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07/28/2014 at 7:49 pm in reply to: How to speak to whites with mixed race spouses and children? #95115
@shari wrote:
Why not ask those with mixed race children, if they think that, those children will be better off, if there is no white race or white countries left? Will a non-white world really be better?
No, that is not the right response; at least, it is not the right BUGS response. Because White genocide has nothing to do with whether the world is better off with or without White people. We don’t have to prove our right to exist, and, besides, they probably believe that the world would be better off without us.
If you speak to them at all (and I think the context was a group discussion with non-race-mixers present as well), you simply have to point out that White genocide is happening, and that their personal choice of action does not justify public policy effecting White genocide.
07/27/2014 at 8:25 pm in reply to: How to speak to whites with mixed race spouses and children? #95100Whether mixed-race children are an abomination or not has nothing to do with whether White genocide is happening or not. They’re really two separate questions.
To think of the matter abstractly, in a chemistry course I took in college, the professor told us that, once we used a spoon to mix chemicals, we must never put the spoon back into a container of a pure chemical because that would contaminate the batch. He wasn’t saying that we couldn’t mix the chemicals; in fact, we were required to mix the chemicals. He was telling us not to contaminate the pure batches.
So saying that genocide is wrong is not the same as saying that a mixed-race child is an abomination. However, most people who oppose White genocide probably would find a mixed-race child an abomination.
So, if someone asks you whether you think their child is an abomination, you can answer, “That has nothing to do with it. We simply want to end White genocide,” and you would be perfectly correct, just as whether mixing the chemicals is an abomination has nothing to do with keeping the batches pure.
07/26/2014 at 8:25 am in reply to: How to speak to whites with mixed race spouses and children? #95072Benjamin wrote:
The mantra is for “unblocking” anti-white thought in people who appreciate their own people/have loyalty to their own people in some form or another and want to preserve that. The mantra is not for convincing someone to appreciate their own people. There are some people who have no loyalty to their own group.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some people who were anti-White or lacked any loyalty to their own people who were turned around by the Mantra.
But Benjamin and Jason are right, your task is to make the point that White genocide is happening, not that race-mixing is an abomination or that they will have to move. You don’t have to convince them; just make the point, make it repeatedly, and don’t back down. You may be able to disarm them. By that I mean that they will no longer feel confident about promoting non-White immigration and will remain silent on the issue.
07/25/2014 at 6:02 pm in reply to: How to speak to whites with mixed race spouses and children? #95064I haven’t read all the articles that Bob has written over the past 15 years, so I’m not exactly sure of what Bob’s position is on the subject. Here are a couple of responses that I thought of:
We don’t seek to eliminate all mixed-race countries. Why do you seek to eliminate all all-White countries?
All of Latin America is for mixed-race people. Why can’t we have any all-White countries?
I’m not sure whether these answers are BUGS correct, so criticism is welcome. I do know, however, that Beefcake has said that there could still be some mixed-race areas for people who wanted that. I assume that he meant in separate countries.
My personal opinion is that no non-White or mixed-race person, and no one with non-White/mixed-race children should be allowed in any White country, except as a tourist, diplomat, or a small number necessary to conduct international trade, and perhaps a few students and visiting athletes. I would not make any compromises or concessions on that point. Beyond that, I don’t believe that the United States will survive intact, so separate non-White/mixed-race countries North of the Rio Grande are a possibility. Europe should be 100% White.
My thinking on the matter is
(1) Whites are from Europe. Jews are from Israel. Israel is not in Europe.
(2) Jews themselves don’t think of themselves as White, except when it’s convenient to do so.That’s why, given (1) and (2) I would say that Jews are not White, although they are obviously Caucasian. Of course, many Jews have considerable White admixture, but, because of the loyalty factor, they should be excluded as being counted as White as well.
Benjamin, you’ve never explained to us why you chose a blatantly Jewish name as your online persona. Care to explain that to us?
The words “white nations,” “white countries,” “non-white nations,” and “non-white countries” appear throughout the article.
In every instance that he refers to White nations or White countries, either the word “white” appears within quotation marks, or it is preceded by the phrase “so-called.”
In every instance save one that he refers to non-White nations or countries, the words “non-white” do not appear within quotation marks and are not preceded by the phrase “so-called.”
Whom does he think he is fooling with this when he can’t even fool himself?
