Discussion thread: Pro Whites that disagree with our methods and want to argue

[Secret Squirrel]

I think we should develop a crank the handle system, that works on so called “intellectual” Pro Whites that want to argue and argue, because we will encounter so many in the future and we don’t have time to waste on them. Here are my suggestions for a list of actions that BUGSers should use:

1) Never argue, never tailgate these people’s arguments. We make our point over and over, like we do with the anti-Whites.

2) Direct them to our Post the Mantra links, so they can follow what we do.

3) Tell them we do not engage in mental masturbation at BUGS, by having long intellectual discussions that lead no where practical. We try things out in the field every day and only keep what works. If they cannot direct us to links that demonstrate an effective field technique they use every day, then they should be told to return when they do.

3) People, no matter how good they are at debate, are quickly forgotten, if they do not have a consistent message that works. I still remember what the first BUGSer I encountered, was saying, a year before I read the Mantra in full and sought out BUGS soon after. All he was saying, over and over was: Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans, White countries for everyone.

4) Responsibility is the Cult Killer. Point out Pro Whites that refuse to get on a consistent message that works, are the reason our race has no home. Anti-Whites have been on a consistent message that works for 50 years. Their consistent message is racist, naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews, white supremacist, etc! So make the point, if you are Pro White and refuse to get on a consistent message that works, you are responsible for what is happening – this is all your fault!

5) Collect a list of videos for them to Watch. Horus explains why a consistent message works. RamZPaul also did one explaining operant conditioning, not long after the tram video came out. Can’t find that link right now anyone have that?

6) Once we have compiled a list, we can sticky it at the top of our forums, so the argumentative Pro Whites can read it. Perhaps the existence of this list, will change their minds and save us a lot of effort.

[Secret Squirrel]

Ramzpaul explaining operant conditioning and why the Mantra works:

My Tram experience – Emma West and Somalia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB2ocldbb2Q

[TheSeeker OfTruth]

On another thread I asked, ‘What happened to the thread entitled “Mantra Points Used By non-Bugsters”?’ I just went back to see if it was answered and now the question seems to have been deleted as well as the thread in question. So once again, ‘What gives admin?’ Here is another video by RamZPaul where he uses a game to illustrate White genocide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uwUwiHnhjVc
And here is the original link that I started the thread with. The Stark Truth with RamZPaul where RamZPaul uses White genocide and anti-White repeatedly;
http://reasonradionetwork.com/20111202/the-stark-truth-ramzpaul-on-the-london-tram-incident

[Coniglio Bianco]

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[Peter Whiterabbit]

Seeker, did you go through every thread at http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/forum/bugs-swarm/ ?

[Daniel Genseric]

Coniglio,

Do you need a BUGS hug?

What board and who said anything about “not being good enough?” Pro-Whites who REFUSE to get on message are part of the problem, maybe not the enemy, but definitely part of the problem. Especially the self-proclaimed Intellectuals.

Being in the trenches battling anti-Whites does tend to wear a body down. BUGSters are not known for tip-toeing around the tulips. I wear size 12 combat boots and tip-toeing is out of the question for me.

[Daniel Genseric]

@OB

Like the strategy.

[Denounce Genocidists]

Coniglio,if you`re going to act like a troll and use history as some kind of basis to blame my countrymen for the global white genocide program,at least get your history right.

Churchill would never have declared war in the first place without “American” backing,we were only kept in the war with “American” supplies,and I think I`m right in saying that “American” supplies to the Russians were critical in maintaining their war effort.

As for your claims about BUGSers you have provided no proof so I will regard that as more trolling BS as well.

Thanks OB,this will come in very handy for dealing with the “advisors”.

[TheSeeker OfTruth]

@PeterWhiterabbit No I wasn’t aware of that option I was looking over in the titles to the right. Apologies all around.

[Peter Whiterabbit]

@Seeker, No worries. I couldn’t find it last week myself. In fact you reminded me to write a comment to Brian to ask him to make the Swarm Topics easier to find.

[Denounce Genocidists]

Before WW2 obsessive Coniglio starts up,yes I do know that Churchill was not the PM that officially declared war.

[The Old Man of the Mountain]

The English just want to fight with us.

They are on the verge of extinction, and will be the first population to leave the planet in recent times (unless the French win that race) but they would rather fight with us, than defend their homeland from the invader.

I guess fighting with us is safer?

[Henry Davenport]

Coniglio: Lol! This ain’t no Jonestown, this is gestation. Dealing with pro-White sites is a tough nut (have you tried it? It’s my method of choice for inducing an out of my body or at least an out of my mind experience).

My head is clearing about what I’m going to do at such sites. First of all, I am not going to write ANYthing to pro-Whites on our SF sub-forum that I can’t write in BUGSTER FORMAT. It’s going to be a challenge, like having to write everything in rhyme, but if I elect to actually try to “satisfy” any questions or points made by pro-Whites in regard to the Mantra, it’s going to be done by me in Mantra style or not at all!

Aside from that, I think Old Blighty’s guidelines above are excellent!

