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Even White Supremacists are using our terms these days

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  • 09/26/2013 at 12:38 am #51913
    Henry Davenport
    Participant

    @ EWR: Good idea. I haven’t even learned how to use Facebook yet. Sigh.

    09/26/2013 at 12:39 am #51914
    JPOutlook
    Participant

    @Pro-Vitae

    Um. JPO, have you had a Frollo moment yet 😀 Being Catholic and racist and all.

    In YOUR OPINION it’s “racist”.

    You’re just saying that because I am White.

    Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

    09/26/2013 at 12:54 am #51917
    Hexadecimator777
    Participant

    I second the opinions of several people here, who raised concerns over associating ourselves with demonized symbols. I agree that displaying swastikas is a very bad idea. On the other hand, I can also understand why some people would identify more with the Third Reich; especially given the things that have happened in post war America since then. I understand the attraction there. I can see where they are coming from. The people who fall in with the NSM crowd are reacting to White Genocide in a polarized way. The way Anti-Whites use the word “Nazi,” it makes it sound like a good thing; albeit to a small minority of people. These people are thinking that if this is what a ‘Nazi’ is, then society needs more Nazis. I’m actually a little surprised that millions more haven’t decided to don an SS uniform out of their disgust for everything. Of course, doing so would also mean burning lots of bridges behind them; and most people are too sensible to do that.

    In either case, I doubt this will hurt White People any more than they’ve already been. White People are the scum of the Earth simply for being born in the eyes of the national media. Hence, our mantra.

    09/26/2013 at 1:35 am #51918
    Henry Davenport
    Participant

    @ JPOutlook: I have a lot of sympathy with the things you’re saying, and you may even be right, but I come to different conclusions, even if uneasily.

    Every time a banner, “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white,” or “White GeNOcide,” is mounted on a freeway overpass somewhere in this country, our goal of opening up the national conversation to our issues is achieved right then and there. We are delivering our part of that conversation right then and there, and the anti-whites immediately deliver their response.

    If that action (minus the Celtic Cross, as Jimmy agrees) and other public actions like it begin to occur at least once every week somewhere in this country, our issues will be in the minds and on the tongues of the general White population rather quickly, since television is a much more powerful delivery system than are the comment sections we post in.

    And it’s the Jimmy Marrs of the world who will carry out those actions, not almost any of the others of us now operating from BUGs, let’s be honest.

    So I’m mostly interested in Jimmy maintaining his spirit and infusing others with his spirit who will emulate him. As I commented, he’s in the middle of a bunch of doers and he’s evidently being a great model to everyone there by just doing Mantra stuff for the cameras.

    But..to take the other point of view for a moment…suppose some TV commentator was planning to use the term “anti-white” in his commentary tomorrow, but he watches a news clip on Leith and sees one of the signs, and decides, no, maybe I better not, if Nazis are using it.

    Jimmy Marr, it’s a valid concern. We need you to weigh the pros and cons, even though that may be a downer.

    09/26/2013 at 1:43 am #51921
    Henry Davenport
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    Redaction: “We hope you will weigh the pros and cons, even though that may be a downer.”

    (SysOp, can you extend the edit function for a bit more time?)

    09/26/2013 at 2:21 am #51925
    Cleric_Preston
    Participant

    If a TV commentator sees ‘Anti-White’ on a TV clip from Leith then thousands of others have also seen it.
    What’s the alternative ? Not put up the sign on the chance that a ‘personality’ might not use the term in a TV commentary ?
    The ‘personalities’ were NEVER using Anti-White prior to us.
    Exposure is exposure, if the message is on TV it’s on TV regardless of whether it’s said by the commentator or footage of a sign.

    I agree with keeping the ‘baggage’ of misunderstood symbols away from the message, however I am not opposed to anyone in a membership organization coming on message, if that makes sense.
    Pretty soon, relatively speaking, membership organisations who aren’t on message are going to look pretty stupid, so be prepared for it to happen whether individually we like it or not.

    09/26/2013 at 6:17 am #51937
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Coming on message and being cross pollinated are two entirely different things.

    What if a thousand nazis tomorrow started to publicly display our talking points?

    Could we refute the point that this is not a nazi establishment?

