I try to avoid it; it usually comes up when anti-whites start trying to claim that every race is identical.

That’s getting off base though, especially when they’re still skirting around whether or not they consider genocide acceptable (which is almost always).

I’ll try to be more disciplined, in arguments, at least.

In my college history class, I learned that the national socialists killed ten million people, and that the international socialists killed twenty million people.

The official lesson I was supposed to learn from this – printed in the textbook – is that nationalism is dangerous.

@Dom:

Hmm. I kind of feel you need to go into everything full bore. Liberals love to insinuate things, it’s one of the ways they keep conservatives on their leashes. The mantra doesn’t leave much room to make those kind of insinuations; you’re hitting them too hard and you’re making it clear that you’re not going to mince any words. Liberals have real trouble with people who aren’t scared of their sacred cows.

Remember: anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white. If someone calls you a “racist”, do what Horus does, and reply with “In your opinion I’m a racist; you’re just saying that because I’m white. Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white.” (The early episodes of Follow the White Rabbit have a lot of good debate tactics, actually, as do Horus’ Truck Roy interviews. If you haven’t listened to them, and you have the time, I’d recomend them.)

Attack, attack, attack, we owe nothing to these people. They owe an explanation to US, and we’re going to get it.

Well, those are my thoughts from the United States, using English, and debating people who I don’t have any sort of power-relationship with. If my advice doesn’t sound like it work in your circumstances, you certainly shouldn’t use it…

(By the way, these posts would probably fit better in the “Debate advice and style” section.)

Here’s a random musing:

Let’s say I told a bunch of liberals that I was for keeping abortion legal, but only for black women.

What race would they say I was discriminating against?

Things appeared to be stalling, so I tried something a bit lengthier here ([url]http://m.sodahead.com/united-states/this-why-people-hate-atheists/question-2070679/?page=4#comments[/url]).

“International Law recognizes the existence of race. Most scientists recognize the existence of race, including nearly all forensic investigators, as they can determine a person’s race from a fragment of a skull or the shape of a hair. If Doc J hadn’t blocked me, I would say this to him: PROVE that race doesn’t exist. No, that does not mean getting a quote from some guy who says it doesn’t exist, or playing nonsense games where you pretend that “race” means species.

What it means is that you compile enough data to prove that, in all significant heritable features, each human race is equal. Average IQ is equal between every race. Memory is equal between every race. Every race has the same inherent sense of aesthetics. Every race will form the same type of government under similar circumstances. Every race is inclined towards the same family structure. All of this has to be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Why? Well, for one thing, he needs to have international law overturned, and genocide law stricken from the books, which is going to require a pretty good argument in itself. Furthermore, we have infinitely more margin for error than he does; if we’re wrong, it’ll be revealed in time, and our mistake won’t have permanently harmed the species. In fact, the non-whites could easily be better off, since white “racism” would largely disappear, and non-whites could be assured of their uniformity by their equal and independent accomplishments. If he’s wrong, and actually does exterminate a human race, it would be an unprecedented catastrophe, the kind of disaster that would be remembered for hundreds of years.

The anti-whites never bothered to support their claims before embarking on their plan, so with the recent wave of problems their policies have created, I think it’s about time we ask them to prove the assertions that underlie them.”

No response yet. He blocked me, so for all I know he can’t actually READ it. (Everyone else should be able to though.)

Oh god, the people on sodahead were so dumb. I have never heard “we all bleed red” used in an actual debate until they came along, and said it dozens of times. I almost gnawed off my own hand.

Since they all seem to have the attention span of a gnat, I think if we’re to make any progress there we just need pick out one of the least stupid, and debate him while ignoring everyone else completely.

(I suppose if no one there is capable of going three posts without spamming unfunny demotivators, we could create a “sock puppet” to show them how an intelligent person would ACTUALLY debate the issue. Even controlled by one of us it would be the smartest anti-white there.)