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  • #41507
    Horus
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    Follow The White Rabbit 74

    Practical Politics and the Swarm

    Running North and South

    Horus and Truck Roy

    There is a new FTWR and the first 40 minutes are important for all Swarmers new and old

    #41512
    Ice Knight
    Participant

    Interesting stuff Horus.

    You make some valid points about running East to West and I get where you are coming from. I was involved with the discussion over on the Stormfront thread and can see your point to an extent – the WN getting their panties in a bunch because their video with only 78 views got hit multiple times by a BUGSter to me was quite funny, but I must admit a pointless and unnecessary argument with people on our own side. Yes the target was of little use to the swarm because of a low view count and yes we do need to resist temptation and maintain more discipline.

    However where I think you misread it is understanding the psychology of a lot of BUGSters themselves. Do you actually get the time to do any Mantra posting yourself? If so, what is your motivation to keep on posting?

    I can only speak for myself and maybe a controversial point, but one that I suspect also motivates a lot of BUGSters. I freely admit I enjoy trolling. I gain a psychological buzz from going on to a forum and posting something so controversial it creates a shit-storm, something I enjoyed long before I joined BUGS. My views are also strongly pro-White, so BUGS is perfect for me as it combines them both.

    So when the WN was complaining about having their video hit by a BUGSter, I had to physically resist temptation to go on there and do exactly the same myself.

    Yes such motivation can be a destructive force, but I also think it explains why such a small group of maybe 50-100 dedicated people have had such a massive impact on getting the message spread to every corner of the web. We enjoy it! πŸ™‚

    When we stopped posting links on the working thread this killed a lot of social interaction and the reward aspect for a lot of BUGSters – it slowed the energy of the SWARM. Likewise if we become too paranoid about only posting in particular places and have to appease every socially inept WN that doesn’t really get it and throws their toys out of the pram when we do, I fear it will have a similar effect.

    I’m not saying we should go out and deliberately target WN websites, but likewise maintaining a presence on such sites as we have done over the past few years I don’t think will alienate the majority of pro-Whites. Most of them understand what we are doing and for those that don’t it’s no great hardship for them to block our posting or press the delete button.

    The power of any internet meme is that it can appear absolutely anywhere and BUGSters have had a huge success in achieving this. What we have been doing to date is WORKING and we should be very cautious about interrupting this energy flow.

    #41516
    Jason
    Participant

    Icenight, don’t you think there are oceans of unexplored anti-White sites and neutral sites yet to be touched? Why specifically hit WN sites at this point?

    All the WNs know we exist.

    This is like the joke about the CEO who is mad because separate divisions his company keep stealing money from each other instead of making real money outside the company. He blows up and says, “go make some actual third party money, quit haggling over how to split up the pie”.

    I think we need to reach out to areas that haven’t been touched. And at this point, of what real interest are other WNs sites to us, except their possible usefulness when we need to push a new movie. Why piss them off?

    #41521
    Jason
    Participant

    Icenight, what I wanted to add is, I do understand the impulse you are talking about and got caught up wasting my time with a AMPW just 2 weeks ago. So, I’m like a reformed drunk right about the issue now. πŸ™‚

    #41522
    Ice Knight
    Participant

    Jason, yes I agree hitting neutral and anti-White sites should be our primary focus but we have been doing that quite successfully already.

    I’m not saying we should specifically target WN sites – just maintain a presence as we’ve always done. Basically don’t change a formula that so far seems to have worked very effectively. Most BUGSters will regularly read these sites anyway, so I don’t see any great harm in expressing our viewpoint whilst we are there.

    More and more people are shifting towards a pro-White way of thinking (…rapidly from what I see around me living in Europe) so when they do visit such sites I think it is good for them to see some representation and hopefully send a few in our direction.

    #41523
    Horus
    Participant

    IceKnight,

    I understand your motivation. And I respect your skill set. This is not a point of contention and it not necessarily about about offending WN. This is about discipline, energy flows, and more importantly seeing who is impersonating us fooling around out there.

    I will do another podcast …called “breaking ladders and winning formulas”.

    And I have not posted a Mantra since a few months before ARH. My motivation was some news piece were I did not see the Mantra. I do not see this as a thrill and have not in a long time. I see it is a job. Like WRR…something that I feel must be done. These days. I enjoy seeing anything Mantra-ish on websites where we are not welcome. Granted that takes more time than copy and paste.

    I do not go looking for WN blogs that need it. Never have. Because believe me….you will find plenty and end up in a pointless arguments. My goal was to have a banner on Stormfront. Because that is what we needed the most. Unless invited, I don’t attend. When invited you get a captive audience for so many minutes. When uninvited you end up in arguments.