    We are NORMAL WHITE PEOPLE thats what we are…BUT if a thousand nazis are out in swastika ridden regalia reciting the mantra could we still call ourselves normal white people?

    Association with swastikas and what not validate anti white comments. Imo there is no way to refute it.

    09/26/2013 at 8:08 am #51942
    John White
    Participant

    I’ve done some thinking about this.

    First off, when I said that shaved heads and swastikas are counterproductive, I wasn’t criticizing Jimmy Marr—I was criticizing the NSM’s approach.

    One of the many things I love about BUGS is that we seemed to have destroyed the old debate on e-activism vs “real world” activism. In my opinion, we should keep it that way.

    Yes, Cobb and his crew have “balls.” But BUGS is NOT about having balls. It’s about spreading our message in every way possible.

    This was a success for Jimmy and our team, DESPITE the NSM stubbornly insisting on portraying themselves exactly like the anti-whites WANT us all to be: “Naziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews.”

    09/26/2013 at 11:55 am #51943
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Does anyone have an answer?

    09/26/2013 at 12:10 pm #51944
    Jay
    Participant

    At this point in time. It doesn’t matter what banner we fly. Sugar coated all you want. We’re still Nazis. Might as well go down with the Swastika with pride.

    09/26/2013 at 12:25 pm #51945
    Secret Squirrel
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    “What if a thousand nazis tomorrow started to publicly display our talking points?”

    If that many did it now, they would take control of the message and there is nothing we could do.

    I saw the NSM leader in one of those videos, claiming his is the biggest Pro White organization in the USA – as if they represent everyone. Doesn’t matter if it is true, if someone makes that claim enough times, the idiots in the media will believe them.

    The only way we could stop them hijacking the mantra, is if BUGS became a bigger street movement and made the same claim.

    The only thing stopping the Nazis using the Mantra, is the naziwantstokill6millionjews line. They would look stupid if they said it.

    09/26/2013 at 12:28 pm #51946
    Secret Squirrel
    Participant

    In your opinion I am a Nazi, Jay. You’re just saying that because I am White.

    09/26/2013 at 12:38 pm #51947
    Jay
    Participant

    -They don’t dare to call Putin a Nazi yet.

    09/26/2013 at 12:45 pm #51948
    Secret Squirrel
    Participant

    In your opinion Putin is a Nazi. You’re just saying that because he is White. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

    09/26/2013 at 1:05 pm #51950
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    No…jay. We are normal white people.

    09/26/2013 at 1:20 pm #51952
    -Gar5-
    Participant

    Pro-Vitae, back again so soon?

    …Meanwhile we’re here to stop White genocide. Are you…?

    09/26/2013 at 1:26 pm #51953
    Mimmy Jarr
    Participant

    Here’s a good case in point:

    I’ve been invited to participate in a rally with the folks who produced this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8dSWfW0Wgw

    I’ve worked with them before. They’ve helped me hold the big banner. They support my efforts against White GeNOcide. They have a specific flag and credo to which I do not subscribe.

    If I go, I may get the Mantra in news again. If I reject their offer because of the specific beliefs we do not share, I will have to work in isolation, and thus will probably not attract any large scale public attention.

    The way I look at it, our struggle against White GeNOcide trumps all ideological preferences.

    Dead races endorse no creeds.

    09/26/2013 at 1:40 pm #51954
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    In the eyes of the masses that are asses nazis are cannon fodder for the religion of political correctness. Jimmy PLEASE do not take this personally there are just 2 things im concerned with.

    1. What happens if you get ppl in nazi regalia quoting our talking points?

    2. If “nazis” are quoting OUR talking points can we still claim to be normal white ppl…which we are.

    I totally get it, we need to force the discussion. But will rhe discussion be about “nazis” or white genocide.

    09/26/2013 at 1:51 pm #51955
    Secret Squirrel
    Participant

    Jimmy Marr says:
    “I’ve been invited to participate in a rally with the folks who produced this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8dSWfW0Wgw”

    I thought she did really well.

    When I saw that video a couple of weeks ago, I was thinking if only she was using our talking points, people would have remembered what she said.

    09/26/2013 at 1:58 pm #51956
    Secret Squirrel
    Participant

    ‘Globalism is Imperialism’ is a good one though. Its the kind of thing that Bob would have noticed.

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