As to the courtesy issue, my view has shifted only slightly…I think Genseric’s most recent posts I’ve seen to MaxVictory on the SF subforum thread, “What is the Mantra?” strike an excellent tone…Genseric is being friendly and humorous as he presses and chides (!), and he is including a lot of bugstery stuff (I want to be much more exclusively bugstery than Genseric is being, but I think Genseric is doing a lot better right now than I could do right now!)

The posts of Valeman (is that talented dude one of us?) on that thread are in a category all their own. If I’m recalling accurately all his posts, anything that guy does is okay with me.

[meawhiterabbit]

Happy New Year to all Bugsters

Okay here’s the honest truth. Look at the amount of voices in the first where did you post the Mantra. Now look at the second. Something is not working here. My opinion? Bob is wrong to imply that Bugsters must “give the others hell” when they don’t march TOTALLY in step with the rest. The premise here is try it out and report back if its working or not. Well i am reporting back. Being overly curt to fellow pro Whites (and MOST importantly fellow Bugsters) is NOT working. We need 300. We have 30 (31 including me as i haven’t posted in the new thread yet.)

There will always different personalities and some that rub each of us up the wrong way but the “yes sir, okay sir” approach is not helping us gain numbers.

HD-I am not sure your approach will work. Is worth a try but i think it might put people off. Remember the manta is to browbeat anti-Whites. Just convese normally but thread in some talking points and use our terminology.

PS-30ish is about right. I actually went through the original thread a couple of months ago and counted all the names i regnoized as current mantra posters. It was about 30ish. I didn’t want to post that at the time.

[meawhiterabbit]

Edit-video already linked (didn’t see it!)

[Henry Davenport]

Happy New Year to you, meawhiterabbit!

“My opinion? Bob is wrong to imply that Bugsters must ‘give the others hell’ when they don’t march TOTALLY in step with the rest.”

As far as how we BUGSTERS here deal with EACH OTHER, I agree with you that we should not “give each other hell.” BUT, I believe strongly that we should ALWAYS speak up when we think one of us is OFF TRACK! I think it should be done in a courteous and considerate or at least neutral way, since we’re not in the situation of soldiers living together in a barracks who are having their sensitivities toughened by some daily regimen of NCO abuse, etc…our daily lives are civilian lives and our sensitivities remain pretty much the sensitivities of civilians.

But haven’t we generally been treating each other courteously and considerately or neutrally? It seems to me that we have, and that we have a fine collective feeling here, so I don’t think how we treat each other is the reason our numbers are small.

I’d like to hear Bob’s opinion again on this, if he thinks it necessary.

As to how BUGSTERS treat OTHER PRO-WHITES, I’ve had mixed opinions since my having felt so bad the other day from having been discourteous on SF. It’s my nature until overwrought to feel friendly and courteous, and I’m hoping to be able to step back from now on when I get overwrought.

But I do enjoy and think it useful to sometimes have a sort of bantering tone, the sort of friendly but humorous way that Genseric was pressing and chiding MaxVictory yesterday as I mentioned.

We want to always be on message (White Genocide) and to be doing it using and displaying Mantra tactics! As Bob has posted recently, any other words we include in our posts detract from our message. That’s why I’m resistant to your suggestion to “Just convese normally but thread in some talking points and use our terminology.”

No, I don’t want to converse normally! I don’t want to keep inflating with our own energy the kinds of objections, analyses of what we are doing by people who haven’t done it, etc. etc. that we encounter among other pro-Whites. Let the energy they’re putting into that die on the vine, as the bitter fruits they offer us go unplucked while we work relentlessly to get energy flowing into our own perennials instead!

Let’s engage with other pro-Whites to the maximum we are able to, but NOT IN THEIR STYLE! Let’s respond to their points ONLY if we can figure out how to do it in Mantra style. There is no other way to convert their bitter fruits into sherbert!

I look at it this way: if a guy as bright and able as MaxVictory can’t see the potential of what we do BY SEEING IT DONE IN FRONT OF HIS FACE, then he lacks something other than intelligence that’s necessary to be a bugster.

As for courtesy or not to other pro-Whites, maybe Horus’ post to me and Genseric yesterday on the working thread gets at that question best: “Everyone brings their personality into the struggle.”

Most of us are probably going to be courteous to ourselves and to other pro-Whites, and that will set the general tone. If some of us aren’t always courteous, maybe it isn’t such a big deal.
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meawhiterabbit, I never got back to you about my take on your posts on SF to the Irish (?) who were as upset about Poles immigrating into their country as about the non-White immigrants. For whatever it’s worth, my strong reaction was that it’s a mistake to remonstrate with them that all Whites should stick together, etc.

My goodness, if all Whites had the tribal feeling those guys have, our problems would be over!! Let’s not try to override their tribal feelings, let’s be grateful as hell that they have them and work with those guys within their own context!

[meawhiterabbit]

HD-Generally there is a very friendly tone around here (particularly yourself HD!) but from time to time some posters can be overly curt-although i think this has improved. I was pointing this out because it seems like we have had a drop in voices of about 62% from the first where did you post the mantra thread to the new one. That to me suggests there is something that happens when people do join the Swarm that turns them off. I could be wrong but i am just putting this out there. I had concerns when the numbers were rising slowly and i voiced these a few months ago. I let it fly then as on the surface it did seem like we were gettng new recruits. However when i did my own research i discovered we were actually loosing people. This number of voices in the new thread seems to confirm my suspicions. Bottom line is it seems like our retention of Bugsters is awful!