    I avoid the temptation. Because I understand the temptation. Plus this creates a line in the sand.

    I am not saying I am above “drive by sniping”.

    I get it. You like to troll. And we both know the Mantra raises hell across the board. I would like your type of Swarmer to take their skill set from the WN stuff with 100 views to the So-Called Conservative blogs//websites with millions of readers. Some of you are already doing this.

    We will continue conversation. Because were to Swarm and were it is a waste is a fine line in some instances. We do not have a nuclear option. You cannot hit a button and hammer ever open space on the internet withe Mantra. We always have to be selective. We have big glowing signs above some neighborhoods. And we sill have Swarmers trying to plant a sign on every house in the neighborhood. Meanwhile we have other nice fat neighborhoods that will never let us have a big glowing sign.

    #41524
    Ice Knight
    Participant

    Yes Jason, truth be told I could spend all day on Stormfront arguing with people like Hadding – it’s great fun! πŸ˜‰

    Likewise I had to maintain discipline and pulled myself out of the argument I was having with him as it is wasting time when we should be spreading the Mantra – but the temptation is most certainly there!

    #41536
    Jason
    Participant

    Horus, are you saying that as each of us gets more experience, you’d like to see us posting on Huffpo or Freepers or other sites that would outright band real Mantra material with whatever we can get away with as long as it has Mantra-ish qualities?

    Soften up the largest audience to the message so to speak? Something that tilts acceptable discussion toward a more Mantra-friendly view?

    #41538
    Horus
    Participant

    Iceknight,
    What I would like to do is have a skype conference with Swarmers such as yourself to get on the same page. We want to make sure WE are not misunderstanding our winning formula.

    And yes, many whites are becoming ProWhite. That is why we want to maintain friends and respect wishes and make sure rabbits are not impersonating us just to cause trouble etc. And we want our banners to stay up. We want our allies to keep directing the energy into our sites. Blanket posting the Mantra on ProWhite sites has never achieved that. I am not saying don’t hammer opposing views. I am not saying don’t clobber Amren. We don’t need to clobber this area with the Mantra anymore than we need to post the Mantra underneath AntiRacist Hitler.

    #41540
    Horus
    Participant

    Jason,
    There are many mini mantras that can be poked in here and there. You just have to be more clever and look at the conversation. Yes it is harder but more rewarding.

    My goal with Follow the White Rabbit was to build us a Swarm. Then move into animations and build a massive audience. Notice the target audience of FTWR1 is way more narrow than AntiRAcist Hitler. I am not leaving my target audience. I am expanding in a direction. We want to use the Mantra and the goal is energy control. We want to reach out farther and farther into audiences that are shifting our way.

    Conservatives are basically a waste of time. But great idiots to troll. They are brain dead. I would rather have Iceknight hammering them and wasting time with them than the Haddings. Because you have many conservatives on the fence reading along. That is great. On the other hand, the left has whites that will jump in our camp.

    #41544
    Horus
    Participant

    Iceknight,

    Just to make sure, I am not talking about expressing a viewpoint on CounterCurrents. I am talking about spending an hour copy and pasting on videos with 50- 500 views and arguing with WN and getting into screaming matches via PM.

    This is part of growing pains. From what I have heard and seen, 98% of us are on the same page.

    #41547
    Ice Knight
    Participant

    Thanks for the response Horus. I agree with what you are saying and it is true 98% of us are all on the same page, stopping White geNOcide.

    Our end goal is the same, however we obviously differ in our motivation when posting. You describe it as necessary work to achieve a goal, I and probably a significant percentage of BUGSters see it as means of spreading a message to achieve that same goal, but also derive a self-satisfied sense of enjoyment from infuriating those that disagree! I guess that makes us sociopaths? LOL πŸ˜‰

    Generally I think most of us are pretty well disciplined and do prioritise the big neutral and anti-White websites. The higher concentration of Mantra posting on low view count WN websites is often because we are reading them anyway rather than any deliberate targeting.

    I’ve never been involved directly in the internal politics of some of the WN groups. However if they are supporting us and you think this creates unnecessary friction, I’ll accept your better judgement and steer clear.

    Interesting that you think the Leftist websites will be better recruiting territory for our message. I’ve certainly hit a few in the past and felt that for some I was speaking to their whole world view had just been shattered by Mantra thinking, so I can see the logic behind it.

    Yes a Skype conference could be good for BUGSters if you were planning to set one up, the last one probably had more than 20 people call in if I remember rightly, although it did get a bit hijacked in parts by the anti-Whites

    #41548
    Henry Davenport
    Participant

    “Yes Jason, truth be told I could spend all day on Stormfront arguing with people like Hadding – it’s great fun! πŸ˜‰ ”

    OMG, Iceknight! Lol! If I EVER get into another “discussion” with that guy, someone please remind me that I’ve vowed to myself at least twice to never ever step on to the Hadding merry-go-round again!

