B. U. G. S.

Welcome Larry!

OldBlighty

“I do think LN’s advice is the best so far, as simpler is better:”

“It’s obvious it’s not for YOU”

I have no political background. It even took me around 3-4yrs to get my head around what Bob was really doing with the ‘Genocide’ message. But when we preach on SF we are actually ‘in effect’ trying to sell somthing. And I can at least bring some insight into this situation.

There is a common misconception that the best sales people are those who NEVER give up. The truth is that the best sales people are the ones who know EXACTLY when to give up. Throw it away. And move on to the next lead. They don’t get tied down with Beggers, Idiots, and/or Timewasters!

In this situation saying “It’s not for you” tends to throw people off balance because it’s the last thing they are expecting to hear ‘from the pushy little sales person’. (only include ‘obviose’ if you want to have a dig) It can even be such a powerful takeaway, that some people may end up demanding to know just WHAT is not for them. If that happens then just post them a link to BUGS and tell the to figure it out for themselves 😉

IceKnight

“What actually recruited me to the cause was watching the debates out in the field, seeing the BUGSters winning and then copying the style! I was using the Mantra for many months before officially joining the SWARM.”

Thank you for this. It was nice to read 😉

Anti-Racist is just a code word for Anti-White!

Ooopss! I just started a thread on this same topic:

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First let me say that I was sad to see some of us ending up arguing with some of the folks over at SF. If our way is going to take off, it can only happen out in the big bad world outside of SF. Every time you see a neutral White who would not be seen dead posting on SF using a phrase like ‘Anti-White’ on sites like YT etc…. you are seeing a real victory. And these victories are the only ones that really count, because even if every member of SF joined BUGS in the next 3hrs, it would not really amount to anything if we can’t appeal to the MILLIONS of Whites on the outside.

So now here is how you deal with Pro-Whites who insist on aruing against us and our message:

Just say: ‘It’s obvious it’s not for YOU’. (And then move on)

Let me repeat that:

Just say: ‘It’s obvious it’s not for YOU’. (And then move on)

One more time:

Just say: ‘It’s obvious it’s not for YOU’. (And then move on)
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For the record, post 54 on this link is me making the same mistake: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t851891-6/#post9812110

We really are in serious danger of turning into somekind of cult here folks. And that can never be a good thing. By all means post on SF if you like. I still do. But save the preaching and debating for where it really counts.

Stormfront is not our Battleground!

LN

Mark Muses

Welcome to the SWARM!

“LN-I can sense something going on in my bones. We are seriously building up speed”

I sense it TOO!

Genseric

“White Genocide Denier”

I like that phrase! 😉

@meawhiterabbit

I know it’s not easy to be out gunned and out numbered so I commend your efforts. But judging from the problems you believe you had, I will try to point out where you were going wrong:

1. “On these types of forums you can’t simply get away with using genocide, antiracism is a code word, no one if flooding….. as your only replies. If you do they will scream spam and get you banned”

Ever noticed how many different ways Anti-White can find to say the same thing, and push the same Anti-White agenda? Just use that same trick yourself. Simply use gereral conversation while at the same time, always passively labelling and droping in the words Andti-White and/or Genocide etc…..

2. “Anymore than one person will get flagged as a “sock puppet” so mass swarming doesnt work”

Refer to the answer I gave above to your fist point. The Ani-Whites will either have to back off and let us control the thread, or come out fighting.

3. “They WILL ask for specifics and this can lead you down a path and off point. However i think we need to address their need for specifics and facts. I love the Mantra but i’ll admit if i were sitting on the fence i would need more evidence to tip me over………”

This is just another version of the questioning technique: “He who asks the questions controls the conversation’. It’s exactly what you experienced it to be. It’s just a way to take control of a an opponent during a debate. It is also dealt with by throwing questions back at your opponent who is asking for the “specifics”.

I will give a better example of what I mean when I reply to your next point below:

4. “When we say “All white countries” we will be picked up on this and asked for evidence. I just about managed to cobble together some links. Does anyone have anything better?”

With respect you’re falling into a very basic trap here. This is the same ‘control trick’ the Anti-Whites were using in your point number 3. I guess they must learn it from their mommy professors.

Anyhow. Below is one example of how I would answer that Anti-White:

‘You Anti-Whites can provide all the evidence yourselfs by telling us which European countries you believe have a right to stay White? (Good Luck!)’

I already know what an experianced Anti-Whites reply to the above will be. And I would be happy to take the Anti-White down that road.

5. “I KNOW we must stay on point but a shit sandwich reply like talking point-facts they asked for-talking point is MUCH better than talking point-kinda of fob them off with a talking point-talking point.”

I understand the issue. But I would refer you back to the answer I give to your point number 1.

6. “Sometimes there are posters who aren’t complete antiwhites who are curious and really do want some factual information. Going with the Mantra approach can sometimes be too aggressive for them so i think we need to transition in and out. We don;t want to alienate them and put them on the antiwhites sides.”

Again, I would say if you try what I recommend above you should win over anyone who is White and normal.

7. “Its a house of cards. We need to ensure these threads don;t get deleted and stay up for more people to view yet come in hard on the antiwhties.”

Please don’t think I am just being lazy here, but I think the approach I tried to lay out above covers this point too.

I think you scored some great points against the Anti-Whites while being out numbered in hostile territory. And you deserve a lot of credit for that. But a bit more contempt for these sick idiots along with a lot more awarness of the use of questions, would have helped you no end.

Being aware of the use of, and being able to use, questioning technigues is simply a way to help someone keep control during a debate, and STAY on MESSAGE. However, no one has a monopoly on them. And when you are outnumbered by Anti-Whites who have been using them against us for decades, it’s not always going to be easy.

But if you can spot them being used against you. And are also skilled at countering by using them yourself, you should be able to force a stalemate in the debate. And that stalemate is a position the Anti-Whites can only LOOSE!

LN