To me, the purpose of contacting politicians isn’t to change their opinions, because most politicians don’t hold opinions, but to influence their votes. The politician won’t read your message, anyway; it will be read by a staffer, and he will keep a tally of how many people are in favor of or oppose to a particular piece of legislation, which he will report to his boss. So if thousands of people send faxes, say, to oppose amnesty, it may have an influence. That’s where NumbersUSA comes in handy. Even if the politician is anti-White, he still wants to be reelected, so you may have an influence. But I don’t think that a few of us sending Mantras will make any difference.
If you can contact the media and get them to report on something Mantra-related, that is good, but, as with politicians, even if they run a story, it’s not because they are pro-White, but rather because they think it will make for a sensational story, or for some other reason.
That’s why, even though I do participate in NumbersUSA, posting the Mantra or mini-Mantras on youtube, news articles, social media sites, etc., is the most effective thing we can do at this point.
The purpose of what we are doing is not to convince the anti-Whites. The purpose is to present our memes, or repeaters, to the fence-sitters, and to provoke a response from the anti-Whites to make them look bad in front of the audience of fence-sitters. Contacting representatives in Congress or members of the media will not do that, because there is no “audience.” The mainstream media (MSM) is solidly anti-White. Most politicians are anti-White, although there are some pro-Whites or “undercover lovers.”
If you want to contact your representatives, http://www.numbersusa.com is a site you may be interested in. It sends you action alerts whenever there is a vote on an immigration issue. It then presents you with boilerplate faxes that you can edit and insert Mantra terminology if you wish. I’ve had an account with them for years.
The MSM is so solidly anti-White that contacting them is probably a waste of time. There may be exceptions, but trying to find them is probably not an efficient use of time.
Beefcakes Bootcamp is a good introduction on how to present the Mantra in front of an audience, and making the anti-Whites look bad in front of the audience.
05/11/2014 at 8:20 pm in reply to: Denying the consequences of speaking out, and demanding a list of names #93600@Denounce Genocidists, that was perfect! I’ll keep that in mind next time someone asks that.
05/11/2014 at 11:28 am in reply to: Denying the consequences of speaking out, and demanding a list of names #93594Thanks for the replies. One more question: What people were specifically threatened for participating in the White Man’s March? I think mentioning people who were threatened or harmed for participating in the White Man’s March would be better than mentioning someone who was arrested for some rant on a train.
05/11/2014 at 12:32 am in reply to: Denying the consequences of speaking out, and demanding a list of names #93585Thanks for the replies. You’ve all given me some ideas.
Jason wrote, “Horus made a great point recently – it is impossible to have “discussions” or arguments when we are in the middle of psychological warfare.” I agree, but how do we make that point to the audience. The anti-White says, “Let’s have that discussion right here on youtube.” If I reply, “Not now; we’re in the middle of psychological warfare,” the audience won’t understand what I’m talking about. Would a good answer be, “The time will be ready when there is a general willingness to discuss White genocide”?
Speaking of Horus, he does speak about genocide tribunals and putting a velvet rope around people’s necks. I’ve listened to the first eleven of his podcasts. He seems to meander around a lot. Is it worth listening to the rest of them?
Also, you’ve all answered my second question, but what about the anti-White who says there are no consequences to speaking out about White genocide. Are there any examples I could point out?
The review posted yesterday. Here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R23B5N62IB3FAX
I’ll also post the link on the working thread later tonight.
Thank you for all your suggestions. I have posted the review this morning, giving it one star, since nearly everyone else gave it four or five stars. Amazon said they are processing my review, and that they will e-mail me when that is done. As of now, I have not received any e-mail from them, and the review has not posted.
Thank you for your feedback.
Here is my revised review:
This is a very worthwhile book about Frank Borman, a national hero, the first to command a manned mission to lunar orbit. The author, Frank Borman himself, provides a lot of details about his military career, his NASA days, and his time at Eastern Airlines. But it also contains within it the seeds of what is wrong with American society, and why we are in decline.
Sprinkled throughout the book are several anti-White statements, some subtle, some not so subtle. The two most glaring ones are one where he complains about a policy at West Point, already repealed by the time he was a student there, forbidding Black cadets from dancing with White women, and another where he calls White people “rednecks” for maintaining a segregated school system that benefited White students. These may seem mild compared to the blatant anti-White statements and policies we hear today. Borman himself may think he was just being fair. After all, in other passages he wrote approvingly about flying the Confederate flag, and about how he disapproved of more favorable treatment for non-Whites. Nonetheless, attitudes such as these, which started to become common among members of his generation, set the stage for the more blatant anti-White policies that were to come, such as massive non-White immigration in ALL White countries and ONLY White countries.