    I’m glad to have Horus’ general statement on this issue…I agree with him… and probably the part of this statement by him that I’ve put in bold and italics is the special reason we need to back off an extra amount right now:

    “This is about discipline, energy flows, and more importantly seeing who is impersonating us fooling around out there.

    Let’s back off and let Horus and others get a clear picture of that.

    The skype conversation is a good idea.

    #41554
    -Sentinel-
    Participant

    If one can resist tailgating with an AMPW, he can resist any anti-White’s BS.

    ”…So easy, an AMPW can do it!”

    #41555
    Horus
    Participant

    “I agree with what you are saying and it is true 98% of us are all on the same page, stopping White geNOcide.”

    And we are close to that when it comes to where to swarm. I wanted to set out a few ideas to expand upon and have an open discussion.

    “Generally I think most of us are pretty well disciplined and do priorities the big neutral and anti-White websites. The higher concentration of Mantra posting on low view count WN websites is often because we are reading them anyway rather than any deliberate targeting. ”

    I agree and also know that if a Swarmer gets asked not to mantra that particular site. They oblige for whatever reason. And the converse is also true. There have been instances were someone is using our goods and trying to deliberately pick fights etc with other WN. And in some cases via PM etc I told those sites to ban them. We concluded that they are not with US. The goal is start a discussion and make the Swarm more productive and give the newcomers some guidelines. Guidelines are not rules. Guidelines are something someone has to actually think about.

    Guideline
    80% of WN sites are a waste of our swarm effort….98% of the time. There are exceptions.

    this is general guideline that is true based on my experience

    Guideline
    We do not need our most talented sitting and arguing with Hadding for 3 days straight instead of working on Swarming or other BUGS projects. (HD this was directed at you)

    I want to be explicit and reaffirm what most of you already know. But wanted to do so on the record in a podcast.

    #41556
    Horus
    Participant

    Having this type of discussion is not an attempt to stifle productivity. Just the opposite. There have been times in the past were we wanted to get a look at a changing rule book forthcoming. Remember Youtube and the changes taking place. etc

    And this is not about pissing off some of the WN who will always have a BUG up their arse. This about making the ship sail smoother.

    There are many instances were we are all involved in a thread/discussion and realize after the fact that is was a HUGE waste of time and effort. This happens when we become to knee jerk and too robotic.

    #41560
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I have alot of conservative friends at work, some of which i discussed white genocide with. They are NOT happy with the direction that the “respectables” have taken. They do not disagree with our message but are terrified to speak about it publicly. Politics are becoming racialized right before our eyes look at immigration reform for instance. White people have NOWHERE to turn to anymore, thats where we come in πŸ™‚ Some Normal white conservatives are NOT eating what they are being fed, these bastards are doing the job for us to some extent.

    #41561
    Horus
    Participant

    Asgard,

    Yes. Another Guideline: “Conservatives are terrified of us. Liberals are shocked.”

    Some Bugsters would do better swarming Conservatives based on this fact. And the Iceknights will do quite well against liberals. Why? Someone like Iceknight cannot get much of a satisfaction if someone is scared and runs away. He wants to fight. Conservatives tend to run because they are terrified of being associated with a discussion with us. On the other hand, liberals know they will not be associated and will tend to engage when they are shocked.

    Fox News was terrified and ran away from Ole Bob. Vice was shocked. Some of you are better at dealing with one than the other.

    For instance, I have had discussions with serious left wing organizers. And not just in the USA. They loved AntiRacist Hitler. They thought it was hilarious and ballsy. This opened up some avenues and they wanted to discuss some things. I ain’t heard from any major Conservatives. They would terrified caught emailing White Rabbit Radio with anything other than “U’z a racist!”

    #41579
    Jason
    Participant

    β€œConservatives are terrified of us. Liberals are shocked.”

    When I posted on a pro-gun youtbube channel, the owner flipped out and went out of his way to denounce me. It wasn’t enough to delete my comment, he wanted to be seen publicly trashing me.

    As far the Left, my concern is that they only come over to the extent they see the message of ARH as ‘anti-Zionist’. Some see Israelis as a type of White people. (However, that doesn’t mean they aren’t useful, so that is fine!). But I have never seen a modern pro-White Leftist. I’m not sure what one would be like. But I’m open!

    #41580
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Jason, i havent seen a modern day pro white leftist myself. I STILL dont see how ANY LEFTIST would denounce white genocide when their driving force is “white guilt”. If someone has an answer or theory i would love to hear it because i cannot come up with one.

    Thanks guys AND gals πŸ™‚

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