Regarding “civic nationalism.” I do not agreee HD. Over in the Uk the Scots are against the English, The Welsh against the English, North and South Ireland fighting, The Catholcs at the Protestants from all over the UK are at each others throats and everyone complains about white immigration and Muslims all day long. BUT few apart from us points out those are all distractions to keep our eye of the real issue-White genocide. It all seems like controlled BS tp me. The media controls the energy flow and i just KNOW that there are posters over on SF who are shills controlling the energy flow also. I can sense it. Look at their history posts. They are the EDL lot. Look for the trends. Anyway to be honest i am not wasting energy with them anymore. FYI the guy Raffles over in the Brit Forum is a true White Nationalist and agrees more or less 100% with me.

[Simmons]

Ego is a big killer for us in being effective, and as the early adopters we probably have outsized egos and the littlest critique is viewed as a deep slash at our personal honor. I wasted my time and Calvert’s time with a flippant remark that looking back at was my fault for not being clear or making it in the first place. I said we would correct any mistakes his customers made in Mantra logic. Totally dumb on my part to act like such an ass. We need more people using the Mantra and if it is imperfect we can gently suggest other ways of using it.

As for a couple of posters who came here to spout N&J like epiphany and bglass they should be shown the door if they refuse to use the Mantra or any part of Mantra logic. Saying this sent one of us (bianco) over his personal edge, but that might be the one thing we hold the line on N&J since the whole net is available for that.

That makes me a hypocrite since years ago I was a dumb N&Jser, but since Bob had no one else at the time he stuck with me and the little core group has now expanded and IMO we need not be too tolerant of being sidetracked into “tailgating.”

And finally I must say the people that have been attracted to the Swarm are top notch IMO. Just reading their use of the Mantra and Mantra logic out there is mind blowing in how effective this little group has become.

[Henry Davenport]

@ meawhiterabbit: Your first paragraph is extremely important (thanks for doing the research), and I hope everyone will read it and have some ideas.

Courtesy among ourselves is very important, and even isolated instances of discourtesy among us might drive away persons who could be excellent bugsters. I’m not sure, and I’m reversing a bit what I said in my last post, I know.

When I was first here, my first sight of Bob was when he came on the working thread to yell dreadfully at some old timer…probably Genseric, ha ha!…Lol! 🙂 who had transgressed in some way! I was very taken aback, and thought, wow, if this is the kind of thing that goes on here even from the leader, this may not be a place I can function in. It threw me out for a day or two at least. (Actually, I think it wasn’t Genseric that time, but I can’t recall who it was. Not someone who has since departed, I hope)

But now I’m fond of Bob and understand him better and am sure I could handle it (after a couple of days of sulking) if he were the same to me. (Well, to be honest, I could handle it, but it would leave a bad feeling in me for a long, long time. It would cause me to function here at a lower level for a long time. That’s just the way I’m built and there’s nothing I can do about it).

Your second paragraph is very convincing and was an education for me…thanks! I bow to your much superior understanding of that issue.

[Secret Squirrel]

meawhiterabbit:
“Okay here’s the honest truth. Look at the amount of voices in the first where did you post the Mantra. Now look at the second. Something is not working here. My opinion? Bob is wrong to imply that Bugsters must “give the others hell” when they don’t march TOTALLY in step with the rest. The premise here is try it out and report back if its working or not. Well i am reporting back. Being overly curt to fellow pro Whites (and MOST importantly fellow Bugsters) is NOT working. We need 300. We have 30 (31 including me as i haven’t posted in the new thread yet.) ”

“I was pointing this out because it seems like we have had a drop in voices of about 62% from the first where did you post the mantra thread to the new one. That to me suggests there is something that happens when people do join the Swarm that turns them off. ”

We need 300 on message BUGSers to bring down the “Berlin Wall”, not 300 of anything. Stormfront has 200,000 members and the wall is still there. That is the point.

Bob has said, finding the right people for the core group, will take some time, so I assume such people are rare. Also, I have not seen anyone being overly curt with anyone here, unless I have missed something? The comments on us getting angry with Doubting Thomas, is why I made this thread. So if we create a well thought out system, for dealing with these people, that will improve our public image no end.

As for your comments on drop off, I think what is happening is, people realize BUGStering is hard work. Speaking for myself, I have always found Youtube particularly grueling and it burns me out quickly, simply because I allow my emotions to get in the way. If I could turn off my emotions like a Zen Master, burnout wouldn’t be a problem.

Case in point, I noticed one BUGSer posting angry on Youtube and knew she was not going to last long, because no one can sustain that level of intensity for very long. People have to understand that BUGStering is a marathon, it is not a sprint.

Anyway, I posted this thread with the hope there would be more suggestions, for dealing with argumentative Pro Whites. Anyone got any further ideas? Mine are just suggestions that people can try out and see if they work. If you use any of the above, please report back with your results.

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