When we have Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, and White countries for everybody, over time we have fewer and fewer White people. It’s White geNOcide.
Frank Borman was indeed a great American hero, but he never understood the truth of the statement that anti-Racist is a codeword for anti-White.
Does anyone have any more suggestions before I post this? Has anyone here posted a review at amazon.com (or bn.com) containing Mantra ideas? If so, could you provide a link. Thank you.
You can make them a little shorter:
White flight is a codeword for White ethnic cleansing.
White privilege is a codword for White self-determination.
(or White sovereignty, but I like the first better, because the second could be twisted to mean White supremacy.)
Thanks for the replies. Now that I think about it, I’ve been doing it all wrong. I’ve been telling people that African and Asian countries don’t ALLOW massive immigration of other races. But it doesn’t matter whether it’s allowed or not. The fact is, other races are not flooding into African and Asian countries. It doesn’t matter what the reason is; it’s White genocide just the same.
Thank you for all the replies. You all gave me answers to the first question, but what about the second question: Have you ever tried to apply for citizenship to an African country and been denied?
In that case, he’s not really denying that White genocide is happening, but rather implying that we could easily do the same thing to other races (if we weren’t so racist ourselves). How can we take that and bring it back to the topic of White genocide?
The only thing that I could think of, looking at your responses above, is something like, “Don’t be silly, anti-White, We don’t want other races in my OUR countries, and we don’t belong in THEIR countries, either.” Would that be a good response, or can you think of something better?
Well, if he just said, “I’m not anti-racist,” and nothing more, I’d reply, “Good, I’m glad to hear that,” and leave it at that. But he still says that you’re making stuff up and that he’s not anti-White. Perhaps we could have a reliable study on hand to quote, just in case someone ask about that. But I think it’s better to say something like, “When non-Whites pour into White countries and mix with us, in time it will mean the end of our race. The exact year that it happens is not important. If you’re okay with that, then you’re certainly anti-White, regardless of whether you call yourself anti-racist or not.”
All in all, I think it’s good when someone denies that he’s anti-racist, because it means that we’ve put him on the defensive. If he also denies that he’s anti-White, that’s even better.
Actually, the first one is good, but shorten it to “White privilege is a codeword for White self-determination.”
Cleric Preston, I read over your interracial mini-mantras yesterday, and I thought them over for one day before commenting, to make sure that I said exactly what I wanted to say.
There’s one that I think you got wrong, so let me explain my reasoning. The purpose of the mantra is to convince the audience, not insult the race-mixer. In the one where you use the term “fetish,” I have the following three issues:
1. I think that the use of that term may make some members of the audience tune out and not read any further. Not everyone gets raging mad when they see a mixed-race couple. I believe that there are many people who would not see anything wrong with an interracial couple who may still be concerned about White genocide.
2. It undercuts one of our other arguments. If we claim that when two races share the same living space then it is NATURAL that they should mix, how can we claim that people who race-mix are pursuing an UNNATURAL fetish? Those are two contrary positions. To use Beefcake’s example, if we put a lion and a tiger in the same cage and they mate, that is not a fetish; that is natural. There are many high-IQ White men with Asian wives, and they will point that out to us.
3. I’m not even sure that it’s true that interracial couples are pursuing a fetish. I’m no psychologist, but I can think of a number of reasons for it: fetish, sharing living space, alienation, brainwashing, lack of upbringing, simply being fed up with wimpy White males/feminist White females, or any combination of the above. So if a man says, “I don’t have a fetish, I just share my cubicle at work with a cute Asian woman, and we hit it off,” or “I’m sick of feminist White women,” are we going to argue with him? It’s just a distraction from the issue of White genocide.
On the other hand, the one about Yoko Ono and John Lennon you got just perfect. I like it for a number of reasons:
1. It doesn’t insult anyone, so you won’t loose the audience.
2. John Lennon and Yoko Ono are popular cultural icons who are respected across social classes and generations, so it doesn’t make us look like a bunch of rednecks.
3. I can actually imagine it starting discussions among people, since, for example, if White countries and Japan follow the path of genocide, there will be no more John Lennons and no more Yoko Onos.
My only reservation is that, although I am old enough to remember John Lennon, perhaps some younger people may not know who he is. I don’t follow popular culture, but it would have to be someone who is widely respected, not some degenerate wigger.
The one about Snow White and Pocahontas is okay, but it suggests that White people are better, which is a little bit off message. The one about the Australian Aborininal leader is also good.
The important thing in all of these is not whether we like them, but how the audience will react.
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