s the flaw as I see it: We are answering the challenge, “Everybody does NOT say (massive immigration etc. etc.),” with the response, “Can you point to anyone of importance who publicly OPPOSES (massive immigration etc. etc.)?”

    Logically, that’s not an adequate response, since just because a person doesn’t say “not B” doesn’t mean he’s said “B.” I suspect we are leaving at least a feeling of unease with our response in observers of these exchanges.

    Here’s what I’ve experimentally posted to the same thread as a reply. I don’t like it in that it’s not Mantra, but don’t we sometimes have to respond to points in a way that presumably will satisfy the visceral logical sense of observers? I’m not completely clear on this tactical point.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z88bjQukaHM
    @ninjascroll6789
    Literally everyone does agree there’s a race problem.

    And “Everyone” (in the colloquial sense of “accepted opinion,” or on racial topics, “everyone who holds an opinion expressible publicly”) believes that “the race problem” is “White racism,” especially any desire of Whites to segregate themselves.

    The remedy to white segregation is to flood whites with non-whites and force assimilation, to which all agree so to not be “R word.”

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White!

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